Republican National Convention Live Thread

[khicks26]

There's no one to vote for. This RNC & the Pence pick for VP shows that Trump is about the same as Hilary. Both equal fear, war & corporate control of the government.

Unless Hilary gets serious & starts using the Sanders platform. Really don't matter who is Pres.

[Art Vandelay]

Not even his supporters loved his speech, they're just trolling

They know it was at absolute best, almost average. Most of us found it boring, redundant and vague

And to top it all off, he showed what a poor speaker he is

It was ALOT more pleasing than the shrieking that will spill out of the she-devil's mouth next week!

[brooks85]

There's no one to vote for. This RNC & the Pence pick for VP shows that Trump is about the same as Hilary. Both equal fear, war & corporate control of the government.

Unless Hilary gets serious & starts using the Sanders platform. Really don't matter who is Pres.

well, for you it is either yourself or chesire cat... so yeah, I can imagine why you hate this time of the year

[MoneyLineDawg]

There's no one to vote for. This RNC & the Pence pick for VP shows that Trump is about the same as Hilary. Both equal fear, war & corporate control of the government.

Unless Hilary gets serious & starts using the Sanders platform. Really don't matter who is Pres.

LOL Hillary using Goldman Sachs or Bernie Sanders platform hmmmm take a wild guess which wins over

Pence is just a puppet to appease the Republican Party

[khicks26]

well, for you it is either yourself or chesire cat... so yeah, I can imagine why you hate this time of the year

Shut Up Brooks, nobody cares what you have to say.

[ACoochy]

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/fact-check-donald-trump%E2%80%99s-speech-at-the-republican-national-convention/ar-BBuE7GG?li=AAgfYrC

Fact check: Donald Trump’s speech at the Republican National Convention

Donald Trump does not exactly have a record in public office that can be used to assess his likely performance going forward. Nor does he really have a policy platform in a traditional sense.
What he does is speak. A lot.

Trump’s words — at rallies, on television shows, and in press conferences — have been the alpha and omega of his campaign.

And his nomination acceptance speech, delivered Thursday night in Cleveland, is the biggest, most important speech he’s given yet.

Painting a bleak period of a nation facing a "moment of crisis," Trump pledged an emergency response to a growing set of threats to the physical security of everyday Americans as well as a broad range of economic woes. The speech featured striking claims about "chaos in our communities" and widespread violence, and a bold promise that "the crime and violence that afflict our communities will soon — and I mean very soon — come to an end."

"I will present the facts plainly and honestly," Trump said. But did he? We counted dozens of factual claims in the speech, and fewer than half scored as true or almost true. But there were also plenty of falsehoods, misleading or disputed claims, or baseless accusations.

Trump says: "Decades of progress made in bringing down crime are now being reversed by this administration’s rollback of criminal enforcement."

In fact: Crime has indeed plummeted for decades — a fact to keep in mind throughout Trump’s speech. The murder rate, for example, fell by more than half from a peak in 1980 (10.2 per 100,000 people) to a decades low in 2014 (4.5 per 100,000 people).

But there’s simply no evidence that a federal "rollback of criminal enforcement" has led to a reversal of those trends. The murder rate was at historic lows in 2014, and there aren’t full nationwide statistics for all of 2015 or even part of 2016 yet.

It’s also not clear that there’s been any rollback in law enforcement at all (Trump doesn’t name any specific policies), or whether any policy changes by the Obama administration would make any difference, since the overwhelming majority of policing is done at the local and state level. Research has found that shifts in policing were only a partial cause for the violent crime drop over the past 25 years, making it unlikely that any Obama policies would have a huge impact on the crime drop. —German Lopez

Ruling: Baseless

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Trump says: "Homicides last year increased by 17 percent in America’s 50 largest cities. That’s the largest increase in 25 years. In our nation’s capital, killings have risen by 50 percent. They are up nearly 60 percent in nearby Baltimore."

In fact: Trump is referring to research that found a 17 percent increase in homicides in large US cities, including alarming spikes in Washington, DC, and Baltimore. For DC, that sharp increase came between 2014 and 2015 — so far in 2016, murder is down 9 percent.

But what Trump leaves out is that one of the researchers behind this work, Richard Rosenfeld, has repeatedly said that it’s way too early to say whether this trend is applicable to the rest of the country or whether it truly indicates a reversal to the long-term violent crime drop of the past 25 years. And even if the nationwide murder rate increased by 17 percent in 2015, that rate would remain far, far below the peaks of the 1960s and '70s and below any period in the '90s. —German Lopez

Ruling: Misleading

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Trump says: "In the president’s hometown of Chicago, more than 2,000 have been the victims of shootings this year alone. And almost 4,000 have been killed in the Chicago area since he took office."

