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  • stevenash
    Moderator
    • 01-17-11
    • 65531

    #1
    Why won't the NCAA...
    Change the Pi rule to a spot foul on PI (like the NFL) instead of a 15 yard penalty?

    I'm watching this NC/NC St. affair, Maye throws a 45 yard beautiful bomb, the receiver gets mugged though or else it's a big gainer, and all NC gets is 15 yards, if this is an NFL game, NC gets the full 45 yards.

    Come on, unify this PI rule already.
  • Shark
    SBR MVP
    • 01-14-10
    • 1789

    #2
    Because that nfl rule is bs
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    • DrunkHorseplayer
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 05-15-10
      • 7719

      #3
      The NCAA rule used to mirror the NFL rule until they wised up. The question is when is the NFL going to follow suit?
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      • jrgum3
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 07-21-17
        • 7005

        #4
        Originally posted by stevenash
        Change the Pi rule to a spot foul on PI (like the NFL) instead of a 15 yard penalty?

        I'm watching this NC/NC St. affair, Maye throws a 45 yard beautiful bomb, the receiver gets mugged though or else it's a big gainer, and all NC gets is 15 yards, if this is an NFL game, NC gets the full 45 yards.

        Come on, unify this PI rule already.
        To be honest with you I hate the NFL rule. I think 15 yards is plenty for PI especially since there are many times I feel like a QB throws one up in hopes that he gets a PI and often times you see it working in the NFL so they get a cheap touchdown. Just my opinion though but I like some of the college rules better than the NFL.
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        • stevenash
          Moderator
          • 01-17-11
          • 65531

          #5
          Originally posted by jrgum3
          To be honest with you I hate the NFL rule. I think 15 yards is plenty for PI especially since there are many times I feel like a QB throws one up in hopes that he gets a PI and often times you see it working in the NFL so they get a cheap touchdown. Just my opinion though but I like some of the college rules better than the NFL.
          I'm in the minority, it should be a spot foul, but you can make a case either way.
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          • trobin31
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 01-09-14
            • 9853

            #6
            If the PI is intentional or egregious it should be a spot foul, if it’s unintentional then 15 or half the distance. Thing I don’t like are offenses taking shots just to try and draw a PI or the acting jobs by wide receivers, those should be taken into account for the penalty as well
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            • thetrinity
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 01-25-11
              • 22430

              #7
              Originally posted by trobin31
              If the PI is intentional or egregious it should be a spot foul, if it’s unintentional then 15 or half the distance. Thing I don’t like are offenses taking shots just to try and draw a PI or the acting jobs by wide receivers, those should be taken into account for the penalty as well
              This is what I said. Like when they had the 5 and 15 yard face mask. The best would be 2 possible penalties on deep balls, 15 yard or spot foul
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              • cincinnatikid513
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 11-23-17
                • 45360

                #8
                are they going to do away with stopping the clock after each first down as well, let's have a running clock and see those totals
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                • Mike Huntertz
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 08-19-09
                  • 11207

                  #9
                  Originally posted by thetrinity
                  This is what I said. Like when they had the 5 and 15 yard face mask. The best would be 2 possible penalties on deep balls, 15 yard or spot foul
                  I liked the 5 & 15 face mask calls rather than 15.
                  Ya grab the guyz mask because he's gonna go for a TD and rip it like no tomorrow, twisting his head 180 degrees.....get your finger caught in the grill and barely impede him. Same 15 yards???? No way......dumb as phuck.
                  Sexual assault.....pat a person on the ass or rape them.....same thing sexual assult.....dumb as phuck.
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                  • pavyracer
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 04-12-07
                    • 82790

                    #10
                    NFL rule is wrong. The only reason NFL has it is to have more high scoring games and be easier to manipulate outcomes of games to their liking.
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                    • TheMoneyShot
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 02-14-07
                      • 28672

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pavyracer
                      NFL rule is wrong. The only reason NFL has it is to have more high scoring games and be easier to manipulate outcomes of games to their liking.
                      THIS. Spot on. This is exactly why the NFL made it a spot foul past 15 yards. Manipulate outcome of games... backdoor cover.

