13pts - 3RB - 4 AST: NBA Hall Of Fame Worthy? 🤔

**cincinnatikid513** · 07-05-19, 08:54 AM

is tony parker hall of fame worthy

**Hman** · 07-05-19, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by cincinnatikid513

is tony parker hall of fame worthy

Much more than the guy above wouldn't you agree?

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 07-05-19, 09:05 AM

Ginobili is absolutely a HOFer

don't forget he willingly came off the bench when he could have been a starter and his stats no doubt suffered

**Cuse0323** · 07-05-19, 09:06 AM

Manu deserves a deeper look than just stats. Basketball HOF easier to get in than others. I think he’s a HOFer, yes.

**Hman** · 07-05-19, 09:13 AM

Someone sarcastically posted this on Twitter:

Congratulations to Manu Ginobili on a great career

0 1st team All-NBA
0 2nd team All-NBA
0 seasons of 20 ppg
0 seasons of 5 rpg
0 seasons of 5 apg
2x All-Star (tied with the likes of David Lee, Brad Miller, and Zydrunas Ilgauskas)

**gauchojake** · 07-05-19, 09:19 AM

Is Vinnie Johnson in the HOF? No. Should Manu be? No. The only other consideration is that Manu played internationally and the Basketball HOF is not the NBA HOF so other accomplishments are considered. A quick look at his stats say no.

**PanamaBrad** · 07-05-19, 09:20 AM

no, but close

**JIBBBY** · 07-05-19, 09:21 AM

He was pretty clutch and won championships.. His stats are misleading.. Gaaaanooooobli!!!

**Cuse0323** · 07-05-19, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by gauchojake

Is Vinnie Johnson in the HOF? No. Should Manu be? No. The only other consideration is that Manu played internationally and the Basketball HOF is not the NBA HOF so other accomplishments are considered. A quick look at his stats say no.

Yep. This is why he gets in. They look at basketball as a whole, not just the NBA. He was a HOF basketball player in my eyes.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 07-05-19, 09:24 AM

you can;t just look at stats in this case

look at all the championships that he was a vital part of

he is the epitome of team player and intangibles and a winner

for me, he is a no doubter

**Hman** · 07-05-19, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by gauchojake

Is Vinnie Johnson in the HOF? No. Should Manu be? No.

I was trying to think of other flashy players who had certain moments that stand out, which contributes to peoples memories & opinions, who aren't in or won't get in, and The Microwave is a good one.

Early 'experts' say Blake Griffin won't get in but I'd put him in above Manu.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 07-05-19, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Hman

I was trying to think of other flashy players who had certain moments that stand out, which contributes to peoples memories & opinions, who aren't in or won't get in, and The Microwave is a good one.

Early 'experts' say Blake Griffin won't get in but I'd put him in above Manu.

that is laughable

**kingdom** · 07-05-19, 09:32 AM

it's kind of like the edelman argument in football. these guys are fortunate to be on great teams and perform well in big moments, but are just a notch below hall of famers. if he had a niche like rodman with rebounding or all defense it would work in his favor, but he doesn't.

**Cuse0323** · 07-05-19, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

that is laughable

Am I reading that right? Blake Griffin? What...no Manu, but we’re putting in Blake.

**gauchojake** · 07-05-19, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Hman

I was trying to think of other flashy players who had certain moments that stand out, which contributes to peoples memories & opinions, who aren't in or won't get in, and The Microwave is a good one.

Early 'experts' say Blake Griffin won't get in but I'd put him in above Manu.

I am a die hard Lakers fan so seeing either The Microwave or that beak out on the court was not good - they always hit the big shots. The HOF to me though is pretty simple - if I have to think about it, it's a no.

Byron Scott and Michael Cooper were 2 other guys (biased obv) who had lots of chips but were just on the cusp. Coop was 8x all defensive team, 5x champ, and def poty. If that's not HOF worthy, how do you put Ginobli in?

**jtoler** · 07-05-19, 09:42 AM

tough one but there's guys in I dont agree with and there will be more I dont agree with

**IBetYou** · 07-05-19, 09:43 AM

One of the all time greats, so yes he should be in. The HOF also factors in FIBA basketball. He has Olympic Gold and a World Cup Gold to his name -not just an NBA world champion but a real world champion.

**Hman** · 07-05-19, 09:44 AM

Blake Griffin: Career

PTS
21.9

TRB
9.0

AST
4.5

6x All Star
NBA Rookie of Year
Even more exciting a player than Manu

How is it crazy??

