USA vs. Portugal World Cup in game thread

**MoneyLineDawg** · 06-22-14, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by zizoudane10

Germany and USA both to advance is currently @1.36.

So US like -300 or so.....I guess considering there's a slimmm chance Germany can get knocked out as well

**BigDofBA** · 06-22-14, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by ChalkyDog

If Ghana draws, and we lose by 3 to germany - we don't advance.

If Ghana wins, we are in a world of shit.

USA has 4 points. Ghana has 1 point. Portugal has 1 point.

A draw is worth 1 point.

So if USA loses 25-0 and Ghana draws, Ghana will then have 2 points and USA will still have 4 points.

Learn math bro.

USA would have to lose by 2 and Ghana or Portugal would have to win big.

If USA can just keep it close or draw they advance.

I see know reason why Germany would try to win by 3-4 goals.

Likewise, Portugal is all but dead. If USA lose and Portugal wins, they will have to make up 5 goals.

**bob6199** · 06-22-14, 07:57 PM

lol, you ppl honestly think Germany will try? Why would they try they are tired they know a point gets them trough they will try and get 1 goal early then sit back and relax and know they will move on, Portugal will probably beat Ghana anyway considering Ghana's 2nd best player is out of the game.

**bob6199** · 06-22-14, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

USA has 4 points. Ghana has 1 point. Portugal has 1 point.

A draw is worth 1 point.

So if USA loses 25-0 and Ghana draws, Ghana will then have 2 points and USA will still have 4 points.

Learn math bro.

USA would have to lose by 2 and Ghana or Portugal would have to win big.

If USA can just keep it close or draw they advance.

I see know reason why Germany would try to win by 3-4 goals.

Likewise, Portugal is all but dead.

i am loving the Over for the Ghana game Portugal will be going all out to score in bunches i love the over for sure. I see Portugal scoring 2 in that game but i can't see Ghana getting 3. Could easily be a 4, 5 goal game

**BigDofBA** · 06-22-14, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by bob6199

i am loving the Over for the Ghana game Portugal will be going all out to score in bunches i love the over for sure. I see Portugal scoring 2 in that game but i can't see Ghana getting 3. Could easily be a 4, 5 goal game

Portugal probably wins 2-1 or 3-1 or the game ends like 2-2.

Any of those results and the USA is in the next round.

Germany probably won't even try.

What if Ghana wins and USA loses and the goal differential is the same? What's the tiebreaker then?

**MoneyLineDawg** · 06-22-14, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

Portugal probably wins 2-1 or 3-1 or the game ends like 2-2.

Any if hose results and the USA is in then next round.

Germany probably won't even try.

What is Ghana wins and USA lose and the goal differential is the same? What's the tiebreaker then?

Total Goals scored....if thats tied, then we win on the tiebreaker head to head

Right now we are +1 on them in GD and Goals Scored

**Cuse0323** · 06-22-14, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

Portugal probably wins 2-1 or 3-1 or the game ends like 2-2.

Any if hose results and the USA is in then next round.

Germany probably won't even try.

What is Ghana wins and USA lose and the goal differential is the same? What's the tiebreaker then?

I think if they score two goals more than us and win, they're in. We have one more goal than them which I believe is next after goal differential which is two right now. So, two more than us would tie differential and put them ahead in GS.

**BigDofBA** · 06-22-14, 08:05 PM

So if we lose by 1-0 and Ghana wins by 2 goals. We will be tied but Ghana wins the tiebreaker because they will have scored 5 total goals.

I am more worried about Portugal not showing up and losing like 3-1.

**bob6199** · 06-22-14, 08:07 PM

. Green means we advance, red means we are going home.

**Cuse0323** · 06-22-14, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

Total Goals scored....if thats tied, then we win on the tiebreaker head to head

Right now we are +1 on them in GD and Goals Scored

Yeah, that's right. I looked at GD and we have +1 to their -1 and came up with two in my head.

Yeah BigD, looks like that would be the case. Just hope Portugal wins or we draw and make it simple.

**gopolks** · 06-22-14, 08:10 PM

Gutted not because of any betting, but feel so sad for the usa right now.

**BigDofBA** · 06-22-14, 08:11 PM

Basically everything would have to go wrong for USA not to advance.

If you would have told people they would have 4 points and be in this position going into the final game we would have all taken it glady before the Cup.

Portugal should beat Ghana anyway but what is Portugal's mindset knowing they have little chance to advance?

Likewise, Germany has no need to push it.

**bob6199** · 06-22-14, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Cuse0323

Yeah, that's right. I looked at GD and we have +1 to their -1 and came up with two in my head.

Yeah BigD, looks like that would be the case. Just hope Portugal wins or we draw and make it simple.

Portugal loves wide open play, which Ghana will give them, plus Portugal's best players will be back for this one and Ghana's 2nd best player is out so i really don't like Ghana at all, so it will all be a moot point.

**MoneyLineDawg** · 06-22-14, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

Basically everything would have to go wrong for USA not to advance.

If you would have told people they would have 4 points and be in this position going into the final game we would have all taken it glady before the Cup.

Portugal should beat Ghana anyway but what is Portugal's mindset knowing they have little chance to advance?

Likewise, Germany has no need to push it.

It all adds up to what, about -300 for the US to advance at the moment....