                      I actually like how the NCAA has it right now. 15 yards is fine.
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                      • stevenash
                        Moderator
                        • 01-17-11
                        • 65531

                        #12
                        ^
                        So, penalize the offense 35 yards on a would be 50 yard completion that never happened because the DE got burnt like toast and the only recourse the DE has is to mug the WR preventing him to make the easy catch by knowing it'll only cost him 15 yards for DPI instead of 50 yards, if not a TD.

                        Is this what you are saying?
                        And if so, how exactly is that fair to the offense?

                        So, every time a defender gets beat for a big gainer, you're saying it's fair to tackle him while the ball is in flight just to prevent a TD?
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                        • TheMoneyShot
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                          • 02-14-07
                          • 28672

                          #13
                          ^ I don't like the NFL PI rule either. I just think 15 yards is plenty. Most plays aren't typically deep bombs... they are usually around 15-20 yards roughly.
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                          • Booya711
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                            • 12-20-11
                            • 27329

                            #14
                            NFL needs to change the rule to match the NCAA. 15 yards and an automatic first down is plenty.
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                            • jackpot269
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 09-24-07
                              • 12842

                              #15
                              Good discussion, and topic I'm ok either way, with the penalty
                              itself,
                              It's the inconsistent way they are called I have a problem with.
                              The 2 tier pi call would make this even worse. Any rule is fair when applied equally.
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                              • Booya711
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                                • 12-20-11
                                • 27329

                                #16
                                Originally posted by trobin31
                                If the PI is intentional or egregious it should be a spot foul, if it’s unintentional then 15 or half the distance. Thing I don’t like are offenses taking shots just to try and draw a PI or the acting jobs by wide receivers, those should be taken into account for the penalty as well
                                too judgemental for the refs to call this way. What makes a PI intentional or not? The game is hard enough to police, so this method will definitely not work.
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                                • TheMoneyShot
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                                  • 02-14-07
                                  • 28672

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Booya711
                                  too judgemental for the refs to call this way. What makes a PI intentional or not? The game is hard enough to police, so this method will definitely not work.
                                  I agree. Same thing with the 5 yrd or 15 yrd face mask penalty. It was rather dumb. If it worked well... they would of kept it.
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                                  • thetrinity
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 01-25-11
                                    • 22430

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Mike Huntertz
                                    I liked the 5 & 15 face mask calls rather than 15.
                                    Ya grab the guyz mask because he's gonna go for a TD and rip it like no tomorrow, twisting his head 180 degrees.....get your finger caught in the grill and barely impede him. Same 15 yards???? No way......dumb as phuck.
                                    Sexual assault.....pat a person on the ass or rape them.....same thing sexual assult.....dumb as phuck.
                                    high school in pennsylvania has this rule for face masks still
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                                    • stevenash
                                      Moderator
                                      • 01-17-11
                                      • 65531

                                      #19
                                      How about OPI?
                                      10 yard penalty in the NFL
                                      15 yard penalty in NCAA.

                                      Bengals are playing the Titans tomorrow
                                      Burrow throws a 30 yard dying quail to Higgins who had zero chance to make a play on it.
                                      The cornerback, McCreary is under the pass for a clear interception with a potential pick six.
                                      Higgins realizes this and blatantly tackles McCreary preventing a potential pick six, and at least a 30 yard interception.

                                      Zebra throws the flag and announces on the mic 'Offensive pass interference, number 85, ten yard penalty, repeat first down"

                                      Is that ten yard penalty fair?
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                                      • jackpot269
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 09-24-07
                                        • 12842

                                        #20
                                        D holding 5 yards and a first down! Who comes up with this stuff!
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