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  • stevenash
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    • 01-17-11
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    #176
    Originally posted by thomorino
    1st quarter winner


    boooooooom

    Aaron Jones is the best running back in the league, far better receiver than henry
    Is there no limit to your stupidity.
    Jones isn’t even better than Kamara.

    You don’t watch much football do you?
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    • Kermit
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 09-27-10
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      #177
      Originally posted by thomorino
      True about Chubb leading the league in rushing but that’s because Cleveland runs more than most games.
      It makes it harder to run the ball when there is no real QB threat too.
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      • thomorino
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        • 06-01-17
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        #178
        Originally posted by stevenash
        Is there no limit to your stupidity.
        Jones isn’t even better than Kamara.

        You don’t watch much football do you?
        Kamara isn’t big enough to carry the ball as much as Jones which is why he shares carries with Murray. I disagree parasite.

        People making 10 million a year also don’t live in 1 million dollar homes.
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        • thomorino
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          #179
          Originally posted by stevenash
          Is there no limit to your stupidity.
          Jones isn’t even better than Kamara.

          You don’t watch much football do you?
          Jones has averaged more yards per carry every year than Kamara.


          Booooooooooom

          Kamara gets more attention because the media promotes the bullshit narrative that Rodgers is so great no one who produces on that team other than him are anything special.
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          • thomorino
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            #180
            Originally posted by Kermit
            It makes it harder to run the ball when there is no real QB threat too.
            Chubb is good runner for sure, Jones is a much better receiver though.
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            • stevenash
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              • 01-17-11
              • 65254

              #181
              Originally posted by thomorino
              Kamara isn’t big enough to carry the ball as much as Jones which is why he shares carries with Murray. I disagree parasite.

              People making 10 million a year also don’t live in 1 million dollar homes.
              You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

              Kamara and Jones had the same amount of carries goin in today’s game.

              Yoir ignorance knows no bounds.
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              • stevenash
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                • 01-17-11
                • 65254

                #182
                Originally posted by thomorino
                Chubb is good runner for sure, Jones is a much better receiver though.
                Is Jones a better receiver than Kamara?
                And if so, how exactly?
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                • thomorino
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                  #183
                  Originally posted by stevenash
                  You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

                  Kamara and Jones had the same amount of carries goin in today’s game.

                  Yoir ignorance knows no bounds.
                  That means nothing, In talking about 3 years not 11 games, and Kamara isn’t a full time running back, the only reason Kamara got more carries this year is because of injuries.


                  Again, Jones has averaged more yards per carry every single year than Kamara, end of argument dumb shit.
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                  • thomorino
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                    #184
                    Originally posted by stevenash
                    Is Jones a better receiver than Kamara?
                    And if so, how exactly?
                    I didn’t say Jones is a better receiver than Kamara, he’s used differently in a different system.

                    He is the better running back which is why he has averaged more per carry every year, I was comparing Jones and Chubb as receivers.
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                    • thomorino
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                      • 06-01-17
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                      #185
                      Originally posted by stevenash
                      Is Jones a better receiver than Kamara?
                      And if so, how exactly?
                      And you said you weren’t going to argue with me anymore, seems like you are obsessed with me dumb shit.
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                      • stevenash
                        Moderator
                        • 01-17-11
                        • 65254

                        #186
                        Originally posted by thomorino
                        And you said you weren’t going to argue with me anymore, seems like you are obsessed with me dumb shit.
                        I wasn’t going to argue with you anymore until you made a ludicrous statement that could not have gone unchallenged,

                        So, if Jones is a better all around back than Kamara and you can make your point with facts without using pejoratives I give you my word I’ll leave you be.
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                        • thomorino
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                          • 06-01-17
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                          #187
                          Originally posted by stevenash
                          I wasn’t going to argue with you anymore until you made a ludicrous statement that could not have gone unchallenged,

                          So, if Jones is a better all around back than Kamara and you can make your point with facts without using pejoratives I give you my word I’ll leave you be.
                          Jones has averaged more yards per carry every year you parasite.
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                          • thomorino
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                            • 06-01-17
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                            #188
                            The media narrative that’s bullshit is that Rodgers has no help and he makes everyone look good when adams and jones are both elite.
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                            • stevenash
                              Moderator
                              • 01-17-11
                              • 65254

                              #189
                              Originally posted by thomorino
                              Jones has averaged more yards per carry every year you parasite.
                              That's not true.

                              Alvin Kamara not only had a better yards per carry average in 2017 than Aaron Jones in 2017 Alvin Kamara led the entire National Football League in yards per carry. As a matter of fact Kamara averaged over 6 yards per carry in 2017 and was the only back to do so.

                              Now factor in that Kamara is the superior pass receiving running back, who is the better overall running back?

                              Not who has a million dollar home, not who is the bigger running back, but the question is who is the better overall running back when you factor in rushing, pass receiving, and if you include who is the better blocking back? (Kamara is)

                              Don't tell me Jones is the better overall running back when the only edge he has is average yards per carry which is pretty much statistically even (5.1 vs. 4.9)
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                              • thomorino
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                                • 06-01-17
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                                #190
                                Originally posted by stevenash
                                That's not true.

