"You have to be looking at the game yourself and saying this is not entertaining"

**IBetYou** · 01-30-25, 12:16 AM

Adam Silver wants a 40 minute game. I think it will happen. Amazon executives don't want 3 hours of this slop. NBA expansion into Europe is on the horizon so that ties in also -many other leagues in the world and none of them play 48mins.

It wont improve the game like some on here want it to, but it will definitely up the intensity of the action.

**asiagambler** · 01-30-25, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by HoleWrecker

MLB is becoming trash too.

I'm sorry but what sport isn't trash ?

I thought the whole point of us here watching it was because we bet on it

12 minute quarters, 10 minute quarters, 20 minute halves, who cares? Just handicap it and move on

For me, NBA as an entertainment product died when Jordan retired (the 2nd time)

Of course I was much younger back then so maybe I just didn't know any better

**IBetYou** · 01-30-25, 02:53 AM

Well if you think basketball is trash then you'll prefer a shorter game.

**HoleWrecker** · 01-30-25, 04:49 PM

The NBA is trash now

**takethepnts** · 01-30-25, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by HoleWrecker

The NBA is trash now

I agree fully..I don't watch . Invest ofcourse . Watch - not a chance. It's a horrid product when compared to the Golden era of 1980 thru 2005 .

**Steelers05** · 01-30-25, 10:08 PM

Imagine being a laborer living in Washington and taking your kids to a game, spending say $450-$500 after tickets, parking, concessions, gas, etc., only to watch a half of basketball where your team is down 33, 78-45... go on to lose by 40. This shit happens on a nightly basis, just pulling an example from tonight. No way in hell would I pay to see a live NBA game nowadays.

**takethepnts** · 01-30-25, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Steelers05

Imagine being a laborer living in Washington and taking your kids to a game, spending say $450-$500 after tickets, parking, concessions, gas, etc., only to watch a half of basketball where your team is down 33, 78-45... go on to lose by 40. This shit happens on a nightly basis, just pulling an example from tonight. No way in hell would I pay to see a live NBA game nowadays.

Very well said. Couldn't agree more ��

**IBetYou** · 01-31-25, 12:26 AM

That's not just a random game... that;s the worst team in the league! What do you expect?! THat they'd give a heroic effort just for you and your kids? It's supply & demand anyway. If people didn't pay all that it would be cheaper.

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by IBetYou

That's not just a random game... that;s the worst team in the league! What do you expect?! THat they'd give a heroic effort just for you and your kids? It's supply & demand anyway. If people didn't pay all that it would be cheaper.

To your point , agree on silly people paying the outrageous amounts ... but speaking directly in regards of high ticket costs here in Toronto so many business buy up and write off the tickets to use for sales teams and deals I'm meetings or as percs for employees and quotas met or broken. The REAL fans , the average person , cannot afford to go see a game if they wanted to and they most certainly can't afford to take their kids to a game in good seats without digging extremely deep ... and no doubt the same way MONEY ruins most things in life , it's created a mostly uncaring atmosphere where many players ( average players ) are paid 100 to 200 thousand per game in the NBA win lose or miss 5 games for a stubbed toe..
But hey that's just my take. I wouldn't pay to see this junk.
Back in the 80s and 90s many players needed 2 work in the off season of their respective sports since a below average player wouldn't earn enough to take 6 mos off.
I'm not saying great athletes shouldnt be very wealthy , but it's out of control..that being said .. supply and demand . Only the demented IMO pay for this shit..

**IBetYou** · 01-31-25, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by k13

They don't know how to win now.
All these teams suck but someone has to win.

There's nothing that has improved.
3 pt% is the same a decades ago.

Very naive statements there. The number of threes have gone way up because more players can shoot them -and shoot them well.

I remember the days when a team had a designated shooter on their team. Someone like Jodie Meeks. The other team would decide we're just going to leave Evan Turner and Jrue Holiday wide open and stick to Meeks like glue. Therefore in the playoffs Meeks became unplayable. Now everyone can shoot and the opposite is true of that prior situation. Guys that can't shoot better be high end at multiple other things.

