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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnivore View Post
    It was "HELL NO". Throwing losing money at a number still makes it a losing bet. And that is not smart money, it's dumb money.
    How about +8000000000? Still a bad bet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    How about +8000000000? Still a bad bet?
    No.

    I think you're missing the point about risk aversion and probabilities.

    I've answered your question, would you please answer mine.

    If I took 800 dollars cash and set it on fire, burning it to ashes, would you consider that a solid investment strategy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnivore View Post
    No.

    I think you're missing the point about risk aversion and probabilities.

    I've answered your question, would you please answer mine.

    If I took 800 dollars cash and set it on fire, burning it to ashes, would you consider that a solid investment strategy?
    OK, so we've established that you believe that So Miss can be a good bet, with odds somewhere between 80-1 and 80,000,000 to 1. But if it's a "losing bet" then why is it even a worthy bet at 80 million to 1? It's still a loser.

    Answer: because you don't know that it's a loser. You think it is. And clearly the probability is that it is. But you don't know that, I don't know that, FH doesn't know that. We just disagree over what that probability is. Why should I believe that your probably estimated is better than Fishhead's?

    Burning 800 dollars as an investment strategy? I guess if your desired result was ashed. Not sure what that has to do with anything. You don't know that So Miss is going to lose. They probably will, but you don't know that will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    OK, so we've established that you believe that So Miss can be a good bet, with odds somewhere between 80-1 and 80,000,000 to 1. But if it's a "losing bet" then why is it even a worthy bet at 80 million to 1? It's still a loser.

    Answer: because you don't know that it's a loser. You think it is. And clearly the probability is that it is. But you don't know that, I don't know that, FH doesn't know that. We just disagree over what that probability is. Why should I believe that your probably estimated is better than Fishhead's?

    Burning 800 dollars as an investment strategy? I guess if your desired result was ashed. Not sure what that has to do with anything. You don't know that So Miss is going to lose. They probably will, but you don't know that will happen.
    You misunderstood me. I said it was not a good bet even at the insane odds you posted.

    Again, and I will hammer this home until you get it.

    Those three words you typed, "they probably will", are the reason it is a dumb bet. If your goal is to add money to your bankroll, reduce as much risk as possible (risk aversion), then making a +800 ML bet is not the smartest of moves.

    Southern Miss will lose. Make no mistake about that. And Fish will have 800 fewer dollars to call his own.

    And, it could have been avoided had he simply had a better understanding when to avoid silly risk.

    Fish will do one of two things.

    1. He will come back to this thread and tell us about the scalp that allowed him to make a "small profit".

    2. He'll lose (a certainty) but still insist it was a "sharp" bet.

    Just watch. The script is as obvious as the sun rising.

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    ......and all the while I'm a professional gambler of 20 years and you're a fictional character on a forum that has no merit, but still proceeds to ramble on about nothing worthy or accurate.

    ......jeolousy reeks in some.


    The -800 still there at CRIS, what a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    ......and all the while I'm a professional gambler of 20 years and you're a fictional character on a forum that has no merit, but still proceeds to ramble on about nothing worthy or accurate.

    ......jeolousy reeks in some.


    The -800 still there at CRIS, what a surprise.

    ......a couple other offshore shops at a mere -730


    Ante up, we're all waiting with tremendous anticipation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnivore View Post
    That is a horrible horrible horrible bet.
    Careful son, not everyone can say that here

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    1st half prob a better bet, I watched Old Dominion's last game, tough game on the road against La. Tech, Tech sucks cant really score against decent defense, Old D. won close game but they were in control and ahead the whole game. 2nd road game so 1st half prob a better bet, either way good luck.

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    Great bet.....on it.....thanks Fishhead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnivore View Post
    You misunderstood me. I said it was not a good bet even at the insane odds you posted.

    Again, and I will hammer this home until you get it.

    Those three words you typed, "they probably will", are the reason it is a dumb bet. If your goal is to add money to your bankroll, reduce as much risk as possible (risk aversion), then making a +800 ML bet is not the smartest of moves.

    Southern Miss will lose. Make no mistake about that. And Fish will have 800 fewer dollars to call his own.

    And, it could have been avoided had he simply had a better understanding when to avoid silly risk.

    Fish will do one of two things.

