The Cleveland Cavaliers are a F'n problem

[Nate rasta]

I can see Cleveland winning the east

[JIBBBY]

Cavs whooping that ass!

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers-detroit-pistons-2022110408/

[Mac4Lyfe]

Cavs whooping that ass!
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/clevela...ns-2022110408/

Let’s cash this bitch Jibbby. Back on the Cavs gravy train.

[KRIT]

NBA is wild, only in this sport do teams have better chance of covering when stars don’t play.

No Garland and Mitchell, Cavs blowout.

No Kyrie, Nets blowout.

We will find out with GS, almost played them.

[JIBBBY]

Let’s cash this bitch Jibbby. Back on the Cavs gravy train.

I hedged out live like an idiot after reading your injury report post Mac.

It's all good though. Live to play another day. I should have stuck with it..

[Mac4Lyfe]

NBA is wild, only in this sport do teams have better chance of covering when stars don’t play. No Garland and Mitchell, Cavs blowout.No Kyrie, Nets blowout.We will find out with GS, almost played them.

It's uncanny. I had a small bet on the Nets for that very reason. I just knew that the Nets would be motivated after all the noise to kick somebody's ass. I wanted to hammer it but got scared. I didn't know what to expect in this Cavs game because Detroit really had our number last year, especially down the stretch when the Cavs needed to win a game for the playoffs and Detroit beat the brakes off. I felt really good with the 1st quarter and the under so cash is cash.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I hedged out live like an idiot after reading your injury report post Mac.
It's all good though. Live to play another day. I should have stuck with it..

My bad. I didn't know what to expect but after that 1st quarter it was pretty clear the Pistons couldn't score. Plenty of opportunities ahead. Cavs about to go out west on a 4 game trip. I think they can win all 4 of them. I think they beat the brakes off the Lakers on Sunday. That will be a statement game. I'm betting the house regardless the line on that one. The next night vs the Clips will be tough but they can really be the big dawgs of the Central the next 2 weeks.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Cavs are letting the bodies hit the floor. Leaving a lot of blood and carnage in their wake.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CAVS WIN 8 IN A ROW!! <a href="https://t.co/9yej9JGwHe">pic.twitter.com/9yej9JGwHe</a></p>&mdash; McNeil (@Reflog_18) <a href="https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/1589392348005683200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >November 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mac4Lyfe]

Cavs have won 7 of their 8 games by 9 or more points.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Cavs going to let the Bucks no in a week and a half.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Best defense: Best record:<br>1. Bucks 1. Bucks<br>2. Cavs 2. Cavs<br>3. Suns 3. Suns <a href="https://t.co/b78rwFcWhO">pic.twitter.com/b78rwFcWhO</a></p>&mdash; StatMuse (@statmuse) <a href="https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1589394835571888128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >November 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Cavs have won 7 of their 8 games by 9 or more points.

Mac, I hope they make a run for you.

Maybe just needed a year of maturity.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Very interesting, Mac. Do you think the markets are onto the Cavs? Any hidden value remain?

[Mac4Lyfe]

JB got the Dawg chain today.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Surprise, Coach! ��✨ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LetEmKnow?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Et fw">#LetEmKnow</a> <a href="https://t.co/Az8JzWhCLx">pic.twitter.com/Az8JzWhCLx</a></p>&mdash; Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) <a href="https://twitter.com/cavs/status/1589398477846577152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >November 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Mean mugging.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Looks like a team that gets along well. Looks like they can do some things.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Very interesting, Mac. Do you think the markets are onto the Cavs? Any hidden value remain?

They never caught on last year until the team got decimated with injuries. This team is built to cover lines in the regular season. Not sure how well they'll do in the playoffs as they don't have the experience, except Mitchell could be a difference maker.

[jjgold]

Mitchell carrying them

[Mac4Lyfe]

[IBetYou]

Only disappointing thing about them is the regression of Mobley... their guards just don't fuckin pass the ball! Rubio will help with that.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Only disappointing thing about them is the regression of Mobley... their guards just don't fuckin pass the ball! Rubio will help with that.

I think he's still dealing with an ankle in the preseason. His defense is stellar but his offense has not improved as much as I expected but he's so young.

[IBetYou]

On a side note, what do you make of the Blazers Mac4lyfe? I must admit I thought they'd be shit coming into the season..... but they've been tough defensively and on the boards. J.Grant is one of the underappreciated players in the league I think; excellent driver and help-side defender. He had that game winning drive in LA vs James and then recently hit another game winner in Phoenix. Not an immensely talented guy but effective. Hot team? Got blown out in Phoenix previously.

They play in Miami tonight. Might be getting Lillard back. I might bite. Getting 6.5pts on the spread.

[jjgold]

Bucks still a monster

[Goat Milk]

They are very good

I told you last year they would fall off a cliff after you were getting hype on them

But yeah they added a top 20 player, so that changes things, and Lavert has another year in the office, very rock solid scorer who gives good depth. Let's see if they stay healthy.

Garland is the key to this team, not Mitchell.