**IBetYou** · 01-31-25, 12:50 AM

Iguodala was also on that Sixers team ffs. He was their best player. How times have changed. They'd be bottom of the league now.

**mjsuax13** · 01-31-25, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by IBetYou

Adam Silver wants a 40 minute game. I think it will happen. Amazon executives don't want 3 hours of this slop. NBA expansion into Europe is on the horizon so that ties in also -many other leagues in the world and none of them play 48mins.

It wont improve the game like some on here want it to, but it will definitely up the intensity of the action.

I do like 40 minutes to align with international. Agreed that it won’t improve the game. Love the intensity that you are talking about.

**mjsuax13** · 01-31-25, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by IBetYou

Very naive statements there. The number of threes have gone way up because more players can shoot them -and shoot them well.

I remember the days when a team had a designated shooter on their team. Someone like Jodie Meeks. The other team would decide we're just going to leave Evan Turner and Jrue Holiday wide open and stick to Meeks like glue. Therefore in the playoffs Meeks became unplayable. Now everyone can shoot and the opposite is true of that prior situation. Guys that can't shoot better be high end at multiple other things.

LOL. Man you are spot on. The designated shooter and everyone knew it.

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 12:59 AM

There is 1000s of hours on YouTube of superstars , Shaq, Barkley, Oakley and many many more .. some as recent as the mid to late 2000s whom played to around 2020 whom all echo the same statements....back in the day you could actually get physical ans stop players from launching 500 x 3 s a game without getting tossed for a double T .
I loved NBA and watched religiously from 1975 to 2015 / 2019 area .... the product ( THE game as a whole - the environment- the missed time and injury management ) considering its no where near as physical as the past is craziness .
I'm not going to spend countless time arguing or trying to convince anyone either way but as an NBA mega fan of the 75 thru 2015 time frame I for one don't think the NBA is anywhere near as entertaining as it used to be . But everyone is entitled to their own opinions as to the type of sports , the toughness of the athletes and the competitiveness involved in the sport itself.. to me in most of those areas the NBA has greatly eroded.

**stevenash** · 01-31-25, 01:07 AM

Make the hand check legal again.
When the NBA made the hand check illegal twenty years ago, the scoring started to skyrocket.

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by stevenash

Make the hand check legal again.
When the NBA made the hand check illegal twenty years ago, the scoring started to skyrocket.

Absolutely �� . This is a great place to start.

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 01:08 AM

https://youtu.be/9zTfuixSFXM?si=UxnOpCn1tPnr1R76

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by takethepnts

https://youtu.be/9zTfuixSFXM?si=UxnOpCn1tPnr1R76

https://youtu.be/me3vIJLX-LU?si=5YUDVbn92qmElSrp

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by takethepnts

https://youtu.be/me3vIJLX-LU?si=5YUDVbn92qmElSrp

I could go on all day ... but when I watch these I miss the old NBA too much lol

https://youtu.be/3iCU4RJZi3o?si=YHTLy0lSB2c1KyRC

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by mjsuax13

LOL. Man you are spot on. The designated shooter and everyone knew it.

This was definitely an issue . I can't deny this lol. I watched my 90s Knicks lose to the Bulls mainly because they had more weapons from long range and they had a guy named MJ . And Pippen..who didn't get days off LOL .

**IBetYou** · 01-31-25, 08:14 AM

I'll tell you what they do need to get rid of... tanking. And maybe it will happen eventually with expansion, as the league morphs into a 1st division and a 2nd division.

Watched the Jazz lifeless in their game vs the T'Wolves last night. Sad! Best fan base in the league, and they have some talent but the front office wants to lose and the coach is on board with it -he knows his position is safe and his career will be better with an extra lottery pick (Jazz have a boatload of 1st rounders if I remember right).

