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    thomorino
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    Value on Clemson

    I like Clemson at -11.5. 17-20 for the year in CFB, I've ben profitable since week 2 but I started slow.

    Both these teams played weak schedules since the ACC was down this year and Stanford and USC had disappointing seasons, I think Clemson is clearly the better team.

    ND's only impressive win was week 1 against Michigan, but Michigan was bad on the road all year and this game was Patterson's first game since transferring. Notre Dame beat at the time #7 ranked Stanford, but Stanford wasnt' that good this year, and Love was hurt in that game.

    Teams that could throw the ball moved the ball easily on ND - USC, Stanford, Vanderbilt in the second half of that game. Notre Dame played bad quarterbacks all year too, USC was the first good passing offense they faced and USC moved the ball easily on them but kept fumbling.

    Clemson's schedule hasn't been that hard but Clemson has consistently dominated teams like Boston College and NC State. Clemson blew a 4th down play against A&M that could have blown that game open in the first half and A&M has a dual threat QB, Book is nowhere near the runner.

    Clemson's offense should move the ball easily on ND's weak pass defense, Clemson's best talent is at receiver, and ND's pass rush is nothing special. Book is a read option QB, he's not a great pocket passer, and Clemson's mediocre secondary should be fine, Clemson's defensive front is elite and ND will likely struggle to run.

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    tailing this one

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    First, 17-20 is a loser. You are full of excuses, but none are accepted. Second, if JJ is tailing you, you have ZERO chance. He has been, is, and will always be the "il colpo di grazia" ( the kiss of death) if he sides with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigdaddyQH View Post
    First, 17-20 is a loser. You are full of excuses, but none are accepted. Second, if JJ is tailing you, you have ZERO chance. He has been, is, and will always be the "il colpo di grazia" ( the kiss of death) if he sides with you.
    Fuk off

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    value isnt spreads..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigdaddyQH View Post

    ... if JJ is tailing you, you have ZERO chance.


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    did clemson beat one team with a pulse

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWD View Post
    did clemson beat one team with a pulse
    Playing ND is like having a bye to the championship

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booya711 View Post
    Playing ND is like having a bye to the championship
    I said the same thing. It was better to be the 2 seed then the 1, no matter who was chosen for that 4 spot they were going to be better than ND

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booya711 View Post

    Playing ND is like having a bye to the championship

    https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post28227080

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    Clemson's secondary is suspect so laying that points invites a closer game and a back door cover. ND is better than fans think and their DLine can pressure a rookie QB.

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    Book is a very good qb. both dogs cover that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booya711 View Post
    Playing ND is like having a bye to the championship
    not too far removed from few years ago when they went into death valley and outplayed clemson

    dexter williams scary talent since he came back from suspension - im taking points and ML

    time will tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWD View Post
    not too far removed from few years ago when they went into death valley and outplayed clemson

    dexter williams scary talent since he came back from suspension - im taking points and ML

    time will tell
    True...I just know ND didn’t have a difficult schedule either

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    I think ND had a soft schedule but Clemson wasn't much better. Bama has about the easiest road to the championship they could. No Michigan, no Ohio St, no Georgia. I think Bama is going to mop the floor with either team if/when they make it to the final game. They should also handily beat Oklahoma but I actually think that will be the tougher of the two games. As for the main question about Clemson -11.5? Sure, that's the side I'd take if I had to take one but it's not my favorite bet on the board.

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    Clemson is not that good. They’ll struggle with ND and get crushed by Bama.

    They’d prob lose to Oklahoma if things were reversed too

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    Quote Originally Posted by keely85 View Post
    Clemson is not that good. They’ll struggle with ND and get crushed by Bama.

    They’d prob lose to Oklahoma if things were reversed too
    ND needed the refs to beat Pitt at home.. Clemson is going to absolutely wax them.

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    A lot of sharp all over ND

    underrated QB

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    Quote Originally Posted by shocka1212 View Post
    ND needed the refs to beat Pitt at home.. Clemson is going to absolutely wax them.
    And Clemson struggled with a BC team that had a backup who couldn’t and wouldn’t throw the ball. Clemson’s differential against their 2 ranked opponents is like 2.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by keely85 View Post
    And Clemson struggled with a BC team that had a backup who couldn’t and wouldn’t throw the ball. Clemson’s differential against their 2 ranked opponents is like 2.5
    BC had an extra week to prepare I believe.

