[Dujkan]

(situation is theoretical)
I place bet 2 days before a game.
I go away, from pc, swiming, clubbing.
I see my team has won.
I open bookie, and see my bet is voided 1 day before event.
Can they do that?
Would my complain be taken seriously, and can I win such case?
(my argument is that bet was placed at correct odds at given time, lets say 2.00. By tommorow, price change to 1.5 for my team to win, bookie see that, and voids my game. If odds changed to 3.00, bet would stay).
If they send me e_mail, am I obligated to see that? I mean, I am out, I am swiming, I dont look at my e_mail.

[SBR Genie]

Feel free to fill out our complaint form, http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/ and discuss the matter sir.

[Optional]

(situation is theoretical)
I place bet 2 days before a game.
I go away, from pc, swiming, clubbing.
I see my team has won.
I open bookie, and see my bet is voided 1 day before event.
Can they do that?
Would my complain be taken seriously, and can I win such case?
(my argument is that bet was placed at correct odds at given time, lets say 2.00. By tommorow, price change to 1.5 for my team to win, bookie see that, and voids my game. If odds changed to 3.00, bet would stay).
If they send me e_mail, am I obligated to see that? I mean, I am out, I am swiming, I dont look at my e_mail.

What reason did they give for voiding?

In general they can cancel any bet they consider to be an error.

And doing it 24 hours ahead of the event and sending an email to advise you is reasonable on their part.

[shaunovery]

What reason did they give for voiding?

In general they can cancel any bet they consider to be an error.

And doing it 24 hours ahead of the event and sending an email to advise you is reasonable on their part.

Don't think this happened as in his top line he says (theoretically)

[Optional]

Don't think this happened as in his top line he says (theoretically)

He can make up a hypothetical one then I guess.

He already said it wasn't for bad odds. Had to be for some reason to be done 24 hours out.

[Optional]

@Dujkan are you an arber concerned that books might cancel some of your bets only, to mess with your arbs?

[Dujkan]

Am I arbing or not, that is not the question, some people read news to give them edge, some people watch facebook page of team, or twiter. Some people are better with math than a bookie. To be something considered an arb, you need to cover other side of the bet, and does that realy matter when booke void your bet? Can they realy use argument: ,,oh, you cover other side of the bet with another bookie on another continet, so we dont have to honor your bet''.

If one (or 3) bookies offer 2.05 on one event, and another 2-3 bookies offer 2.05 odds that such event wont happen, that cant be called pallable error, that is just difrent opinion between the books. No ove can be 100% sure in his odds, because if he would, he would run bookie that offers 1.999, and 1.999 odds on some event, and close all other bookies because of best odds. I mean, if some bookie can just void bet, then an 8th year old could run bookie, he could just void the bets that are going to lose over long run.

My questio is theoretical, if I have proof that my bet was at corret price, less than 5-10% above market avreage, so is not palp, but diferent opinion among the bookies, can bookie void such bet, and can I win the complain?

Voiding bet 24 hours bet before the event is not ok in my opinion, as I sad, if bet change to 3.00 from 2.00, bookie vould let your bet stay. If odds change to 1.5, bookie would void bet. And that is not fair trade.

Imagine if you could bet 2 days before event, and tomorow yuo see odds changed from 2.00 to 3.00...and you call bookie, and ask can you void your bet, just so can be placed at 3.00, if bookie lets you do that, than is ok to void, if not, than its not ok to void bet, because as I sad, such book can be run by 8th years old and still make profit.

[Dujkan]

If that is fair game, can someone tell me where can I get licence to open such book. I mean, I would let bets be placed, and then void bets that I cant cover on betfair, or some another exchange before the event starts.

[Optional]

Defensive much??


I was asking because if so I was going to mention that this can happen to arbers who use soft books in unregulated jurisdictions. Is it fair? Of course not.

[Optional]

My questio is theoretical, if I have proof that my bet was at corret price, less than 5-10% above market avreage, so is not palp, but diferent opinion among the bookies, can bookie void such bet, and can I win the complain?

Maybe. It depends on the reason for the void.

If it was not due to an odds error it could have been due to a listing error.

Your hypothetical has too many unanswered issues to give you an exact answer.

But if you are arbing and using low rated books you can expect them to pull all sorts of tricks to 'interrupt' you if they suspect you.

[Dujkan]

@Dujkan are you an arber concerned that books might cancel some of your bets only, to mess with your arbs?

It does not matter if someone arbs or not. Can you imagine in poker that some person voids your hand just because it had good EV. If such action repeatedly happens over time, you are going to lose a lot of money, and your bankroll will not grow, and it does not matter if you arb or not. Regular gambler will lose money if bookie voids its bets.

[Dujkan]

Maybe. It depends on the reason for the void.

If it was not due to an odds error it could have been due to a listing error.

Your hypothetical has too many unanswered issues to give you an exact answer.

But if you are arbing and using low rated books you can expect them to pull all sorts of tricks to 'interrupt' you if they suspect you.

What is diference between odds error and listing error?

[Optional]

I didn't say it should matter how you bet Dujkan.

But that doesn't change the fact it does matter and these type of costly bet voids can happen.

If you want to arb you will just need to learn how to avoid these problems as best you can.

[Dujkan]

But if you are arbing and using low rated books you can expect them to pull all sorts of tricks to 'interrupt' you if they suspect you.

I know some bookies will try to interrupt me, but I am asking can they do that and win their argument here? (ofc in some situation they can, but If I have proof that my bet was at correct price at given time, then there is no reason for my bet to be voided, and such action should make such book lose its rating here.

[Dujkan]

I didn't say it should matter how you bet Dujkan.

But that doesn't change the fact it does matter and these type of costly bet voids can happen.

If you want to arb you will just need to learn how to avoid these problems as best you can.

I am doing that right now, I am just looking can they do such actions and keep positive grade at this site

[Optional]

What is diference between odds error and listing error?

In your example you said the book cancelled 1 day before match and sent an email.

That sounds like a situation where the book would have found an error with their listing like home/away teams reversed or wrong pitcher nominated. Which is not uncommon.

If a dodgy book suspects you are arbing and want to mess with you they will normally cancel the bet soon before or after the game start and not email.

If that happens and it's not an obvious error that causes them to cancel the entire market, then you have good grounds for a complaint.

[Optional]

I know some bookies will try to interrupt me, but I am asking can they do that and win their argument here? (ofc in some situation they can, but If I have proof that my bet was at correct price at given time, then there is no reason for my bet to be voided, and such action should make such book lose its rating here.

Obviously SBR would support and argue for you in this situation. But the bookies that do this mostly don't care. Try to use C rated and above books if you can. http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbooks/

I am doing that right now, I am just looking can they do such actions and keep positive grade at this site

There are a bunch of posters who arb here. Ask some more questions!

And no, books get their ratings reviewed based on complaints so they could not do that too often without a response.

[Dujkan]

Thank you for your help Optional, it made some things more clear to me. I would like to see more people opinions on this thread.