Is it possible for a pitcher to pitch a perfect game and lose?
Is it possible for a pitcher to pitch a perfect game and lose? (Not a trick question)
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#1Is it possible for a pitcher to pitch a perfect game and lose? (Not a trick question)Tags: None -
johnnyvegas13BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#2I dunno nash
whar r ur fibal four plays???Comment -
ChuckyTheGoatBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#3The answer is NO.
Baseball has a long history, though. Invariably, there are asterisks to these things.
First game that came to mind was the Harvey Haddix game. Guy threw TWELVE perfect innings. Finally conceded in the 13th.
*How can a guy throw the best game in MLB history and be the Losing Pitcher in the boxscore?
SI did a great article on the game in 2009:
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strSBR Posting Legend
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JAKEPEAVY21BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5No
A perfect game means no baserunners whatsoever. It's impossible to lose when no runners reach base.Comment -
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#6Pedro Martinez had a similar game in 1995:
So when the top of the 10th began, MartÃnez became the second pitcher in history – following Harvey Haddix on May 26, 1959 – to take a perfect game into extra innings.Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
JIBBBYSBR Aristocracy
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#7Degrom is a pitcher that could find a way to lose in a perfect game pitched..Comment -
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stevenashModerator
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#12
The perfection of pitching a perfect game is in preventing all opposing batters from reaching base by any means.
Every batter is retired before reaching first base, perfect, correct?
Now, Manfred in his infinite wisdom (that's sarcasm fellas) in 2020 thought it would be a brilliant idea to start all top halves of extra innings with a 'free runner' at second base.
The runner is placed there, the starting pitcher had nothing to do with that runner.
Perfect pitcher still on the mound, free runner at second base, no outs, first batter hits a worm killer to 2B, tosses to 1B, one out, runner on second advances to third base..
Next batter lofts a routine fly ball to center field, caught, runner scores on third scores via sac fly on a close call at home plate, 1-0 now, two outs, the next batter whiffs for the final out.
By definition pitcher pitches a perfect game but loses 1-0 since his team failed to tie or go ahead in the bottom of the extra inning.
Reason #48 why I hate the rule changes, and reason #82 why I dislike the simpleton that is Rob Manfred.Comment -
ChuckyTheGoatBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#13Good one, Nashy.
I'll add another asterisk. *
*Baseball history is directly linked to the statistics.
So, the Extra Inning run allowed factors into the Pitcher's ERA? More like a carnival game than baseball.Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
OldBillSBR Hall of Famer
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#14no a perfect game means no body got to 1st base
but non perfect game that nobody hit the hit ball they can lose giving up 4 walks in 1 inning hasnt happened often but it canComment -
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DrunkHorseplayerSBR Hall of Famer
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#17Thanks solely to the designated runner in extra innings, it is possible to pitch a perfecto and lose; the run does not count against a pitcher's ERA.Comment -
pavyracerSBR Aristocracy
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#18Maybe if both pitchers pitch a perfect game and the winner is declared by coin toss after a 0-0 game that lasted 3 days with each pitcher throwing 1000 pitches and noone reached base.Comment -
stevenashModerator
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#19
The starters were Ron Darling for Yale and Frank Viola for St. Johns.
Never mind, I'll do it for you, saves time that way.
Not a perfecto by both pitchers mind you, but your post conjured up memories of this game.
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#20Correct.
The perfection of pitching a perfect game is in preventing all opposing batters from reaching base by any means.
Every batter is retired before reaching first base, perfect, correct?
Now, Manfred in his infinite wisdom (that's sarcasm fellas) in 2020 thought it would be a brilliant idea to start all top halves of extra innings with a 'free runner' at second base.
The runner is placed there, the starting pitcher had nothing to do with that runner.
Perfect pitcher still on the mound, free runner at second base, no outs, first batter hits a worm killer to 2B, tosses to 1B, one out, runner on second advances to third base..
Next batter lofts a routine fly ball to center field, caught, runner scores on third scores via sac fly on a close call at home plate, 1-0 now, two outs, the next batter whiffs for the final out.
By definition pitcher pitches a perfect game but loses 1-0 since his team failed to tie or go ahead in the bottom of the extra inning.
Reason #48 why I hate the rule changes, and reason #82 why I dislike the simpleton that is Rob Manfred.Comment -
Ghenghis KahnSBR Posting Legend
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#21Perfect game means 0 0 0 on the box score so when it's 1 0 0, no. When there's a score it's not a perfect game.
Hence, no hitter yes, perfect no...Comment -
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#22Runner bunts guy over. Then sac fly in bottom of 10Comment -
JAKEPEAVY21BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#23Whether the run scores or not in extra innings, a runner was on base.
That alone would kill the perfect game, no?Comment -
jackpot269SBR Posting Legend
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#26Just a guess no rules expert hereComment -
DrunkHorseplayerSBR Hall of Famer
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#28Yes, it is considered a perfect game under baseball rules.Comment -
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#29^
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