[Goat Milk]

On a side note, what do you make of the Blazers Mac4lyfe? I must admit I thought they'd be shit coming into the season..... but they've been tough defensively and on the boards. J.Grant is one of the underappreciated players in the league I think; excellent driver and help-side defender. He had that game winning drive in LA vs James and then recently hit another game winner in Phoenix. Not an immensely talented guy but effective. Hot team? Got blown out in Phoenix previously.

They play in Miami tonight. Might be getting Lillard back. I might bite. Getting 6.5pts on the spread.

why would they be shit? They have 3 of the best defensive players in the nba at their positions. Grant, Josh Hill, and Gary Payton when he soon comes back. Add in justice winslow and there are a lot of guys who will do the little things. Grant is a borderline all star level player, books didn't adjust from that signing just cause he isn't a big splashy name. Payton is only gonna help even more, they will sub out simmons early and bring in payton to protect lillard, then leave payton in the game to protect simmons. Billups knows what he's doing.

[IBetYou]

why would they be shit? They have 3 of the best defensive players in the nba at their positions. Grant, Josh Hill, and Gary Payton when he soon comes back. Add in justice winslow and there are a lot of guys who will do the little things. Grant is a borderline all star level player, books didn't adjust from that signing just cause he isn't a big splashy name. Payton is only gonna help even more, they will sub out simmons early and bring in payton to protect lillard, then leave payton in the game to protect simmons. Billups knows what he's doing.

Well they don't have great shooting around their star guard. Not a big fan of Simons though he is improving. Sharpe just a teenager -and skipped a year didn't he? Payton is just one of those guys that looked great next to Curry. Not a big fan of Nurkic either. Hart is a tough driver but not a good shooter -like I say most of them aren't. Grant is the one making the biggest difference imo.

[Mac4Lyfe]

On a side note, what do you make of the Blazers Mac4lyfe? I must admit I thought they'd be shit coming into the season..... but they've been tough defensively and on the boards. J.Grant is one of the underappreciated players in the league I think; excellent driver and help-side defender. He had that game winning drive in LA vs James and then recently hit another game winner in Phoenix. Not an immensely talented guy but effective. Hot team? Got blown out in Phoenix previously.

They play in Miami tonight. Might be getting Lillard back. I might bite. Getting 6.5pts on the spread.

I don't know what to think about Portland or Miami. They both are bipolar teams right now. Blazers beat the Suns 2 out of 3 games which is crazy but Miami beat them down less than 2 weeks ago. The line is going up (+7.5) which tells me Lillard may not play. It seems like a lot of points but these 2 teams have been weird. Under 215 seems better bet?

[Mac4Lyfe]

They are very good

I told you last year they would fall off a cliff after you were getting hype on them

But yeah they added a top 20 player, so that changes things, and Lavert has another year in the office, very rock solid scorer who gives good depth. Let's see if they stay healthy.

Garland is the key to this team, not Mitchell.

They only fell off because of injuries. Once Allen and Mobley went down it was game over. Shame.

I think a lot is up to Mobley and Allen. Those guys need to play big and not get bullied. Mobley needs to put on more muscle. He is skinny as a twig. Allen plays like a pussy at times but when he plays tough, the Cavs are hard to beat. Those 2 are the anchors. The guards will be okay. Not worried about Garland, Mitchell or LeVert.

[jjgold]

Tonight could be another in on road

[IBetYou]

Lillard in, Simons upgraded to questionable. Line at +6 now, and I will bet it. I don't go for totals so that U suggestion goes straight over my head -it's never interested me/ too complicated

[IBetYou]

Cavs look good again tonight. Clippers missing Kennard. Wall loses everywhere he goes. Poor attitude, and no shooting ability.

[Goat Milk]

Well they don't have great shooting around their star guard. Not a big fan of Simons though he is improving. Sharpe just a teenager -and skipped a year didn't he? Payton is just one of those guys that looked great next to Curry. Not a big fan of Nurkic either. Hart is a tough driver but not a good shooter -like I say most of them aren't. Grant is the one making the biggest difference imo.

Payton is the best defensive player in the nba imo for guarding guys who are 6'3 and under. I'll take him over Marcus Smart on defense. He'll hit the open shot and cut to the rim on defense too, and he'll grab rebounds. Payton has the right mentality, is an old veteran, and we know who his father was. The guy is just a good basketball player and extremely underrated. Every championship team has a guy like that, not to say portland will win it all, but it's honestly not out of the question depending on what big names get injured in June.

Josh hart, gritty, scrappy, I'll take that any day of the week over shooting. All these teams that have great shooting and spacing, what have they ever done? Only GS has ever succeeded with that philosophy, and it's all built on their defense really. Curry and Thompson don't get enough credit for their defense in the playoffs. Add in Wiggins who can lock down anyone, and Green of course.
The Bucks won their ring off defense, not bringing in all these shooters. It was the Jrue Holliday show in the playoffs, and Giannis. That lethal defensive tandum. People couldn't score on them when it counted most late in the 4th.
Josh Hart is a 6'4 guy capable of grabbing 15 rebounds in a game. He's done it many times in his career. What other 6'4 player in the league has ever done that even once besides Westbrook? The answer is probably 0.