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    If we're playing that game it also took miracle for clemson to beat syracuse

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    Final is gonna be Oklahoma vs ND ..... just so u all bet wisely

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    Stay away from CLEMSON !! Is ND or WNT .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    I like Clemson at -11.5. 17-20 for the year in CFB, I've ben profitable since week 2 but I started slow.

    Both these teams played weak schedules since the ACC was down this year and Stanford and USC had disappointing seasons, I think Clemson is clearly the better team.

    ND's only impressive win was week 1 against Michigan, but Michigan was bad on the road all year and this game was Patterson's first game since transferring. Notre Dame beat at the time #7 ranked Stanford, but Stanford wasnt' that good this year, and Love was hurt in that game.

    Teams that could throw the ball moved the ball easily on ND - USC, Stanford, Vanderbilt in the second half of that game. Notre Dame played bad quarterbacks all year too, USC was the first good passing offense they faced and USC moved the ball easily on them but kept fumbling.

    Clemson's schedule hasn't been that hard but Clemson has consistently dominated teams like Boston College and NC State. Clemson blew a 4th down play against A&M that could have blown that game open in the first half and A&M has a dual threat QB, Book is nowhere near the runner.

    Clemson's offense should move the ball easily on ND's weak pass defense, Clemson's best talent is at receiver, and ND's pass rush is nothing special. Book is a read option QB, he's not a great pocket passer, and Clemson's mediocre secondary should be fine, Clemson's defensive front is elite and ND will likely struggle to run.
    Wow. Did you watch college football this year?

    Notre Dame has the #4 ranked pass efficiency defense in the country.

    #4.

    https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/40

    I've seen crazy ass shit on this board. But this tops it.

    Notre Dame has 2 NFL DBs. Juilian Love was a finalist for the Thorpe, he'll be a Top 15 corner, and Troy Pride is another.

    Clemson may cover--- but it won't be for any of the f'd up reasons you listed.

    You're the same knucklehead in week 1 who yapped about ND's defense last year--- and picked Michigan, and ranted how good Patterson was going to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quant View Post
    Wow. Did you watch college football this year?

    Notre Dame has the #4 ranked pass efficiency defense in the country.

    #4.

    https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/40

    I've seen crazy ass shit on this board. But this tops it.

    Notre Dame has 2 NFL DBs. Juilian Love was a finalist for the Thorpe, he'll be a Top 15 corner, and Troy Pride is another.

    Clemson may cover--- but it won't be for any of the f'd up reasons you listed.

    You're the same knucklehead in week 1 who yapped about ND's defense last year--- and picked Michigan, and ranted how good Patterson was going to be.
    Yeah dumbasss this is the reason you need to watch the games, every top team in college looks good against garbage quarterbacks.

    By the way, not that I care, I saw your record in beat the prick, you were in nearly last place and down nearly 30 units -shut the fuk up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    Yeah dumbasss this is the reason you need to watch the games, every top team in college looks good against garbage quarterbacks.

    By the way, not that I care, I saw your record in beat the prick, you were in nearly last place and down nearly 30 units -shut the fuk up.
    I think I submitted 3 weeks worth of picks in BTP.

    Only a f'ing nitwit like you would think 15 picks is a sample size.

    Remind us again, how did you end up betting baseball?

    You literally are the dumbest fuking poster on SBR, and you do you know bad you have to be to pull off that distinction?

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    Giving double digits points to ND not a good idea. Irish will get to young qb and he will actually feel heat. Then what? Irish keep it close

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quant View Post
    I think I submitted 3 weeks worth of picks in BTP.

    Only a f'ing nitwit like you would think 15 picks is a sample size.

    Remind us again, how did you end up betting baseball?

    You literally are the dumbest fuking poster on SBR, and you do you know bad you have to be to pull off that distinction?
    Fuk off

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    Not that I care, I've explained many times no one bets as much on reguarl season baseball games as on football - I'm over 57% the last 2 years combined - my football record shits on yours quant twat.

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    Not that I care but your stopped sumbitting picks because you were fuking buried - down 30 units less than half way through the season.

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    17/20, of course you aren't

    go fuk your own asshole pal

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    Thermuflu hang in there kid. Don’t forget winning is the opposite of losing, so buck up and turn that frown upside down and maybe that will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGS 9.5 View Post
    17/20, of course you aren't

    go fuk your own asshole pal
    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    Thermuflu hang in there kid. Don’t forget winning is the opposite of losing, so buck up and turn that frown upside down and maybe that will help.
    Fuk off

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    You never let me down. Thank you, Thermuflu!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    You never let me down. Thank you, Thermuflu!!!
    Fuk off

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