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  • Easy-Rider 66
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 02-14-12
    • 36097

    #351
    Originally posted by Chi_archie
    But what would a typical payout be. Let's assume you picked all chalk with horses like 5/2, 2/1, 3/5, 3/1?
    tough to say think it depends on how many other players have the combo correct.
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    • Chi_archie
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-22-08
      • 63165

      #352
      Originally posted by TheLock
      Arch, I just got word from a guy up top.....

      He said 50 cent Pick 4’s are square sucker bets.

      No offense to anyone just relaying info down the chain.


      My mission this week is to learn as much as I can about the ponies.

      yeah I’m an amateur and I mostly bet to win or win/place/show but sometimes bet an exacta or trifecta

      no real interest in the pick 3s and 4s
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      • Easy-Rider 66
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 02-14-12
        • 36097

        #353
        Laurel Park has now cancelled racing for today not sure long term but soon it will all be shut down imo.
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        • unusialsusp5
          SBR MVP
          • 04-18-10
          • 4198

          #354
          Originally posted by Chi_archie
          But what would a typical payout be. Let's assume you picked all chalk with horses like 5/2, 2/1, 3/5, 3/1?
          it would depend on field size in the 4 races. the more horses in the sequence the higher the payout even with 4 chalks. conversely, if the fields are all short, 6 or less it would be less. an average payout for the odds you listed would be somewhere around 25.00 for .50. you have to have a price horse or two in there in the 6-1 to 9-1 range or higher to get more. if your price horse defeats a heavy favorite in any of the legs you have wiped out players who singled that particular favorite to save money. i would not play this type of bet if you are a novice. this is horizontal multiple wagering and you are at the mercy of the track who select the races in the sequence. usually there is a maiden race involved in these and most of the horses might not have ever run in a race. i would play vertical wagering in individual races with at least 8 horses and with past performance lines. this would involve picking a winner and the putting other horses underneath that you think will finish 2nd exactas, 3rd trifectas, 4th superfectas. you can play any of these or all of these in any given race. your result is immediate and you can move on to the next race to reinvest your winnings or chase your losses.
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          • Chi_archie
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-22-08
            • 63165

            #355
            Ok thanks for that explanation

            With pick 4s and such you can pick multiple horses for races though right?

            so does that affect your potential payout or just the cost to make the bet?
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            • unusialsusp5
              SBR MVP
              • 04-18-10
              • 4198

              #356
              Originally posted by Chi_archie
              Ok thanks for that explanation

              With pick 4s and such you can pick multiple horses for races though right?

              so does that affect your potential payout or just the cost to make the bet?
              of course you can play every horse in every leg and guarantee that you will hit it but don't. 2x3x2x1 would cost 6.00 for a .50 bet for example. just multiply the number of horses that you play in first leg x the number in 2nd leg and so forth and divide by 2. once again this is a frustrating but exciting bet if you can make it to the fourth leg and then see your payout on the will pays in advance. it seems it is remarkably easy to get 3 out of 4 which means you lost out on your 3 winners totally unless you played individually in their designated races. it can save you money by if you get "alive" as the 4 races unfold since you probably will just wait it out. an experienced player will play the pick 4 and also bet vertically or a win bet too. as an ancient person i find it hard to believe that anyone born after 1980 has no clue about this gambling venue. yes, they have heard about it and know it exists but sports betting has taken over. between i'd say 1962-1990 this was the only game in town legally. people used to flock to the track in droves you couldn't get a seat in the grandstand and now you would be the only one sitting there if they haven't closed it off. of course home betting and off track parlors totally eliminated the need to actually go unless you want to see it live. full card simulcasting which didn't exist before 1985 has offered players many more options along with expanded types of wagering.
              Last edited by unusialsusp5; 03-20-20, 09:22 AM. Reason: popularity of horse race betting
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              • Foxx
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 05-25-11
                • 5830

                #357
                South Africa in the last race at Fairview (Race8), I like the #3 Beethoven. Win and Place. Should be 3/1 or so.

                I'm due. Go get some.
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                • harthebar
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-09-11
                  • 15704

                  #358
                  Originally posted by TheLock
                  Harthy, I’ve never bet ponies (I’m an MLB guy) but I’ve always been intrigued by ponies.

                  Could you elaborate on what a 50 cent pick 4 is? I could Google it but I’d like to hear more about it from a SBR guy.

                  Harthy, I NEED SOME ACTION, PAL.