In fact: Trump is right that there have been more than 2,000 victims of shootings in 2016, and that there have been nearly 4,000 homicides in Chicago since Obama took office.

That said, there’s simply no evidence that "this administration’s rollback of criminal enforcement" caused violent crime to rise. And while it is true that America has more shootings than other developed nations, researchers generally attribute that to the country’s enormous number of guns, not law enforcement. —German Lopez

Ruling: True

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Trump says: "The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50 percent compared to this point last year."

In fact: This statistic apparently comes from an outdated, poorly worded USA Today headline . But according to the Officer Down Memorial Page , on-duty deaths of police officers are actually down 1 percent in 2016 compared to the same point in 2015. If this trend continues throughout the year, 2016 will be near a historic low for on-duty deaths. (This site tracks total deaths, not just killings, but there's no on-duty death tracker with 2016 data that solely tracks killings.)

It’s possible Trump is referring to the fact that on-duty deaths specifically from gunfire are up by 84 percent over the past year — which adds up to 31 on-duty deaths by gunfire so far this year.

All on-duty deaths are tragic. But despite Trump’s rhetoric painting the country as in a state of chaos, on-duty deaths remain rare, and 2016’s increase in gunfire deaths so far came after decades of decline. —German Lopez

Ruling: False

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Trump says: "Nearly 180,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records, ordered deported from our country, are tonight roaming free to threaten peaceful citizens."

In fact: There are indeed about 180,000 immigrants with criminal records still in the United States who have been ordered deported. But the assumption that all of them are "threaten[ing] peaceful citizens" is deeply questionable.

The federal government estimated in October 2015 that there are 918,369 immigrants living in the US who have been formally ordered to be deported by a judge. (Some of these immigrants have to stay in the US because there’s no diplomatic agreement to return them to their home countries; others may not know that a deportation order was ever signed against them; still others are fugitives from the law.) Of those, 179,027 had criminal convictions.

However, the government doesn’t specify what those convictions were for; in the past, many of the immigrants deported as "criminal aliens" had only been convicted of minor crimes, or had been convicted of entering or reentering the US illegally rather than of anything they’d done when in the US. —Dara Lind

Ruling: The statistic is true, the threat is questionable

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Trump says: "The number of new illegal immigrant families who have crossed the border so far this year already exceeds the entire total from 2015."

In fact: Trump is referring to the number of immigrants apprehended by Border Patrol agents. (In other words, the number of immigrants who’ve been caught.) These are people who have entered the US without papers, but they’re not necessarily "illegal"; it’s legal to cross into the US to request asylum, and that’s just what many families have done.

His numbers need closer scrutiny, though. So far in calendar year 2016 (as of June 30), 29,682 immigrants traveling as families have been apprehended — way fewer than the 53,840 members of family units apprehended over calendar year 2015.

So what’s he talking about? Donald Trump’s actually referring to fiscal year 2016 — which started in October of last year. So far in fiscal year 2016 (as of June 30) 51,152 members of "family units" have been apprehended by Border Patrol; in all of fiscal year 2015, only 39,838 members of family units were apprehended.

If you think in fiscal years, this might check out. But if you’re among the millions of Americans who think of years as calendar years, you’ll get the wrong impression here. —Dara Lind

Ruling: Misleading

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Trump says: "They are being released by the tens of thousands into our communities with no regard for the impact on public safety or resources. One such border-crosser was released and made his way to Nebraska. There, he ended the life of an innocent young girl named Sarah Root."

In fact: Immigrants caught by Border Patrol are deported (sometimes after serving a US prison term) unless they seek some form of legal status in the US, like asylum. But it can take years in court to determine whether they’re eligible for it, and in the meantime, many immigrants are in fact released into the community. This is especially likely for "unaccompanied alien children," since the Department of Health and Human Services doesn’t have the resources to care for the immigrants they’re charged with.

That’s what happened to Eswin Mejia, who was apprehended crossing the border in 2013, released into his brother’s custody later that year, and charged in February with felony motor vehicle homicide in Sarah Root’s death.

The reason that Trump is telling this story, of course, is to imply that all unauthorized immigrants are lawless. In fact, immigrants are less likely than citizens to commit crimes. But to Trump and his followers, the very fact that someone doesn’t yet have legal status in the US is proof that he’s on some level a criminal. — Dara Lind

Ruling: True

[brooks85]

Shut Up Brooks, nobody cares what you have to say.

lol comical how upset you get, what happened to bed time?

dog playing poker, keeping ya up? lol

[The Kraken]

lol look, kraken can't even stay true to his word for 15 mins. You've were exposed again for your misleading bs and you have no where to run.