    1. He will come back to this thread and tell us about the scalp that allowed him to make a "small profit".

    2. He'll lose (a certainty) but still insist it was a "sharp" bet.

    Just watch. The script is as obvious as the sun rising.
    Utterly wrong. Nothing wrong with risk if it's a risk worth taking. Probably lose does not make it a bad bet. Let's say that "probably is 80%. If you make this bet 100 times at $100 each, you will lose 80 times and win 20. Bad, right? No. Very good.

    20 times you'll win $800. 80 times you'll lose $100. You've won $16,000 and lost $8,000 for an $8,000 profit. $8,000 profit on $10,000 wagered. Not bad. Even though you were "probably" going to lose each time.

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    is lopez playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Utterly wrong. Nothing wrong with risk if it's a risk worth taking. Probably lose does not make it a bad bet. Let's say that "probably is 80%. If you make this bet 100 times at $100 each, you will lose 80 times and win 20. Bad, right? No. Very good.

    20 times you'll win $800. 80 times you'll lose $100. You've won $16,000 and lost $8,000 for an $8,000 profit. $8,000 profit on $10,000 wagered. Not bad. Even though you were "probably" going to lose each time.
    And where the hell are you are you getting this 80-20?

    You're making it up out of thin air.

    Easy to make a point when you are just creating shit out of thin air.

    Let me try that.

    The truth is-- as far as you know-- Southern Miss wins this game 2 times out of 100.

    So you have 98 losses x 800 bucks--- 78400 in losses.

    2 wins at +800 gives you 12800.

    Congrats you've lose 65,600.

    That is not very smart.

    Now, the real numbers.

    A ML of +800 has a winning probability of 11%.

    If Fish makes this bet 100 times----

    89 x 800 = 71200

    11 x 6400 =70400

    He still loses 800 bucks.

    Not a good bet.
    Last edited by Carnivore; 01-09-16 at 05:06 PM.

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    Southern Miss leads 34-31 at the half.

    Where is carnivore?

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    Deciding if I'm gonna middle or not

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    Carnivore, u stupid piece of shit, where u at

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    He will be back with a new name

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    Best part is he's talking about fishhead for "years" but his account was made a couple weeks ago

    Ghost alert

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    Oh snap.

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    FINAL:
    Southern Miss.....73
    Old Dominion.......71

    Odds that 'carnivore' posts again in this thread:
    Yes +1200
    No -2000

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    Fuk!!!!!!

    Fisher just shut everyone up for the next month

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnivore View Post
    It will lose.

    Guaranteed.

    The bet is a loser.


    Just like Fish.

    There is no "value" in it, it is not a "sharp" bet. It is a losing bet. You are pissing away money betting on Southern Miss ML.

    Light your cash on fire if you bet Southern Miss on the ML.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnivore View Post
    Neither.

    Bottom line, at the end of tonight... Fishhead's $800 on Southern Miss will lose.

    And that is a fact. And he will never return to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    ...........only have $800 on the ML

    $2180 Spread


    The ML bet was made in Vegas

    Very good night, not great, but very good!!




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    Fishguy with a sharp play.

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    Well last we will hear from carnivore..thanks for side and +680 moneyline here..well done

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcdonae101 View Post
    Carnivore, u stupid piece of shit, where u at



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    Well done, sirrrrrrrrrr

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    Good call fish. Had spread, couldn't pull trigger on ml

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    Carnivore works for SBR:

    Yes -160
    No +140

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    Thx

    .....can see a few were able to profit along with me, great!






    Heckuva game

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    FINAL:
    Southern Miss.....73
    Old Dominion.......71

    Odds that 'carnivore' posts again in this thread:
    Yes +1200
    No -2000

    The NO gets the cheese, cash those tickets!!!

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    Bump for poster pimike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    Bump for poster pimike
    Thanks Fish, I did miss it.

    I do like the golie match up. I also like Montreal has ended there 3 game win streak. I'll tail don't mess me up.

    I know you hang out at South Point and sure we've seen each other without knowing the other.

    Lol

    Let's cash I'm tailing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimike View Post
    Thanks Fish, I did miss it.

    I do like the golie match up. I also like Montreal has ended there 3 game win streak. I'll tail don't mess me up.

    I know you hang out at South Point and sure we've seen each other without knowing the other.

    Lol

    Let's cash I'm tailing.
    Nice!

    Dont frequent there as much as in the past......

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