                  MLB is dead in the water till at least the end of June.
                  Pick 4 is picking the winning horse in 4 straight race
                  All tracks start there pick 4 different races. But most pick 4 are the last 4 races of the day for that track.
                  You can pick more then one horse in each race example
                  123/45/65431/27
                  3x2 is 6 x5is 30x2 is 60. Then divide by 2 cost would 30 for a 50 cent pick 4
                  But when you bet the price of ticket will show
                  In your case since you don't handicapp put a few favorites in then a long shot like 10 to 1 gulustre am yesterday pick pick 5 paid 52,000 for 50 cent.
                  I would get everyone picks. Then toss in a few. Hope that makes sense. Some tracks do 50 cent pick 3. 20 cent pick 4. Canada tracks do that
                  To figure the price of the cost
                  3x2x5x2. Feel free with anything else. We all have time on our hand
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                  • harthebar
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 12-09-11
                    • 15704

                    #359
                    Originally posted by biggie12
                    veey simple.

                    Team A vs Team B


                    Pinnacle odds

                    team A -105 team b -105

                    random euro book

                    team a -120 team b +110

                    Bet team a at pinnacle

                    bet team b at Euro book

                    goal is not to get rich just take small profits daily.

                    Have to take into account u will need to use books offering free withdrawls and deposits because u will have to move around money frequently if you dont have a huge bankroll
                    Biggie. It's like trying to middle. So I bet team A at pinnacle at -105. Team B at euro +110 so team B wins. I win 5.00. If pinnacle wins I'm even. All for 100 action
                    So you play for 1000. You win 50 how often do you get that. And you would need at least 4 books. Need patience lot 's of people do this. ? I can't use these over sea books. It's a pain to get paid
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                    • Chi_archie
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 07-22-08
                      • 63165

                      #360
                      what tracks you betting today, Harter?
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                      • harthebar
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 12-09-11
                        • 15704

                        #361
                        Oaklawn
                        Gp
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                        • Easy-Rider 66
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 02-14-12
                          • 36097

                          #362
                          Originally posted by harthebar
                          Oaklawn
                          Gp
                          gp not running today Hart.
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                          • harthebar
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-09-11
                            • 15704

                            #363
                            Tampa. I like a horse. Maybe Santa anita
                            I'm shocked that is still open considering they are say 70% of calif will get the v-19
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                            • harthebar
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-09-11
                              • 15704

                              #364
                              Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                              gp not running today Hart.
                              When they cancel
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                              • Easy-Rider 66
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 02-14-12
                                • 36097

                                #365
                                Originally posted by harthebar
                                When they cancel
                                announced yesterday I think. putting new protocols in place. plan on resuming SAT. Have my doubts though.
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                                • harthebar
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 12-09-11
                                  • 15704

                                  #366
                                  Going to single drill bit in late pick 4 at tampa
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                                  • harthebar
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 12-09-11
                                    • 15704

                                    #367
                                    Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                    announced yesterday I think. putting new protocols in place. plan on resuming SAT. Have my doubts though.
                                    Yea. Think it's a matter of time. Just going to get my points put it all on oNE race.
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                                    • Easy-Rider 66
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 02-14-12
                                      • 36097

                                      #368
                                      Originally posted by harthebar
                                      Yea. Think it's a matter of time. Just going to get my points put it all on oNE race.
                                      2k to 4K cap on SBR book for ponies.
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                                      • harthebar
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-09-11
                                        • 15704

                                        #369
                                        Just messing.
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                                        • harthebar
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 12-09-11
                                          • 15704

                                          #370
                                          Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                          2k to 4K cap on SBR book for ponies.
                                          Looks like you can use some. I'm going to win them back anyway
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                                          • Easy-Rider 66
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 02-14-12
                                            • 36097

                                            #371
                                            Originally posted by harthebar
                                            Looks like you can use some. I'm going to win them back anyway
                                            ok Hart thx a lot. lost all my points yesterday. think I will put 100 on Drill to win if it hits will hit you back with a 100.
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                                            • Easy-Rider 66
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 02-14-12
                                              • 36097

                                              #372
                                              Ticket#:4423928
                                              Mar 20 11:28 AM
                                              Mar 20 11:28:09 AM
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                                              Racing ticket #302949
                                              Mar-20 TAM R6 119.00 SBR WIN 4

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                                              • harthebar
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 12-09-11
                                                • 15704

                                                #373
                                                Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                                Ticket#:4423928
                                                Mar 20 11:28 AM
                                                Mar 20 11:28:09 AM
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                                                Racing ticket #302949
                                                Mar-20 TAM R6 119.00 SBR WIN 4

                                                119.00 / 0.00
                                                Going for it
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                                                • harthebar
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 12-09-11
                                                  • 15704

                                                  #374
                                                  Originally posted by TheLock
                                                  Arch, I just got word from a guy up top.....

                                                  He said 50 cent Pick 4’s are square sucker bets.

                                                  No offense to anyone just relaying info down the chain.


