Who was the last long shot pre season Heisman winner???

**RudyRuetigger** · 07-31-17, 05:50 PM

seaborne you seem to win a lot of futures

but no one bumps your losses

so maybe that is why it seems you are up a million dollars

**Sam Odom** · 07-31-17, 05:53 PM

how far can UCLA go ?

LSU will need to win the West

**jjgold** · 07-31-17, 05:54 PM

Heisman winner comes Out of USC

**unde0087** · 07-31-17, 05:54 PM

Derwin James, he will make Jabrill Peppers last years stats look like a fukin joke

**Sam Odom** · 07-31-17, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Heisman winner comes Out of USC

**Cardinals01** · 07-31-17, 06:11 PM

Last long shot to win the Heisman was last year with Lamar Jackson. This year possibly Francois or Faulk.

**seaborneq** · 07-31-17, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Cardinals01

Last long shot to win the Heisman was last year with Lamar Jackson. This year possibly Francois or Faulk.

That's right. He was 100-1 at one point last year. Good recall. Andrew Luck and deshaun Watson finished runner up twice without winning. Unreal

**gojetsgomoxies** · 08-01-17, 04:33 PM

it seems tons of heisman finalists come out of relatively nowhere........... someone like phil steele has huge lists of potential candidates but then there are still finalists who aren't on those list.

someone like sam darnold is interesting. seems like such an obvious and popular choice BUT he will need good stats and an almost undefeated team. effiicent winning QB i don't think gets it done.

**ChiTownTeaBagger** · 08-01-17, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Cardinals01

Last long shot to win the Heisman was last year with Lamar Jackson. This year possibly Francois or Faulk.

Who is Faulk? Or did you mean Falk from Wazzou? Either way, can't see it happening.

**thomorino** · 08-01-17, 04:45 PM

Darnold is a good heisman candidate besides the obvious reasons because USC's defense is garbage every year. No defense line and mediocre secondary - look at the Penn State game. Darnold should have great talent around him, but should also need to put up great stats because the defense likely won't be that good and the Pac-12 is definitely the second best conference for defense after the big 12. Jackson benefitted from how bad the defense was, he always needed to keep passing even in the 4th quarter.

**Cardinals01** · 08-08-17, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by ChiTownTeaBagger

Who is Faulk? Or did you mean Falk from Wazzou? Either way, can't see it happening.

Meant to say Falk, apologies. It's a long shot but it's a name I was throwing out as I think he has potential.

For ThoMorino - For the comment about Jackson, if anything he benefited from a terrible offensive line and being forced to run because the d-line was in the backfield as soon as the ball was snapped. Louisville statistically had a Top 20 defense last year, the last 3 games of the year the wheels fell off for everything. Having to pass in the 4th quarter is not correct, his crazy stats came the first 7 games of the year when Louisville was usually was at least 20 at half.

**daneblazer** · 08-08-17, 07:39 AM

Jameis

**rm18** · 08-08-17, 01:15 PM

Can't make this up Lamar was 250/1 last year.

**seaborneq** · 08-08-17, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by rm18

Can't make this up Lamar was 250/1 last year.

Can't make this shit up. Deshaun Watson should have won it last year. Pinball numbers for Jackson against Syracuse and little sisters of the Poor, and jack shit against LSU and Houston. Deshaun Watson won his division, conference and the National championship. And I am not bitter that I had a chunk of Deshaun Watson to win the Heisman before the season started.

**rm18** · 08-08-17, 01:51 PM

LSU game was after the voting, Mayfield should of got a lot more votes imo Watson threw a ton of picks.

**Cardinals01** · 08-08-17, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

Can't make this shit up. Deshaun Watson should have won it last year. Pinball numbers for Jackson against Syracuse and little sisters of the Poor, and jack shit against LSU and Houston. Deshaun Watson won his division, conference and the National championship. And I am not bitter that I had a chunk of Deshaun Watson to win the Heisman before the season started.

😂😂😂. I'll admit, many of his numbers came against inferior opponents. He also ran all over FSU last year and had a solid game against Clemson. I do find it surprising at the lack of respect he is getting as one of the best QB's in college football this year. He could have very strong numbers to start the year again (I expect him to continue, passing #'s will go up from last year). 3 of the first 5 opponents I would expect UL to put up at least 50 points

**Riders23** · 08-09-17, 05:51 PM

Guice should win the hesiman, I'm betting he gets better numbers than Henry when he won it. 25-1 currently at Caesars is a steal.

**seaborneq** · 08-09-17, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by rm18

LSU game was after the voting, Mayfield should of got a lot more votes imo Watson threw a ton of picks.

So was the national championship game, who played better in there post season game(s), Jackson or Watson. Who played the toughest teams all the way through, who actually won something tangible? I'm just saying the Heisman was won in September early October against inferior teams. Louisville would have gone 7-5 at best playing Clemson's schedule, maybe 6-6

**seaborneq** · 08-09-17, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Riders23

Guice should win the hesiman, I'm betting he gets better numbers than Henry when he won it. 25-1 currently at Caesars is a steal.

I like Guice too. I'll sprinkle a little on Darnold, Guice, and the kid QB's from Oklahoma and UCLA

**JMobile** · 08-09-17, 06:15 PM

Clayton Kershaw

**ZINISTER** · 08-11-17, 06:33 PM

Saquan? Barkley RB Penn St. looks like someone to take a Flyer on.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 08-11-17, 09:24 PM

Don't like Spreitzer, but I have to give him credit.

Last year, on air, he advocated LJackson as a good value Heisman bet. If he beat FlaSt or Clemson, he was on his way. Props on nice score.