Simons is a necessary scorer, but I would have rather seen them upgrade to someone like Beal. But Simons is very very hard to stop. When he's on, the guy is straight money. He can drop 20 points in a quarter, another thing not a lot of guys can do.

Nurkic is learning to be more physical. But he hasn't improved since he's come in the league. He's soft, but the plan is for Billups to shake him up. You gotta prepare him to face Jokic and those guys in the west. I think he's a rock solid center, probably a top 10 center in the league, since there are so few of them who are good.

Sharp will barely be in the rotation come playoff time. He'll play 13 minutes and he'll get you a few buckets here and there.

Grant is an excellent player. He just does everything. He rebounds, he defends, he scores, he can shoot 3s, he can make clutch shots. He can be plugged into any system and be effective. He's just one of those guys who you need. Like people get so oooh and ahhh over a guy like Michael Porter Jr, or Ben Simmons (pre 2020), but Grant is a better basketball player than both those guys, easily.

Lillard, we know what he does. No one wants to face that guy in the playoffs. Metrically, he's the most clutch player in the history of basketball in the postseason. People can say Morant and Curry are better, but this guy is right there too.

Don't be surprised if the Blazers make a run at someone prior to the deadline.

[Goat Milk]

They only fell off because of injuries. Once Allen and Mobley went down it was game over. Shame.

I think a lot is up to Mobley and Allen. Those guys need to play big and not get bullied. Mobley needs to put on more muscle. He is skinny as a twig. Allen plays like a pussy at times but when he plays tough, the Cavs are hard to beat. Those 2 are the anchors. The guards will be okay. Not worried about Garland, Mitchell or LeVert.

Na man they were falling off before that and even if they did get to the playoffs, they would have been one and done in the playoffs. They had no experience, no leadership. Those teams don't win NBA titles bro. You've been watching ball long enough to know that, you just took the homer pick.

This year, everyone is a year older, some of the guys have won awards, like Garland being an all star, which is more than award, it's validation, and that changes a player's mentality. They brought in a top 20 player with a ton of playoff experience. So the vibe of the team is different now. Can they win it all? I don't know, it's too early to tell. I think one think they don't have on this team is a two-way perimeter stopper.

Every championship team has one.

Bucks had Holiday.
Warriors had Wiggins.
Warriors had Thompson, Durant combo.
Lakers had Caldwell Pope.
Even Boston, or Miami, who made the finals, had Butler, and Marcus Smart.

Lavert and Mitchell aren't great perimeter defender, so they don't really have that two way player who can score and also defend elite SGs/SFs. That's the hole in the team I see as of now.

I should be a fukkin GM.

[IBetYou]

All these teams that have great shooting and spacing, what have they ever done? Only GS has ever succeeded with that philosophy, and it's all built on their defense really.

The HEAT! They got to the finals, and are still one of the premier teams in the east.

[Goat Milk]

All these teams that have great shooting and spacing, what have they ever done? Only GS has ever succeeded with that philosophy, and it's all built on their defense really.

The HEAT! They got to the finals, and are still one of the premier teams in the east.

I don't think Heat ever had great spacing or great shooting. Butler can't shoot. Dragic is hit or miss in terms of shooting. Robinson can shoot, but they quickly realized they were never gonna win a title with a guy starting who is maybe the worst defender in nba history. Bam can't shoot. Miami got the finals cause they do all the little shit that portland is abotu to do this year. Take charges. Dive for loose balls. Get rebounds. Defend 1 on 1 without fouling. They really only had maybe 2 snipers on that team, Robinson and Herro, both of whom are much worse shooters than Lillard. Robinson can't even generate his own offense, he needs to be wide open to score.

[IBetYou]

I don't think Heat ever had great spacing or great shooting. Butler can't shoot. Dragic is hit or miss in terms of shooting. Robinson can shoot, but they quickly realized they were never gonna win a title with a guy starting who is maybe the worst defender in nba history. Bam can't shoot. Miami got the finals cause they do all the little shit that portland is abotu to do this year. Take charges. Dive for loose balls. Get rebounds. Defend 1 on 1 without fouling. They really only had maybe 2 snipers on that team, Robinson and Herro, both of whom are much worse shooters than Lillard. Robinson can't even generate his own offense, he needs to be wide open to score.

I was referring to Herro/ Strus/ Robinson. They're all elite shooters and a big part of the HEAT identity. They make it easy for Butler similar to how the Warriors shooters make it easy for Wiggins. Butler & Wiggins of course played together for the T'Wolves and got trounced in the first round by Harden's Rockets. Didn't have good shooters around them then.

[IBetYou]

Strange how they just plucked a pair of elite shooters out of the GLeague..... Celtics doing it this year with Hauser, and the Lakers with Ryan. These guys aren't getting drafted. Teams will take a chance on an athletic guy with horrible skill level but not a highly skilled guy with substandard athleticism because they'll view him having a low ceiling. Bogus.