For the Royal Bashers

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 02:40 PM

indicating that said rumors may have been fueled by a couple of recently dismissed middle managers.

interesting

**natrass** · 12-02-05, 03:21 PM

What is suspicious :

1. Why can't they issue checks?? What can possibly stop a company writing out cheques. That Id like to know.

2. It is going to take them until next year before they can reveal ownership. I could accept a 'no we won't' for a given reason maybe but a 'yes we will' but not for a month is very weird.

The big question really is : why is it just betroyal?

All other fiems have line managers, personnel leaving, etc etc. But for years its always betroyal who is being embarrassed.

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 03:40 PM

There are lots of ghost posters that bash Royal. If Royal sneezes it makes the headline news. When another book slow pays or has it's Neteller dry many times it's swept under the rug.

**tacomax** · 12-02-05, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

interesting

What's interesting? The fact that the rumours may have been fueled by a couple of recently dismissed middle managers. I could give a hundred reasons which may be true.

What I find more interesting is that the same people on the same forums who preach about how fantastic Royal is and what good payers they are. It's almost as if they're paid to say it.

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 03:55 PM

taco- Have you had any dealings with Royal? One of the mods here at SBR still plays with Royal. That says a lot more about Royal than your misguided opinions.

**SBR_John** · 12-02-05, 04:07 PM

your misguided opinions.

Raiders are you on the take too or just sucking up? Do you know who owns Royal and the history of stiffs, slow pays and threats to players, watchdogs and his own employees?

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 04:14 PM

John- I've posted many things about Royal both positive and negative. One question, can you tell me why Lakerfan plays at Royal?

**tacomax** · 12-02-05, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

taco- Have you had any dealings with Royal?

No, I've never played at Royal. However, I do know people that were screwed when Tej ran off with the balances of a large number of casino players. It's things like that which tend to put me off a book.

Originally posted by raiders72001

One of the mods here at SBR still plays with Royal. That says a lot more about Royal than your misguided opinions.

What has that got to do with anything? If Bill Dozer smoked 20 Marlboro a day would you spin that into meaning that smoking was good for your health?

I'm sure that even you will realise that an SBR mod has a better chance of being paid by the Royal than any other random punter purely because they are part of the "forum scene".

All I will say is that people who constantly bleat on about how great Royal is - and ignore all negative news - do this for a reason and one reason only.

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 04:37 PM

Lakerfan is one of the sharper posters on this board. I assume that he has many outs and if he's playing at Royal there's a reason.

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 04:39 PM

No, I've never played at Royal. However, I do know people that were screwed

**JoshW** · 12-02-05, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

John- I've posted many things about Royal both positive and negative. One question, can you tell me why Lakerfan plays at Royal?

Raiders, I thought you had a little discretion. You like your business in the forums? Should we just post freely anything we know about any player when it suits us?

Second, how do you know I play at Royal? Certainly didn't come from me or anyone I share information with so sounds like books are releases players information and you are just fine posting to the world about it, beautiful.

Third, assuming I do play at Royal am not sure it is anyone's business at this point. I am actively funded at over 30 sportsbooks and some of them are questionable and I state what I think about them either way and I help players collect from them too.

Finally, am glad TOW thinks Royal is in good shape as it means players have better chance of getting paid. I still wouldn't recommend them to anyone, and ownership certainly remains a KEY issue.

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 04:48 PM

Lakerfan- What are you talking about. You posted that you play at Royal. I NEVER divulge private information.

**tacomax** · 12-02-05, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

raiders - if you're going to quote me then quote the full sentence and let me know what you're having trouble understanding.

No, I've never played at Royal. However, I do know people that were screwed when Tej ran off with the balances of a large number of casino players. It's things like that which tend to put me off a book.

If you're having trouble following the above then I'll explain. Tej stole the balances of a large number of casino players in one of his previous scams. I personally know some of those people. I'm not going to deposit at a place whose owner has a history of stealing player balances.

Do you understand now?

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 04:50 PM

Lakerfan

Royal has paid me quickly with Neteller, but I had periods over the last year were I had to go to the forums several times in order to get Royal to pay me.

Now tell me what I said that you haven't already posted?

All the information that I posted on you comes from posts that you made publicly. If you question any of that tell me which of my statement it is and I'll get your quote.

**JoshW** · 12-02-05, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Lakerfan- What are you talking about. You posted that you play at Royal. I NEVER divulge private information.

Cool, this summer I posted that I didn't plan to play with them again. So maybe you are quoting from before then and my slow pays with them were certainly documented at OGD on the subject.

**JoshW** · 12-02-05, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Lakerfan

Now tell me what I said that you haven't already posted?

I was referring to all the time I played with them. They paid quicker via Neteller than they did with check. Was just speaking generally. Sorry to go off.

**SBR_John** · 12-02-05, 04:57 PM

Raiders you and Drunk coming running in here saying TOW raised royal to a 5 ...hooray!!!

So maybe we really agree because yea, I think 5 is fair. We give them a D- which is about the same.

Tej's plan is to pay everyone to say all the slow pays dont matter and the watchdogs are beating us up. Well it won't work. I don't care if the whole world is on the take with Tej. If there are more slow pays they will be reported because SBR will never join the thugs of tej such as drunkguy, major, peep, uncle. And raiders if you are on the take why dont you just limit yourself to where the Tej boys post? You are welcome here but not to decieve players into joining a serial ripp-off scammers sportsbook.