I'll take a -300 Fav all day at this point.....Figured we'd be around +300 dog at best going into the Germany game before the tourney started

**Cuse0323** · 06-22-14, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by bob6199

Portugal loves wide open play, which Ghana will give them, plus Portugal's best players will be back for this one and Ghana's 2nd best player is out so i really don't like Ghana at all, so it will all be a moot point.

Agreed, I like Portugal to win. And to advance they need to put up goals, so unless they blow Ghana out we should be alright. Sick of thinking about it, wish we just finished today but shit happens and we'll be fine.

**tipsadontlikehim** · 06-22-14, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by warpednexus

Awesome game and to think the US would be advancing right now if they only added 4 minutes in the game.

why u guys are so worried ? germany USA 2-0 + portugal ghana 2-0 and still USA would qualify
no need to freak out

**BigDofBA** · 06-22-14, 08:18 PM

Just root for Portugal. If Ghana wins it could get dicey if USA loses.

2-1 Ghana and 1-0 Germany would put Ghana in the next round.

**bob6199** · 06-22-14, 08:21 PM

yea we have a 5 goal difference on Portgual and we have 2 more goals score so they would have to score 4 against Ghana and shut them out to advance, they are done

**tipsadontlikehim** · 06-22-14, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

It all adds up to what, about -300 for the US to advance at the moment....

I'll take a -300 Fav all day at this point.....Figured we'd be around +300 dog at best going into the Germany game before the tourney started

damn if i had this line i would bet big
no way USA doesnt qualify
i'll wait to see if Pinnacle offers the line

**BigDofBA** · 06-22-14, 08:22 PM

What if Ghana wins 1-0 and USA loses 1-0?

Then the goal differential will be the same and the total goals scored will be the same.

**tipsadontlikehim** · 06-22-14, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

What if Ghana wins 1-0 and USA loses 1-0?

Then the goal differential will be the same and the total goals scored will be the same.

maybe USA qualifies because they beat Ghana in their first match ?
anyone knows the rule ?

**MoneyLineDawg** · 06-22-14, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by BigDofBA

What if Ghana wins 1-0 and USA loses 1-0?

Then the goal differential will be the same and the total goals scored will be the same.

Then we advance....head to head

Basically we can't lose and have Ghana win while scoring 2 more goals than us if that makes sense

**BigDofBA** · 06-22-14, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by tipsadontlikehim

maybe USA qualifies because they beat Ghana in their first match ?
anyone knows the rule ?

That makes too much sense. Doesn't it go to a drawing or some shit? This is soccer after all.

**MoneyLineDawg** · 06-22-14, 08:26 PM

This scenario doesn't apply obviously but I wonder what would happen if everyone tied eachother 1-1 or some shit in every group game

**Mac4Lyfe** · 06-22-14, 08:27 PM

In my eyes, Ghana has played the best soccer in the group. They dominated us for 85 minutes and out played Germany too. They just can't seem to put the ball into the net. I think they beat the shit out of a tired Portugal.

I also think Germany will beat us as well. Huge advantage having a days rest and playing in cooler climates and not having to travel. Big hill to climb for USA. I have a bad feeling that Ghana screws us again.

**MoneyLineDawg** · 06-22-14, 08:27 PM

The tiebreaker really should be head to head before goals scored.....Such a shit rule

We'd be golden

**BigDofBA** · 06-22-14, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

This scenario doesn't apply obviously but I wonder what would happen if everyone tied eachother 1-1 or some shit in every group game

Lol.

Or if every game was 0-0. Lol

That would be awesome.

**JIBBBY** · 06-22-14, 08:29 PM

Go USA!!!! Take the tie... Germany got next on Thursday.. Tie, win and we advance!!!

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**tipsadontlikehim** · 06-22-14, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

This scenario doesn't apply obviously but I wonder what would happen if everyone tied eachother 1-1 or some shit in every group game

that happened before and guess what ......drawing lots, i am not joking (don't know if the rules changed since but it happened in the 80's IIRC)

**tipsadontlikehim** · 06-22-14, 08:38 PM

yeah i double checked and if everyone tied each other 1-1 in every group game = drawing lots
(yeah that's absolutely retarded)

**MoneyLineDawg** · 06-22-14, 08:41 PM

They should bring everyone in and have a 4 team penalty shootout tourney.....Drawing lots

**Mac4Lyfe** · 06-22-14, 08:43 PM

Just send in the Cleveland Cavaliers organization. No one is better at drawing ping pong balls.

Originally posted by tipsadontlikehim

yeah i double checked and if everyone tied each other 1-1 in every group game = drawing lots
(yeah that's absolutely retarded)

**tipsadontlikehim** · 06-22-14, 08:44 PM

or at least decide according to old H2H or something like that, but come on drawing lots...f/ckin retards

**zizoudane10** · 06-22-14, 09:03 PM

There still is a scenario, where drawing lots would be the case: Portugal wins 2:0 against Ghana, Germany wins 3:0 against US. Same goes for 3:0, 3:1 and 4:0, 3:2. In this scenario, Germany wins the group. Portugal and USA would both have 4 points and the exact same number of goals scored and conceided....
3:1 Ghana and 2:0 USA would mean USA is 1st and Germany and Ghana draw lots.

**tipsadontlikehim** · 06-22-14, 09:09 PM

indeed zizou

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