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  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388189

    #1
    Sports betting numbers down in Vegas
    Nearly $6M less wagered on football games this season
    8:56 AM PT
    David Purdum
    ESPN Staff Writer
    People are reportedly watching less football on TV this season. They're betting less on it, too.

    According to Nevada Gaming Control numbers released last week, $308.5 million was wagered on football, both pro and college, in September at the state's regulated sportsbooks. That's a year-over-year decrease of nearly $6 million, despite a similar number of games.

    Overall, the amount bet with Nevada's 190 sportsbooks was down 3.9 percent on all sports in September, year-over-year.

    It's a slight decrease -- but notable after several years of overall growth. For six consecutive years, Nevada's books have enjoyed record handle -- the amount bet -- on all sports. In 2015, $4.2 billion was bet on sports in the state's 190 regulated sportsbooks, which are consolidated among roughly a dozen companies. That's nearly double the amount bet in 2005.

    Last year, record amounts were bet on both basketball ($1.2 billion) and baseball ($897.3 million). Football, however, saw a small decrease. In 2015, $1.6 billion was bet on NFL and college football, down from $1.7 billion in 2014. That trend appears to be continuing this football season, on top of questions about TV ratings.

    "It has been a little bit of an off year," MGM vice president of race and sports Jay Rood said. "Not bad, but not double-digit growth like we've been used to the last few years."

    Football remains king, though. An hour before Game 5 of the World Series between the Chicago Cubs and Cleveland Indians began, more bets had been placed on just the Dallas Cowboys in their night game against the Philadelphia Eagles than had been placed on both teams in the World Series at Caesars sportsbooks.

    Nevada Gaming Control does not track the betting on the NFL and NCAA football separately, but Rood said the action on the NFL has seen a much sharper decrease than on college football. As of last week, Rood said his NFL handle was down around 8 percent year over year, compared to just a 2 percent on college football. The MGM is one of the largest sportsbook operators in Nevada. Caesars said its handle was down nearly 5 percent in September.

    "[I] attribute a small portion of that to the quality of the prime-time matchups, especially Thursday and Sunday night games," said Bill Sattler, director of specialty games at Caesars Entertainment.

    The dip in handle has not impacted the books' success rate, though. They won $36.9 million on football in September, making it the fourth-most profitable football month ever for the house. The books held a whopping 11.94 percent of the money wagered on football in September. Over the past five years, the hold percentage on football has ranged from 3.3 percent to 6.50 percent. September, the first full month of the regular season, normally has a higher-than-normal hold percentage, but this September was exceptionally high.

    In fact, the books may have done a little too well in September, leading to the decrease in handle.

    "The books really did well this September, which really affects the rollover," said Jay Kornegay, vice president of race and sports at the Westgate SuperBook. "You're always going to have less handle."

    Kornegay added that football handle is at the SuperBook, noting this is the first football season they've offered mobile sports betting.
  • Sam Odom
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-30-05
    • 58063

    #2
    jj , do a video from Jerry's Nugget about MNF


    see if #s are down
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388189

      #3
      Sammy NO

      Going to Smith's..got coupons for STEAKS
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      • CWD
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 01-22-12
        • 7667

        #4
        espn and gaming control have no reason to lie
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        • grease lightnin
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 10-01-12
          • 16015

          #5
          Down 1.9%... negligible
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          • DiggityDaggityDo
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 11-30-08
            • 81454

            #6
            Obama's fault
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            • PorkChop
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 09-18-08
              • 8193

              #7
              Originally posted by jjgold
              Sammy NO

              Going to Smith's..got coupons for STEAKS

              Chicken thighs on sale there pal, went yesterday but had to use the bathroom bad so I left
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              • jjgold
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-20-05
                • 388189

                #8
                Porkers your broke man
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                • Sam Odom
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-30-05
                  • 58063

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jjgold
                  Sammy NO

                  Going to Smith's..got coupons for STEAKS


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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388189

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sam Odom
                    sammy that looks pretty good

                    Betting down in general because people have less money real simple
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                    • trillz
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-02-16
                      • 1668

                      #11
                      JJ u in Florida? Some prick walked in to chipotle wearing a packers shirt and a cheesehead couldve passed for your brother
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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388189

                        #12
                        No in Vegas
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                        • turkkatarian
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-12-16
                          • 2748

                          #13
                          Economy sucks for 95% of the country unless of course you ask the Crooked Hillary people
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                          • Ralphie Halves
                            SBR MVP
                            • 12-13-09
                            • 4507

                            #14
                            Did anyone read the last half of the original post?