                                Alvin Kamara not only had a better yards per carry average in 2017 than Aaron Jones in 2017 Alvin Kamara led the entire National Football League in yards per carry. As a matter of fact Kamara averaged over 6 yards per carry in 2017 and was the only back to do so.

                                Now factor in that Kamara is the superior pass receiving running back, who is the better overall running back?

                                Not who has a million dollar home, not who is the bigger running back, but the question is who is the better overall running back when you factor in rushing, pass receiving, and if you include who is the better blocking back? (Kamara is)

                                Don't tell me Jones is the better overall running back when the only edge he has is average yards per carry which is pretty much statistically even (5.1 vs. 4.9)
                                .2 yards is not insignificant and Jones is more durable getting more carries and the better runner, his average per carry is clearly better dumb shit.


                                As for receiving I’d give Kamara a slight edge over Jones as a receiver, but Jones is the better runner, more durable, better power, and that’s why he gets more carries and averages more, he’s bigger than Kamara, who wears down when he gets more than 15-20 carries a game.

                                The reason the Saints don’t give Kamara more carries is they have learned he’s not durable to get over 20 carries a game and stay healthy, he was hurt at the end of last year and has been hurt this year. Jones is the better and more durable runner.

                                You are wrong again dumb shit.
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                                • thomorino
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                                  • 06-01-17
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                                  #191
                                  Jones has also averaged nearly a half a yard more per carry every year more than Kamara, who also has had durability issues.

                                  The only reason Kamara is at 4.9 is because of his first year, every other year he’s been at 4.7 or lower, while Jones is almost always at 5 or higher, a clear distinction.

                                  Kamara only ran 120 times his rookie year, the year you misleadingly cite when he averaged 6 yards per carry, 120 carries for a full time back is very low and that’s why his yards per carry the last 3 full years is more relevant.
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                                  • stevenash
                                    Moderator
                                    • 01-17-11
                                    • 65254

                                    #192
                                    Morino, can you debate a subject without using pejoratives?

                                    Jones and Kamara both came into the league in 2017.
                                    This, the fourth year in the league both of them have averaged 11 carries a game.
                                    Both of them average almost the same yards per carry 5.1 to 4.9.
                                    2/10ths of a yard is what we pretty much a statistical dead heat.
                                    I guess we have a different definition of the word insignificant.

                                    We have established that Kamara is the better pass receiver and that is not even debatable.
                                    We have established Kamara is the better blocking back and that is not even debatable.

                                    Your point Jones is more durable is false as well.
                                    Kamara has missed a game and a half in his career due to injury.
                                    Jones has missed eight.

                                    Once again please tell me how exactly is Jones the better overall running back.
                                    Notice how in my last three posts I have argued facts without using pejoratives, you have not.

                                    One last item and don't lose sight of this fact.
                                    You are debating somebody who makes their living as a statistical I/T Operations Analyst.
                                    I've been doing it 25 years since college, I am considered one of the best at what I do.

                                    Your turn counselor.
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                                    • thomorino
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                                      • 06-01-17
                                      • 45842

                                      #193
                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                      Morino, can you debate a subject without using pejoratives?

                                      Jones and Kamara both came into the league in 2017.
                                      This, the fourth year in the league both of them have averaged 11 carries a game.
                                      Both of them average almost the same yards per carry 5.1 to 4.9.
                                      2/10ths of a yard is what we pretty much a statistical dead heat.
                                      I guess we have a different definition of the word insignificant.

                                      We have established that Kamara is the better pass receiver and that is not even debatable.
                                      We have established Kamara is the better blocking back and that is not even debatable.

                                      Your point Jones is more durable is false as well.
                                      Kamara has missed a game and a half in his career due to injury.
                                      Jones has missed eight.

                                      Once again please tell me how exactly is Jones the better overall running back.
                                      Notice how in my last three posts I have argued facts without using pejoratives, you have not.

                                      One last item and don't lose sight of this fact.
                                      You are debating somebody who makes their living as a statistical I/T Operations Analyst.
                                      I've been doing it 25 years since college, I am considered one of the best at what I do.

                                      Your turn counselor.
                                      No, Kamara averaged 6 yards one year and that skewed his average, he’s been at or below nearly every year, Jones has been at or above 5 every year. Jones is clearly the better runner. I give Kamara a slight edge receiving, but that’s mostly usages me system.
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                                      • thomorino
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                                        • 06-01-17
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                                        #194
                                        Kamara is also not more durable, he’s missed fewer games with injury because he’s used less, Jones gets more snaps.
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                                        • thomorino
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                                          • 06-01-17
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                                          #195
                                          Kamara is also not a good run in my back, he almost never stays in to block.
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                                          • thomorino
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                                            • 06-01-17
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                                            #196
                                            Originally posted by thomorino
                                            No, Kamara averaged 6 yards one year and that skewed his average, he’s been at or below nearly every year, Jones has been at or above 5 every year. Jones is clearly the better runner. I give Kamara a slight edge receiving, but that’s mostly usages me system.
                                            Kamara has been at or below 4.7 yards per carry all but 1 year, his first year when he only had 120 carries. Jones has averaged over 5 yards nearly every year, their is nearly a half yard per carry difference between them almost every year.
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                                            • thomorino
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                                              • 06-01-17
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                                              #197
                                              A final key point showing why Jones is clearly the better runner, Kamara hasn’t had a run over 50 yards in 3 years, Jones has had multiple runs over 50 yards, which is the main reason is yards per carry numbers are clearly better than Kamaras.