**Cuse0323** · 07-05-19, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Hman

Blake Griffin: Career

PTS
21.9

TRB
9.0

AST
4.5

6x All Star
NBA Rookie of Year
Even more exciting a player than Manu

How is it crazy??

He scores 18 of the 22 on dunks. Easy to put up rebounding numbers when teams don’t hit the offensive glass. Inflated stats that don’t tell the whole story.

**Hman** · 07-05-19, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Cuse0323

He scores 18 of the 22 on dunks. Easy to put up rebounding numbers when teams don’t hit the offensive glass. Inflated stats that don’t tell the whole story.

So he's penalized the way he scores lol?

How about Shaq then?

so we can use the argument that sh!tty stats don't matter with manu but good stats don't count as positive for other players??

LoL okay

Then it was easy for Manu on a team always surrounded with talent.

**Cuse0323** · 07-05-19, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Hman

So he's penalized the way he scored lol?

How about Shaq then?

Not even close on a comparison. Shaq wasn’t running the floor getting lobs. If he dunked, he worked for it with actual offensive moves.

**Cuse0323** · 07-05-19, 09:51 AM

The argument is that stats aren’t the determining factor either way. Stats lie. 22 and 9 doesn’t put you in the Hall, and 13/3/4 doesn’t exclude you from the Hall.

**DrunkHorseplayer** · 07-05-19, 11:02 AM

He's not even close. The HOF isn't for clutch players, great teammates, guys who sacrificed, et al; it's for players who are supremely talented even by elite standards. The number of rings is irrelevant (John Stockton, Karl Malone, etc.); Tim Duncan is a HOFer, Giobili and Parker are not.

**GzaTheGenius** · 07-05-19, 11:05 AM

Just for the bare handed bat grabs ill put him in there

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 07-05-19, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer

He's not even close. The HOF isn't for clutch players, great teammates, guys who sacrificed, et al; it's for players who are supremely talented even by elite standards. The number of rings is irrelevant (John Stockton, Karl Malone, etc.); Tim Duncan is a HOFer, Giobili and Parker are not.

Dennis Rodman, Dennis Johnson(14ppg), Joe Dumars(16ppg) are in the HOF and actually prove your criteria wrong, without any rings none of them would be in.

**thomorino** · 07-05-19, 12:21 PM

Almost everyone gets into the hall of fame that is even good, Ginobli was the closer for the Spurs in huge games and his numbers are skewed because of how long he played and his early struggles. Ginoboli also played when NBA games were frequently played in the 80s and 90s. His playoffs resume is good enough to get him into a hall of fame with a low standard.

**thetrinity** · 07-05-19, 12:22 PM

No such thing as nba hall of fame

He beat the USA so he’ll get in

**thomorino** · 07-05-19, 12:23 PM

You can't compare stats across different eras, if Ginobli played now he'd average almost 20 a game, and he was the closer for a Spurs team that won 5 titles, Duncan was great but never a closer, Parker couldn't close either because of his size.

**rm18** · 07-05-19, 12:24 PM

He is a Hofer if he never played a game in the NBA based on just Argentinian national team play.

**jjgold** · 07-05-19, 12:25 PM

He is not a hall of famer

Halls all jokes now and watered down

**DiggityDaggityDo** · 07-05-19, 12:27 PM

His bald spot should be in the HOF.

**bigtymer56** · 07-05-19, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Hman

Are these career averages REALLY Hall Of Fame numbers???

Some argue more should be factored in besides numbers, but stats should still top the list.

Career: Manu Ginobili

Two things.

Like multiple people have said its not the NBA Hall of Fame. You have to factor in the Olympics and the stuff he did in Europe before even coming to the NBA.

Second, he's a prime example of why you can't just look at stats. Guy sacrificed for the good of the team. The most shots he took per game for a season 13.3. Hard to average over 20 doing that.

**Booya711** · 07-05-19, 01:11 PM

just like youth sports today....pretty soon everyone that participates in basketball will be a HOFer

**thomorino** · 07-05-19, 01:19 PM

Ginobli played well past his prime, that's why his stats don't look great, he got 10 million a year to play so you can't blame him but he played well past his prime. Guys like Dumars and Isiah Thomas retired very quickly after their prime so their stats look better. If Ginobli had retired at age 33-34 he'd have averaged around 15 a game and everyone would remember his great playoff performances. Its been so long since the Spurs were dominant most have forgotten how critical he was on a Spurs team that won 5 titles.