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 05:02 PM

I'm not on the take. I did notice that you said there was an expected upgrade for Royal at one time and that was the same time that you were going to visit Royal. I'm not sure what the deal was that you had with Royal at the time but maybe the deal fell through. I'll find your quotes.

AK · 12-02-05, 05:02 PM

Lets move them to F+

**DamianDunlap** · 12-02-05, 05:36 PM

I will never play there or send players there unless they let me hold 2 million bucks, which is never. there many other better places to put your money in that royal

**SBR_John** · 12-02-05, 06:00 PM

I will never play there or send players there unless they let me hold 2 million bucks, which is never. there many other better places to put your money in that royal

There are no books on the net that I can think of that have had as many slow pays as Royal and that's not all Tej's fault either. Even before Tej's slow pays our friend Roberto was slow paying because the Dutch owners had deep pockets but very short arms.

I'm fine with the paid gang saying they are fine but over here, at SBR, we encourage players to join books that pay players on time, that don't threaten players and watchdogs and don't have owners who have closed down over a 100 books and casinos and stiffing all the unfortunate souls. Unfortunate souls that joined because guys on the take recommended Scores or Pyramid or the other 100's of scams. This time it is Royal and the paid slugs are out there crawling but not around here.

**raiders72001** · 12-02-05, 06:17 PM

Are all book owners that SBR recommends model citizens?

**pags11** · 12-03-05, 02:55 AM

what could they possibly have discussed?...this book is beyond bad and needs to be shut down...

**Illusion** · 12-03-05, 02:57 AM

I see TOW upgraded their rating. I have a feeling TOW is gonna have a new sponsor in the very near future.

**aje** · 12-03-05, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

at SBR, we encourage players to join books that pay players on time,

Thank you. Because that's what I care about.

**mad** · 12-03-05, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by Illusion

I see TOW upgraded their rating. I have a feeling TOW is gonna have a new sponsor in the very near future.

Could be illusion, could be... I was wondering if TFZ was in need of a sponsor or two. Whatcha' think?

**tacomax** · 12-03-05, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by mad

Could be illusion, could be... I was wondering if TFZ was in need of a sponsor or two. Whatcha' think?

I think The Fag Zone is more in need of some posters in that ghost town.

**TOW** · 12-03-05, 07:22 AM

Illusion, you are wrong. Royal will not advertise on TOW. On the other hand we all must try to be objective.

A 5 is a D+. Definitely not the kind of rating that entices players. But we have to give credit where credit is due.

They (Royal) came forth and showed objective evidence, such as their balance in Neteller. They explained why they are way slower than others in processing checks (and this entitles them to max a 5 until they will remove this bottleneck).

They have renewed their availability to maintain an open line of communication (SBR benefits from this as well) to ensure that players filing complaints with our sites will eventually be handled in a fashionable way.

Royal is a unique situation in the industry, and most of the time deserves bad ink. But we also have to remain objective and try to see if they might mean good.

Sites like ours, TOW and SBR, are in business to protect players and to help books amend or solve their mistakes. Lets never forget this.

**SBR_John** · 12-04-05, 12:45 AM

Royal is a unique situation in the industry, and most of the time deserves bad ink. But we also have to remain objective and try to see if they might mean good.

They complain to mutual friends in Costa Rica that we fail to meet them half way, we will not attempt to reconcile...thats what they told a Wall Street Journal reporter last week.

OK lets recap:
Even though they have their stooges make up stories about SBR, ghost as the kids of SBR employees(can you belive that?), threaten to kill SBR employees, harass my 74 year old mother and pull 3 SBR employees over in Costa Rica with 4 armed Tej body guards, I'd say we make every effort to be fair.

Anyway the solution is very, very simple: pay players when they ask for their money. Otherwise if you jack a player we are going to let the world know. Royal can hire everyone to counter the truth even raiders but they will not buy The SBR.

**raiders72001** · 12-04-05, 01:04 AM

John- You've been bashing Royal for three years. Then some SBR employees go to the Royal office unannounced. Did you expect them to welcome you with open arms?

**pats3peat** · 12-04-05, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

John- You've been bashing Royal for three years. Then some SBR employees go to the Royal office unannounced. Did you expect them to welcome you with open arms?

good for you. nobody cares..you can have fun investing all your money in Royal but you can take your praise somewhere else because noone wants to hear it after all the shit they did to SBR..

**SBR_John** · 12-04-05, 07:21 AM

Then some SBR employees go to the Royal office unannounced. Did you expect them to welcome you with open arms?

Raiders your buddies tailed us for 10 miles and then forced us with armed thugs to meet with them and you say we got what we deserved? You make a great tej-boy.

**mad** · 12-04-05, 07:41 AM

Lmao

Had a look at the Royal website to see what all this who-haw was all about. Two things i noticed:
1. Nice colour scheme, mauve. No wonder Raiders likes it so much. Matches his eye-shadow.
2. Says it's been paying players since 1995. So for those of you waiting a month or so, spare a thought for those poor bastards that have been waiting since 1995.