[pabonaparte]

I started with sports betting last year mainly with online bookies. My idea was to have a little fun and enjoy the games and races a little more when I get to watch with my better half. But having lurked on a number of sports forums I noticed there is a number of posters who seem to know so much more than your average John Smith. Including me lol


My ambition now is to spend some months trying to see if I have got the smarts to actually earn a few quid doing this handicapping thing. I am a level-headed person. I'm not going to fool myself and try to 'get smart' overnight. I plan to still wager very small stakes all of 2016 but also start a spreadsheet listing them all and also keep notes and treat this hobby a little more like a second job.


So much for the preview lol


My question is about a horse betting man named Kevin Booth and his service named Isiris. There is forum thread on a British forum with a back-and-forth discussion of Mr. Booth and his talents. Some say he has won each of '20 years in the business' and some refer google search results where Isiris are accused of false advertising and exaggerating profits in attempt to lure subs. Mind-boggling stuff really.


Whilst I'm not in a position and won't be for years to be able to afford his subscription I am very curious to ask more seasoned punters this question.


Assume I have savings of £40000 sitting in the bank for bankroll purposes. My goal is to try and grow it by 10 per cent per annum. I know very little about horses or other gambling markets really but I have now more time to really start learning.


SHOULD I CONSIDER SPENDING ON A SUBSCRIPTION WITH A SERVICE CHARGING UPWARDS OF £2000 PER ANNUM OR DO YOU RECOMMEND HOLDING ON TO MY MONEY AND LEARNING THE ROPES AND NOT BETTING ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT UNTIL I UNDERSTAND THE HANDICAPPING SIDE BETTER?


I am quite confident about my ability to do work consistently as I have all my life. I can be very disciplined when I care. But is worth ethics multiplied by many years really enough to succeed in betting UNLESS you pay for expert advice?


My worry is that only a very small number of punters manage to win enough to live on. Also it seems as only a portion of all paying subscribers to a service can replicate the profit the service usually advertises due to shifting prices. And whilst I don't need to win nearly enough to pay the bills I would certainly like some feedback on what my expectations should be for my first few seasons of 'serious wagering'.


Thanks and happy punting!

[balls2wall]

Everyone is going to tell you not to pay for a service and learn to do it on your own.

Do it because you enjoy it and don't expect to make a fortune off of it

[matrix1022]

Very interesting , wow you definitely put some thought into this which is respected my me and probably many others . I'm a poker player for years and sports betting player when the choice comes in my favor . I lived in pa and moved to Vegas last year and been here for a while and doing well because I'm very patient . I have done well in cards and since I'm out here . I have learned from many sports bettor and now a few close friends I see everyday passing threw the casinos I play at . Patience again patience. Is what I see all the time from sport bettors . There's young guys like myself betting maybe 2 to 4 plays a month at large amounts and they do well . Yes I love my cards . So yes if you ho in this direction of yours , take in all the knowledge you can. Be a great listener And take your time . Good day , it's time for me to work out thanks for your read .

[pabonaparte]

Everyone is going to tell you not to pay for a service and learn to do it on your own.

Do it because you enjoy it and don't expect to make a fortune off of it

Thank you for replying balls2wall!

Low expectations. This is great advice and just what I would expect from a seasoned punter. Would you say most success stories of bettors doing well and being able to change lifestyle and retire due to £££ from a service are nothing but an old marketing ploy? I have emailed several betting services and each one seems to emphasize the importance of following all of their tips at specified stakes and repeat that it is hard to keep a good man down and even if they might have a poor season this year they will surely make it back next season and then some.

My issue is this market must be very competitive. If a service has had an edge in the past few seasons you may just be joining at the worst possible time. Just as they are losing or have lost their competitive advantage after the bookies adjusted. The thought of signing up for a tipster for a season and seeing him perform poorly is very unsettling. For some reason my correspondence with these folks reminds me of lines from a travelling salesman's pitch. Follow me and me only and don't get creative with your own selections or else I can take no responsibility for what might happen to your bankroll.

I'm not sure I am prepared to depend on both the way sports teams perform and my paid tipster performs. Seems like too many variables and a decent chance to lose quite a bit of hard-earned cash.

[balls2wall]

I think you summed it up pretty well in your last post and answered your own question.

Use that $$ you would have spent for tipsters as $$ to purchase products to help you handicap (or extra wagering $$)

I've never paid for picks and can't recommend it to anyone else, mainly for the reasons you stated above.

[balls2wall]

and yes, stories of people getting rich and retiring from these paid picks are purely marketing (false advertising)

[jjgold]

another tout

lol

[Bostongambler]

Flip a coin Papelbon. You will be better off.