                                              Jones is the clearly better runner, Kamara is the slightly better receiver, Jones is better.
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                                              • thomorino
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                                                • 06-01-17
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                                                #198
                                                Titans team total over 30.5 -127

                                                risking 5.08 units to win 5
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                                                • juicername
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 10-14-15
                                                  • 6906

                                                  #199
                                                  Originally posted by thomorino
                                                  Jones has averaged more yards per carry every year you parasite.
                                                  Originally posted by thomorino
                                                  No, Kamara averaged 6 yards one year and that skewed his average, he’s been at or below nearly every year, Jones has been at or above 5 every year. Jones is clearly the better runner. I give Kamara a slight edge receiving, but that’s mostly usages me system.
                                                  Hamburger of the year right here.

                                                  Also still no charges in the Taylor case.
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                                                  • thomorino
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                                                    • 06-01-17
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                                                    #200
                                                    Originally posted by juicername
                                                    Hamburger of the year right here.

                                                    Also still no charges in the Taylor case.
                                                    Seems like you are angry after losing again dumb shit.
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                                                    • KnuckleHeadz
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 12-11-19
                                                      • 8195

                                                      #201
                                                      8 unit bangers starting Monday?
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                                                      • juicername
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 10-14-15
                                                        • 6906

                                                        #202
                                                        Originally posted by thomorino
                                                        Seems like you are angry after losing again dumb shit.
                                                        Won big today thanks you, check the fade thread.
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                                                        • thomorino
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                                                          • 06-01-17
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                                                          #203
                                                          Originally posted by juicername
                                                          Won big today thanks you, check the fade thread.
                                                          I had a winning week in college football, you are a bad liar, I went 3-2 and was positive for units.

                                                          Again, you will never post and track your supposed fades of me because it would show you are a fraud and you are a coward dumb shit.
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                                                          • thomorino
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                                                            • 06-01-17
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                                                            #204
                                                            Originally posted by KnuckleHeadz
                                                            8 unit bangers starting Monday?
                                                            I increased my bet size since I have more information now then at the beginning of the year dumb shit.
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                                                            • juicername
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 10-14-15
                                                              • 6906

                                                              #205
                                                              Originally posted by thomorino
                                                              I increased my bet size since I have more information now then at the beginning of the year dumb shit.
                                                              Unlike the bookmakers who are now completely in the dark, not having the same sophisticated software this professional bettor has at his disposal.

                                                              Everyone knows that the market is getting more efficient the more information is available, and you are still not beating a single closing line.

                                                              You wouldn't increase the bet size if you were not stuck like a pick, it's a classic noob chase and everyone can recognize it as such.
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                                                              • juicername
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 10-14-15
                                                                • 6906

                                                                #206
                                                                Originally posted by thomorino
                                                                I had a winning week in college football, you are a bad liar, I went 3-2 and was positive for units.

                                                                Again, you will never post and track your supposed fades of me because it would show you are a fraud and you are a coward dumb shit.
                                                                I went big on Northwestern, Tulsa and Clemson. Didn't bother with the rest.
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                                                                • thomorino
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                                                                  • 06-01-17
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                                                                  #207
                                                                  Kamara over 48.5 yards receiving -137 risking 2.74 units to win 2
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                                                                  • Kermit
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 09-27-10
                                                                    • 32555

                                                                    #208
                                                                    Originally posted by thomorino
                                                                    Kamara over 48.5 yards receiving -137 risking 2.74 units to win 2
                                                                    Smart play with Thomas out.
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                                                                    • thomorino
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                                                                      • 06-01-17
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                                                                      #209
                                                                      Originally posted by juicername
                                                                      Unlike the bookmakers who are now completely in the dark, not having the same sophisticated software this professional bettor has at his disposal.

                                                                      Everyone knows that the market is getting more efficient the more information is available, and you are still not beating a single closing line.

                                                                      You wouldn't increase the bet size if you were not stuck like a pick, it's a classic noob chase and everyone can recognize it as such.
                                                                      The books use software and numbers to build spreads, which you can’t do efficiently in a sport with a 16 game regular season dumb shit. No one thinks baseball lines are very sharp 2 weeks into the season and 2 weeks in they have played a full season of football games.
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                                                                      • thomorino
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                                                                        #210
                                                                        Originally posted by juicername
                                                                        I went big on Northwestern, Tulsa and Clemson. Didn't bother with the rest.
                                                                        You are a coward who posts nothing before the game and tracks nothing dumb shit.
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