                                                  My mission this week is to learn as much as I can about the ponies.
                                                  The guy up top. Who is that. I mean the safest play in all betting a show bet. If you want to grind it out.
                                                  On the other hand pick 4 bets they are tough going g to pay. But a guy once told me. If you like a 8 to 1 horse the o lt bet is a win bet. You don't need any exotic tic plays at that price. Each has there own play I don't think k you can cap a pi k 4. Tgere is always going to be a few horses that get in there. So you just toss numbers In. Gl to all think positive. Encourage these guys. They will have fun
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                                                  • harthebar
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 12-09-11
                                                    • 15704

                                                    #375
                                                    L1. 367
                                                    l2. 4
                                                    l3. 124
                                                    l4. 12369
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                                                    • biggie12
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 12-30-05
                                                      • 13788

                                                      #376
                                                      Originally posted by harthebar
                                                      Biggie. It's like trying to middle. So I bet team A at pinnacle at -105. Team B at euro +110 so team B wins. I win 5.00. If pinnacle wins I'm even. All for 100 action
                                                      So you play for 1000. You win 50 how often do you get that. And you would need at least 4 books. Need patience lot 's of people do this. ? I can't use these over sea books. It's a pain to get paid
                                                      No its not like trying to middle. On a middle you could lose money on juice. You cant lose money on an arb, unless u bet team A and site b changes odds before u bet on team b.

                                                      You would need every out you have access to not just 4.


                                                      u would not win $5 on example above your betting amount would be different for each wager on team a and b. I will let you figure out what that should be. It will give you something to think about.
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                                                      • Capybara
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 08-17-08
                                                        • 11803

                                                        #377
                                                        Originally posted by harthebar
                                                        L1. 367
                                                        l2. 4
                                                        l3. 124
                                                        l4. 12369
                                                        Har, sorry Boss, not really sure what track and what your bets are. My guess is Oaklawn since you had mentioned it, but do you mean Races 1-4 and then do you mean you're placing those exact horses to W-P-S or what?

                                                        Sorry to bother you, but hard to tail something like that post without a legend.
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                                                        • Ventura
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 09-06-17
                                                          • 226

                                                          #378
                                                          Originally posted by Capybara
                                                          Har, sorry Boss, not really sure what track and what your bets are. My guess is Oaklawn since you had mentioned it, but do you mean Races 1-4 and then do you mean you're placing those exact horses to W-P-S or what?

                                                          Sorry to bother you, but hard to tail something like that post without a legend.
                                                          I assume it’s the late pick 4 at Tampa
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                                                          • mcaulay777
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 09-13-10
                                                            • 1769

                                                            #379
                                                            Wow I cant believe I used to do this for a living I have not picked a winner in 2 days I just it a 9/5 shot at Oaklawn.The prob is im trying to beat the favorites and play prices which seems not to happen.If Gulfstream races Saturday im not printing pps im just picking the numbers off the board like I did during my old days in the 90.s at Phoenix greyhound park. One night I one a grand and never used a program. That happened several times. Tonight's movie feature Escape From New York!
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                                                            • harthebar
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 12-09-11
                                                              • 15704

                                                              #380
                                                              Originally posted by Ventura
                                                              I assume it’s the late pick 4 at Tampa
                                                              Sorry. Late pi k 4 tb
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                                                              • harthebar
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 12-09-11
                                                                • 15704

                                                                #381
                                                                Originally posted by biggie12
                                                                No its not like trying to middle. On a middle you could lose money on juice. You cant lose money on an arb, unless u bet team A and site b changes odds before u bet on team b.

                                                                You would need every out you have access to not just 4.


                                                                u would not win $5 on example above your betting amount would be different for each wager on team a and b. I will let you figure out what that should be. It will give you something to think about.
                                                                Ha ha. That was based on 100 bets -105 +110
                                                                Bet a 100 win 110. -5 0n other game. If other team win -105. You r even.
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                                                                • harthebar
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 12-09-11
                                                                  • 15704

                                                                  #382
                                                                  I suck. I can't believe that horse ran such a bad race it was like he didn't try from his last race. Maybe these closings is a message. Watch the other horse I posted will win. Sorry ez.
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                                                                  • Capybara
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 08-17-08
                                                                    • 11803

                                                                    #383
                                                                    Ugh, Drill Bit never in it.
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                                                                    • Easy-Rider 66
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 02-14-12
                                                                      • 36097

                                                                      #384
                                                                      Originally posted by harthebar
                                                                      I suck. I can't believe that horse ran such a bad race it was like he didn't try from his last race. Maybe these closings is a message. Watch the other horse I posted will win. Sorry ez.
                                                                      no worries Hart can not win them all. Thx for bankrolling the play. better luck next time.
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                                                                      • harthebar
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 12-09-11
                                                                        • 15704

                                                                        #385
                                                                        Ticket#:4423995
                                                                        Mar 20 04:05 PM
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                                                                        Racing ticket #303016
                                                                        Mar-20 OAK R4 100.00 SBR WIN 3

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