[tomallen123]

Isiris is a scam, I wouldnt waste £20 on it nvm £2000

[jjgold]

They are all scams

Lol

Omg some people suckers

[gauchojake]

betting horses is easy. buy the pps and handicap yourself

[pabonaparte]

and yes, stories of people getting rich and retiring from these paid picks are purely marketing (false advertising)

I reckon the only people retiring here would be the folks selling the picks. Even if they never take any of the wagers they recommend. It makes me wonder if this could be illegal in some jurisdictions. Claim you are the greatest betting mind that ever lived but make your income from subscribers and never punt for yourself.

[pabonaparte]

Isiris is a scam, I wouldnt waste £20 on it nvm £2000

Thank you for replying, tomallen123!

I am sure I would pay £20 just on principle alone. As would many others. If you speak from experience and wouldn't mind sharing more could you please post or send me a Message Me note?

[pabonaparte]

They are all scams

Lol

Omg some people suckers

Thanks for replying, jjgold!

I am aware of several services that are truly disliked by their disgruntled clients. Have you personally used any 'touts'?

On another note that is quite a buddy icon. Are these only available to Moderators?

[Jayvegas420]

Bonaparte. Are there any other tout services you would recommend?

[The Kraken]

Touts dont go tout because they're winning, they go tout because they are losers, literally and figuratively

Its the only way they can bring in money, most dont even bet

[pabonaparte]

Bonaparte. Are there any other tout services you would recommend?

Jayvegas420, I can't be certain if you are serious? I state quite clearly in the original message that I am new at this. The reason I posted is I hope to hear from folks who have hands on experience with tipping services. I wouldn't recommend any service on a public forum unless I had used them for quite a while and the experience was very positive.

I am starting to think I asked at the wrong forum and some posters suspect I am trying to advertise the specific service I made inquiry about. The reason we are having this discussion is I was naive enough to believe a very positive review on another sports betting forum. Believe or at least give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm not quite certain how this could be misunderstood?

[The Kraken]

Pab, this is the right forum, please don't misinterpet the responses, they are quite concise and accurate. You won't find many other forums with as many experienced bettors as SBR has in the stable

Pab, what is one betting unit for you?

[pabonaparte]

Pab, this is the right forum, please don't misinterpet the responses, they are quite concise and accurate. You won't find many other forums with as many experienced bettors as SBR has in the stable

Pab, what is one betting unit for you?

Thanks for the words of encouragement, The Kraken! I will be certain to have low expectations but yet appreciate every bit of information posters may share.

I have wagered the very minimum the bookies allow for some months back in 2015. That's pennies. I have at least two good pals who need help because they are clearly addicted to wagering and video poker so keeping this in mind I would like to spend a good long while before upping the amounts and possibly having an adrenaline rush because of a wager hanging in the balance lol

In other words I wager a lot less than I can afford to.

[Jayvegas420]

Who we on tomorrow?

[d2bets]

They are an ir away from ISIS.

[Jayvegas420]

And they still probably pay faster than unibet

[Biff41]

The para mutuals take a 20% vig last I heard. Why waste time unless you enjoy the hobby.

[pabonaparte]

Not to beat a dead horse but I can now receive private messages! Thank you all for your feedback it is much appreciated.

[Jayvegas420]

[Martinr]

If you follow sports and horse racing you'll probably get more enjoyment out of the betting side of it by doing your own handicapping. The money you're considering spending on touts and tipster services might be better spent on subscriptions to a number of the good data bases that are available. There are subscription based data bases for individual sports such as tennis, football (soccer), and horse racing, all of which will let you do indepth research to look for an edge. It's a lot of work, but if you enjoy it it's not hard work.
In saying that, some people who are also sport fans just don't have the time to search for an edge, and some do pay for tipsters (after due dilligence) and do ok. If you google daily25 you will find the blog of someone who does exactly that, and there are others. The tipster industry is so full of shady operations that you need to thoroughly research any service you're considering. I have no idea what percentage are genuine and profitable, but from what is said here and elsewhere it's probably less than 10%.
Markets adjust, too, and a profitable tipster or method the last 5 years straight won't be profitable the next 5 years unless they are able to adapt to the changes.

Once you get into it you'll learn bankroll management, and the issue of being limited by bookmakers and getting good sized bets down, but if you're not in the US you'll have access to more outs and the exchanges.

[jjgold]

touts and tipsters ALL LOSERS

They do not bet game over

[Jayvegas420]

Touts bet under?

[pabonaparte]

Thank you so much Martinr! I reserve the right to pick your brain some more lol

Just two questions for now. Are you from down under and are you able to use Pinnacle or 5Dimes with no hassle? And do you mind if I send you a PM?