You just got crossed over

i faked left and went right, you went left and then tripped over your own feet trying to keep up with me and ended up laying face down🙊😉, a fool

Be glad Brock has my attention now.

You're small potatoes now Brooks, you just have an opinion and an associates degree in life science

Brock can actually mush the entire country

I promise you this, if Brock stays on Hilary, Trump will win

[brooks85]

You just got crossed over

i faked left and went right, you went left and then tripped over your own feet trying to keep up with me and ended up laying face down, a fool

Be glad Brock has my attention now.

You're small potatoes now Brooks, you just have an opinion and an associates degree in life science

Brock can actually mush the entire country and future of the country

I promise you this, if Brock stays on Hilary, Trump will win

lol, yea a bunch of nonsense will save you from your embarrassment kraken, good idea!

[khicks26]

LOL Hillary using Goldman Sachs or Bernie Sanders platform hmmmm take a wild guess which wins over

Pence is just a puppet to appease the Republican Party

That's about all you can hope for & that she keeps her word. Or you can vote 3rd party.

Pence is the pick, the yes man to those that hold real power. Trump will be the face on the screen & the puppet. You can't tell me after the last 4 days of this garbage that guy don't know anything. He a fuking idiot.

[brooks85]

That's about all you can hope for & that she keeps her word. Or you can vote 3rd party.

Pence is the pick, the yes man to those that hold real power. Trump will be the face on the screen & the puppet. You can't tell me after the last 4 days of this garbage that guy know anything. He a fuking idiot.

says alice who has been WRONG the whole way...


you have zero idea what is going on and why people are supporting trump.

[khicks26]

lol comical how upset you get, what happened to bed time?

dog playing poker, keeping ya up? lol

12 year old Idiot.

[brooks85]

12 year old Idiot.

lol copying me, clockwork khicks.

[brooks85]

...

[The Kraken]

In all fairness Brooks, you do have a long history of poor reading comprehension

So you just might be the problem

[khicks26]

says alice who has been WRONG the whole way...


you have zero idea what is going on and why people are supporting trump.

People are pissed off & want good jobs. They want the government to work for them, not the billionaire clowns.

Now shut up 12 year old idiot.

[brooks85]

^lol again, no idea why people are supporting trump and still copying me. Clockwork khicks.

In all fairness Brooks, you do have a long history of poor reading comprehension

So you just might be the problem

says the liar who used logical fallacies and burden of proof AFTER me. Please post some more about reading comprehension so I can laugh at your hypocrisy.

[khicks26]

lol copying me, clockwork khicks.

Yeah I need you & your 12 year old Idiot wit. Get bent virgin boy.

[brooks85]

Yeah I need you & your 12 year old Idiot wit. Get bent virgin boy.

lol you just proved what an idiot you are in your own post. 12 year old wit, yeah the same kind who talk about virgins. Buried again khicks. You really should have went to bed.

[khicks26]

^lol again, no idea why people are supporting trump and still copying me. Clockwork khicks.



says the liar who used logical fallacies and burden of proof AFTER me. Please post some more about reading comprehension so I can laugh at your hypocrisy.

Well if you ever talked about the issues instead of pretending to. Maybe we would take you serious.

For now your a 12 year old virgin idiot.

[brooks85]

Well if you ever talked about the issues instead of pretending to. Maybe we would take you serious.

For now your a 12 year old virgin idiot.

lol Alice!!

I appreciate you keeping the clown show going tonight. Maybe you can find more things you haven't vetted to post like an uneducated sheep? Why am I asking? I know you will lol...

[khicks26]

lol you just proved what an idiot you are in your own post. 12 year old wit, yeah the same kind who talk about virgins. Buried again khicks. You really should have went to bed.

Your such an attention whore. Go get a hug from mommy.

[khicks26]

lol Alice!!

I appreciate you keeping the clown show going tonight. Maybe you can find more things you haven't vetted to post like an uneducated sheep? Why am I asking? I know you will lol...

Blah Blah Blah

[brooks85]

^yeah, khicks quotes whatever BS he sees on the internet... blah blah blah in response... again, you'd NEVER show your post history to your kids.

Your such an attention whore. Go get a hug from mommy.

says the clown who just said he was going to bed but couldn't... lol hilarious how transparent you are and the clown shown of you not being able to see it is really funny. Good stuff khicks.

[Jayvegas420]

says alice who has been WRONG the whole way...


you have zero idea what is going on and why people are supporting trump.

^lol again, no idea why people are supporting trump and still copying me. Clockwork khicks.



says the liar who used logical fallacies and burden of proof AFTER me. Please post some more about reading comprehension so I can laugh at your hypocrisy.

lol you just proved what an idiot you are in your own post. 12 year old wit, yeah the same kind who talk about virgins. Buried again khicks. You really should have went to bed.