                            Misleading headline, again.
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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388189

                              #15
                              Economy is only good for the upper middle-class and Rich


                              Originally posted by turkkatarian
                              Economy sucks for 95% of the country unless of course you ask the Crooked Hillary people
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                              • KVB
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 05-29-14
                                • 74817

                                #16


                                This is pretty much a non story. They offer plenty of explanations.

                                One of the best months ever for house, according to those numbers.

                                And what about counting the app users? Is gaming control counting those? Counting some, not others?

                                Like Ralphie said, misleading headline, again.

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                                • Mac4Lyfe
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 01-04-09
                                  • 48363

                                  #17
                                  I said several years ago in these forums that football was entering dangerous territories with their bullshit policies, thinking they can do no wrong and didn't care about improving the game. The enormous amount of penalties and the total control/power that refs have ruined the game. Every fukkin play is paused to see what the refs are going to call. Run a play, look to the zebras to see if there's a flag, throw a pass and players are lobbying refs to throw a PI. It's fukkin pathetic. The game is no longer football. It has become watch for a flag after every damn play.

                                  Cubs/Indians drew a higher TV audience than Sunday night football... This is only going to get worst for football.
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                                  • jjgold
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-20-05
                                    • 388189

                                    #18
                                    Vegas also just copies numbers offshore so that hurts
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                                    • htrain34
                                      SBR Rookie
                                      • 05-12-16
                                      • 4

                                      #19
                                      That's because CGT and William Hill are 86'ing sharps. Volume may be down but the house is cleaning up. You have to bet smart out here and keep a low profile.
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                                      • jjgold
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 07-20-05
                                        • 388189

                                        #20
                                        Tough to keep a low profile unless you're betting a small amount of money at these books
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                                        • KVB
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 05-29-14
                                          • 74817

                                          #21
                                          William Hill not as friendly as I figured they were going to be when they first came to Nevada. Can't drop shit there. Too bad the live lines have those low limits, but I understand why.

                                          Be patient and spread the best bets all around. You can get quite a bit down that way.

                                          Float like a butterfly then sting like a bee if the heat is on. Then be patient, again with that word patient, before hitting again. Just as well, the best bets take time to develop anyway.

                                          I've been posting plays from an account I control in the FlyMe thread. That account will grow, it's already hit a 24 unit winner in golf, but the ways it grows will show how to do it a bit under the radar. (Like a couple of golf bets) Limits are always an issue and, sure, the party will end one day, but it should last for a while.

                                          In all cases resist the temptation to hit limits constantly. Once again, be patient and move when the time is right.

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                                          • KVB
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 05-29-14
                                            • 74817

                                            #22
                                            Here's another thought. Just like it is wise to have multiple outs (and there are plenty in Vegas), it's not a bad idea to have outs for your outs. It's helpful to have multiple ways to attack each out (even online); but it is best to avoid using all attacks at the same time in the same out...especially online.

                                            Rotating them in a place like Vegas leads to longevity. Online, they will likely all eventually get burnt.

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                                            • xKMACKx
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 11-16-08
                                              • 1274

                                              #23
                                              "They won $36.9 million on football in September, making it the fourth-most profitable football month ever for the house."

                                              "In fact, the books may have done a little too well in September, leading to the decrease in handle."

                                              Misleading headline. Most writers couldn't pass an intro to critical thinking class.
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                                              • Reload
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 03-23-08
                                                • 12244

                                                #24
                                                Everyone barreled in. Looking for personal loans to get out.
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                                                • jjgold
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 07-20-05
                                                  • 388189

                                                  #25
                                                  Good point bettors got barreled in

                                                  Originally posted by xKMACKx
                                                  "They won $36.9 million on football in September, making it the fourth-most profitable football month ever for the house."

                                                  "In fact, the books may have done a little too well in September, leading to the decrease in handle."

                                                  Misleading headline. Most writers couldn't pass an intro to critical thinking class.
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