Laker, got a Gretzky trivia question for you

[ChuckyTheGoat]

OK. Wayne won enough NHL awards to fill a mantle (x10).

Name two NHL awards that Wayne did NOT win: Excluding goalie award (Vezina).

*One he was NOT eligible for, b/c of a technicality.

*One other award he WAS eligible for but never win.

[lakerboy]

Calder

Richard award?

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Calder

Richard award?

1) Yes. Was ineligible for Calder (ROY) b/c they counted the one year in WHA.

2) I think your answer of Richard award is technically correct. But they started that award very late in Wayne's career:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_%22Rocket%22_Richard_Trophy

*My answer is the Selke trophy (for Best Defensive Forward). Selke = great list of two-way forwards. Wayne's defense was never considered worthy of winning the Selke.

[lakerboy]

Ahhh. The good old Doug Jarvis award lol.

[MickeyMan]

I remember my dad telling me in the mid 80’s they’d have to split up Gretzky’s goals and assists for hockey pools or obviously whoever got first pick would win. His assists would go first and goals would still go in the 20’s. Incredible

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I remember my dad telling me in the mid 80’s they’d have to split up Gretzky’s goals and assists for hockey pools or obviously whoever got first pick would win. His assists would go first and goals would still go in the 20’s. Incredible

Yeah, Mickey. Guy blistered the record book. Dominated the League Leader categories for a decade.

[franz555]

I remember my dad telling me in the mid 80’s they’d have to split up Gretzky’s goals and assists for hockey pools or obviously whoever got first pick would win. His assists would go first and goals would still go in the 20’s. Incredible

Fact. Pools just excluded Gretzky due to the huge advantage of selecting #1.

[stevenash]

LB is pretty good at trivia.
Just spitballing here, how much of a career boost did Messier give The Great One?

[ChuckyTheGoat]

LB is pretty good at trivia.
Just spitballing here, how much of a career boost did Messier give The Great One?

i would say "Very little."

I say that b/c they were on the ice together rarely. Only a few Power Plays. So 90% separate time.

The one I'd have to ask: *Jari Kurri was Wayne's Right Wing linemate.

Kurri got to 600 goals. I have to imagine that Kurri benefitted GREATLY from having Wayne as his center.

In the L40 years, the Gretzky trade is easily the most mind-boggling transaction I can think of. Even today it seems implausible. It's a trade that couldn't happen.

[franz555]

i would say "Very little."

I say that b/c they were on the ice together rarely. Only a few Power Plays. So 90% separate time.

The one I'd have to ask: *Jari Kurri was Wayne's Right Wing linemate.

Kurri got to 600 goals. I have to imagine that Kurri benefitted GREATLY from having Wayne as his center.

In the L40 years, the Gretzky trade is easily the most mind-boggling transaction I can think of. Even today it seems implausible. It's a trade that couldn't happen.

Dave Semenko ( aka Stone Hands Semenko ) played along side Gretzky for a period of time. His sole purpose was to step in and deal with anybody who took liberties with the great one. At one time he held the record for scoring in 10 straight games. That speaks volumes about Gretzky making everybody around him better

[lakerboy]

i would say "Very little."

I say that b/c they were on the ice together rarely. Only a few Power Plays. So 90% separate time.

The one I'd have to ask: *Jari Kurri was Wayne's Right Wing linemate.

Kurri got to 600 goals. I have to imagine that Kurri benefitted GREATLY from having Wayne as his center.

In the L40 years, the Gretzky trade is easily the most mind-boggling transaction I can think of. Even today it seems implausible. It's a trade that couldn't happen.

Kurri would have amounted to be an average winger without Wayne

[Goat Milk]

Datsyuk. One of most underrated players ever.

[theboss4018]

Kurri would have amounted to be an average winger without Wayne

Benefited immensely, no doubt, average LB.. not so sure. I would think the Great One would disagree. Just my opinion.

[theboss4018]

OK. Wayne won enough NHL awards to fill a mantle (x10).

Name two NHL awards that Wayne did NOT win: Excluding goalie award (Vezina).

*One he was NOT eligible for, b/c of a technicality.

*One other award he WAS eligible for but never win.

We all know Gretzky wasn’t known for his defensive play. He was a weapon short handed though. Most goals all time on the penalty kill.

[agendaman]

laker-what nhl great had the nickname le gros bill. gotta know your stuff for this one laker.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

We all know Gretzky wasn’t known for his defensive play. He was a weapon short handed though. Most goals all time on the penalty kill.

Ya, John Madden won the Selke one year. Great Short-handed goal specialist.

Some great names on the Selke trophy list. Fedorov, Datsyuk, Jere Lehtinen. Lehtinen was a great +/- player.

Not the current players. But at one time, I knew the NHL players inside and out.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Also, Wayne won the Lady Byng several times. Awarded for great sportsmanship. Usually went to a guy who didn't Fight too much.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

We all know Gretzky wasn’t known for his defensive play. He was a weapon short handed though. Most goals all time on the penalty kill.

Certainly not my BEST trivia question. Just thought it was interesting when you consider how many trophies Wayne won.

*Excluding the Norris/Vezina, I found one more trophy Wayne did NOT win:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Masterton_Memorial_Trophy

...It's similar to the Lady Byng re: sportstmanship. Designed to recognize "perseverance". Well, it's hard to persevere when you're lapping the field in Points.