You sir, have been warned.

[15805]

I turned on CNN for a change and found the most exasperating pundit I've ever listened to
Amanda something. A Cruz enthusiast, look Cruz is a troublemaker but this women is a
trainwreck she interrupts more than even Carly Fiorina did in the debates, & what is anyone
at this place & time defending Cruz who is history and slamming Ivanka Trump who made the best
introductory speech of anyone ever in primary politics. Good grief, if Cruz was as smart as
same said he was how in the world could he put up the likes of this Amanda person as a
spokeswomen.

Furthermore CNN I heard is fiinally improving their ratings it doesn't help having her
around, if I wanted the viewpoint of a Trump detractor I rather listen to Rachel Maddow
or Lawence O'Donnell. Even on this website D2bets has a better read on things than
Amanda all her comments are far more than 1 deviation from sensible

[jjgold]

I'm watching the speech for the third time

[ACoochy]

I turned on CNN for a change and found the most exasperating pundit I've ever listened to
Amanda something. A Cruz enthusiast, look Cruz is a troublemaker but this women is a
trainwreck she interrupts more than even Carly Fiorina did in the debates, & what is anyone
at this place & time defending Cruz who is history and slamming Ivanka Trump who made the best
introductory speech of anyone ever in primary politics. Good grief, if Cruz was as smart as
same said he was how in the world could he put up the likes of this Amanda person as a
spokeswomen.

Furthermore CNN I heard is fiinally improving their ratings it doesn't help having her
around, if I wanted the viewpoint of a Trump detractor I rather listen to Rachel Maddow
or Lawence O'Donnell. Even on this website D2bets has a better read on things than
Amanda all her comments are far more than 1 deviation from sensible

Agree...

Ivanka could potentially be a Hilary speechwriter

[ACoochy]

The clown basically promised everything short of curing cancer

Guys a fear mongering salesman and what a extraordinary worry into the psyche of the American people..

[sneakerhead]

Cooch how do we make America again? Trump is the answer, he will cure cancer too just watch!

[ACoochy]

Cooch how do we make America again? Trump is the answer, he will cure cancer too just watch!

I heard he's promised to open his next Trump hotel on Mars..

Seriously though I've always found being constructive far more beneficial than being destructive when dealing with pretty much every issue...

Trump sadly is the epitomy of destruction so that won't be happening anytime soon ifor he weasels his way in.

Also, in a global world let go of the whole 'greatest' mentality. Then again the sad reality is that the majority of Americans haven't even been outside of their state little known other countries...

Their own worse enemy...

[Dr.Gonzo]

The progs are scared.

Trump is right.

Democrats/Liberals are weak.

Search "I'm afraid Trump" on twitter, it's hilarious, grown men shaking in their boots.

[TheMoneyShot]

What a pu$$y USA we have now. After 8 years... people don't want to take the nipple out of their mouths. Bunch of pansies.

If you can't take 2 steps out of you door in the morning... and see the negativity in the last 8 years.... the Dems did their job... you are fukking brainwashed and/or brain-dead.

If Trump isn't elected... I'm considering getting the fuk out of here. Not putting up with this bullsh#$ in America anymore. This will simply by another 3rd world country in 8 more years.

I'll take my chances elsewhere.

[sneakerhead]

What a pu$$y USA we have now. After 8 years... people don't want to take the nipple out of their mouths. Bunch of pansies.

If you can't take 2 steps out of you door in the morning... and see the negativity in the last 8 years.... the Dems did their job... you are fukking brainwashed and/or brain-dead.

If Trump isn't elected... I'm considering getting the fuk out of here. Not putting up with this bullsh#$ in America anymore. This will simply by another 3rd world country in 8 more years.

I'll take my chances elsewhere.

you sound brain dead no offense.
We all want a change and that's what Obama ran his campaign on after your republican bush's 8 year disastrous regime. What did bush do again? Sole man responsible for all the foreign mess we are in now. Obama didn't do any better at cleaning up Bush's mess either.

Either way, trump inst the answer. Guy has no clue on foreign policy, haven't heard him say one meaningful thing yet from him. Only lets make America great again, and capitalizing on American fear. Trump is just gonna divide the country more and get us into more shit with foreign countries. Guy isn't even a successful businessman, how many times has he failed again? Bankruptcies? Lawsuits?
Dont like Hilary either by the way, she is a liar and a crook. But so are other politicians running this country.
A chance would be changing the political system from group up, removing lobbying and the two part system.

[mets119218]

Ivanka for president. Jesus she's a good speaker and not bad on the eyes. Got a feeling we will be seeing all the trump kids in politics for a while