**IBetYou** · 01-31-25, 08:16 AM

Might be a good idea to fade the Jazz over the next 20 games or so. I'm not an expert on fading lottery teams so take that with a pinch of salt.

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

I'll tell you what they do need to get rid of... tanking. And maybe it will happen eventually with expansion, as the league morphs into a 1st division and a 2nd division.

Watched the Jazz lifeless in their game vs the T'Wolves last night. Sad! Best fan base in the league, and they have some talent but the front office wants to lose and the coach is on board with it -he knows his position is safe and his career will be better with an extra lottery pick (Jazz have a boatload of 1st rounders if I remember right).

This is terrible your absolutely right . What's the best way to do away with incentive for tanking. ? It's so hard to believe people would pay to watch a team you know is going to tank , unless , and this goes a ways back and off topic .. in the NHL , we had a grumpy old very greedy owner of the Leafs named Harold Ballard ... his statement as we finished last in the NHL every year was ... what do I care where we finish , the seats are sold out for the next 10 to 20 years .
Let me tell you , this never changed in Toronto. But what did change was we used to be able to afford to go watch those lousy Leafs for a good price lol.
If your just taking the family or little one for an outing , not worried about the quality or results , this was better . If your a die hard fan who cares about competition, not so good lol.
Sorry .. when you mention tanking Harold Ballard came to mind .
He was so cheap when the NHL forced the teams to put the names of the players on the jerseys .. which very much upset Harold ( Mr cheapo) he taunted the NHL and added White letters to the white shirts so the names where there but no one in the crowd could read them LOL.
He was fined 10,000 and had to rectify the issue.
Back to the NBA. How do you fix tanking ?

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

Might be a good idea to fade the Jazz over the next 20 games or so. I'm not an expert on fading lottery teams so take that with a pinch of salt.

Putting down 1000 a game and coming back here to complain at to you if you fail me lol..

**takethepnts** · 01-31-25, 01:02 PM

Kobe Bryant's famous quote ... when asked why he played hurt ... " Someone in those stands or many , saved up money , took their time off , just to see me play .. I can't let them down " .

Every single player who earns the minimum sports salary in their respective leagues should look at their jobs like this .. only one team can win the championship so it matters not if you don't win it all ... So many mega stars retire without the chip ... but at least understand why people are paying so much and supporting your sport and supporting what it is that makes you rich beyond the average persons wildest dreams .
Figure something out where the super stars people come to see play 90% of the time. BASICALLY this was the norm , until around some time in 2017 onwards. Sports, especially the NBA, has drastically degraded since that time .

**IBetYou** · 01-31-25, 08:23 PM

Tank fix: no lottery... Institute cap rules for how much a team can offer based on their spending situation (they already have several tiers on this). When someone like Wemby comes along most teams wont be able to afford him.

**Steelers05** · 01-31-25, 08:28 PM

Is relegation to G League for bottom 3-4 even a possibility for NBA? I think relegation in EPL is awesome in regards to preventing tanking but don’t know if these dudes in NBA would go for it, God forbid we hurt their egos.

**IBetYou** · 01-31-25, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Steelers05

Is relegation to G League for bottom 3-4 even a possibility for NBA? I think relegation in EPL is awesome in regards to preventing tanking but don’t know if these dudes in NBA would go for it, God forbid we hurt their egos.

Quite a difference in valuation of an NBA team vs a GL team... If they expanded to 50 teams, with divisions in Europe they could split the league.

**IBetYou** · 01-31-25, 08:42 PM

Most GL teams are owned by the bigger club. Horrendous league. Rosters shape-shifting on a nightly basis, and the core players comprised of projects for the bigger team.

**Steelers05** · 01-31-25, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

Most GL teams are owned by the bigger club. Horrendous league. Rosters shape-shifting on a nightly basis, and the core players comprised of projects for the bigger team.

Good point with ownership. I didn't think it would work but they need to find a solution; it's just a mess currently.