The Masterson often went to a player coming back from injury or health issues. Went to Mario Lemieux and Cam Neely, as examples. A little surprised Wayne didn't win this one later in his career for being an "ambassador" to the sport.

[Booya711]

Just message him….we don’t need a thread about you asking laker a question

[lakerboy]

laker-what nhl great had the nickname le gros bill. gotta know your stuff for this one laker.

Beliveau. I know hockey man. Gentleman Jean.

[lakerboy]

Benefited immensely, no doubt, average LB.. not so sure. I would think the Great One would disagree. Just my opinion.

Of course he would. You think he would say that kurri was average publicly?

Kurri was average. He was the biggest Benefactor of Wayne. Didn't he follow him to la?

I saw jarri play. He had a great a shot.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Not sure I ever saw a stat. Wayne must have assisted on (roughly) half of Kurri's goals.

*Found it interesting to watch the 1980 USA game vs Finland. Al Michaels mis-pronouned Kurri's name. I'm sure he had no idea who he was.

My recollection is that Jari was much less potent when he got to the Kings. Of course, he was a good bit older by that time, too. Not as explosive in his 30s.

[agendaman]

nicely done laker.big jean was a true habs great.

[lakerboy]

Not sure I ever saw a stat. Wayne must have assisted on (roughly) half of Kurri's goals.

*Found it interesting to watch the 1980 USA game vs Finland. Al Michaels mis-pronouned Kurri's name. I'm sure he had no idea who he was.

My recollection is that Jari was much less potent when he got to the Kings. Of course, he was a good bit older by that time, too. Not as explosive in his 30s.

Kurri basically became old when Gretzky left. He got that last ring vs Boston when messier carried them with Ranford.
Remember the lights out game?

Klima big goal after sitting on the bench for the whole game.

Kurri would have amounted to nothing without Wayne.

Remember Mike Krushelynski? Lol

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Kurri basically became old when Gretzky left. He got that last ring vs Boston when messier carried them with Ranford.
Remember the lights out game?

Klima big goal after sitting on the bench for the whole game.

Kurri would have amounted to nothing without Wayne.

Remember Mike Krushelynski? Lol

Yes, Laker. I remember all of that. Granted, it's been a while.

Klima was a great sniper. He sometimes lost ice-time b/c wasn't a great 2-way player.

Yes, Klima scored the big goal. Broke the Bruins' backs.

Messier was a horse. Still young. Saw a video where guy asked Gretzky:

"If you had stayed in Edmonton...how many more Cups you think you would have won?"

GRETZKY: "Probably four more."

That's an honest response. I say Four more, minimum. How many other teams would ever have Messier as their 2nd-line center?

[lakerboy]

Yes, Laker. I remember all of that. Granted, it's been a while.

Klima was a great sniper. He sometimes lost ice-time b/c wasn't a great 2-way player.

Yes, Klima scored the big goal. Broke the Bruins' backs.

Messier was a horse. Still young. Saw a video where guy asked Gretzky:

"If you had stayed in Edmonton...how many more Cups you think you would have won?"

GRETZKY: "Probably four more."

That's an honest response. I say Four more, minimum. How many other teams would ever have Messier as their 2nd-line center?

Mark Messier IMO was the best hockey player that ever played until he retired.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Laker, I got back a really nice Messier Rookie from the grader. Got an 8 on the impossible OPC card.

[lakerboy]

Laker, I got back a really nice Messier Rookie from the grader. Got an 8 on the impossible OPC card.

I have one but it's probably a 5 lol

[jackpot269]

Chucky how did the 1998 Canadian team not win gold at the Olympics? They had at least 3 maybe 4 future HOFers ( hockey not my best sport)
Was it because of their age, they were getting older! The great one was at least 36!
If I remember correctly the USA was favored and lost in the gold round to the Czech Republic

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Chucky how did the 1998 Canadian team not win gold at the Olympics? They had at least 3 maybe 4 future HOFers ( hockey not my best sport)
Was it because of their age, they were getting older! The great one was at least 36!
If I remember correctly the USA was favored and lost in the gold round to the Czech Republic

Hi, Jack. Can't say I remember that one at all. Has to do with where I was working at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey_at_the_1998_Winter_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_tournament

From looking at the bracket, I can say one thing. When he was on, Hasek could dominate a game. Truly "The Blank Czech."

[TheMoneyShot]

I couldn't stand Gretzky... Messier when I was like 10 years old. Hated em. Edmonton was loaded.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I couldn't stand Gretzky... Messier when I was like 10 years old. Hated em. Edmonton was loaded.

Ya. Almost like they were too good.

If you disliked the Oilers...the playoff series that comes to mind is the one they lost vs the Flames. Steve Smith banged in the OWN-GOAL off the goalie skate from behind his own net.

[jackpot269]

Hi, Jack. Can't say I remember that one at all. Has to do with where I was working at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey_at_the_1998_Winter_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_tournament

From looking at the bracket, I can say one thing. When he was on, Hasek could dominate a game. Truly "The Blank Czech."

It was the first one with the NHL players, besides the miracle on ice and the year USA beat Canada in a early round then lost to them in the gold round (I Think) it always sticks out for some reason!
Sorry to get your thread off topic!

[slewfan]

Gretzky made a superstar out of Luc Robitaille also.