Let's hear it from the idiots thinking fixing doesn't happen.

[ChalkyDog]

UTEP in the shit now. Point shaving.

Morons got busted.

http://deadspin.com/it-looks-like-some-bad-shit-is-going-down-at-utep-1496263057

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/utep-3-basketball-players-involved-betting

So, let's hear, gents. Start talking about how fixing isn't real, how big time sports are above it all, yada yada yada.

Everything involving money is fixed.

[pavyracer]

If you think fixing is happening then take the points in every game.

[ChalkyDog]

If you think fixing is happening then take the points in every game.

Depends on who is the on fixing it. Refs, players, coaches, etc.

[Big Bear]

its mostly the refs i think

[SportsMushroom]

if people really believe that they lose money because of fixed games and still keep betting then they are idiots and get no sympathy from me, i hope the books take them to the cleaners



personally i believe that there is no fix, its against league interests to fix games as they would tarnish the image of their billion dollar product

pro athletes and refs get paid too much to be worth their while, yeah ive heard of donaghy but he was only one guy

i can see college athletes doing some point shaving because they dont get any money

but even then i believe that it evens out, people are on the fix just as much as they are on the other side

[tatddy]

No need to read this. Nothing now.

One thing I'll say is there's a big difference between saps at UTEP point shaving and the clowns on here that say multi-millionaire and playoff hunting Steph Curry is missing fts on purpose.

[TwoWays]

all sports is fixed. dead broke fcks gamble...so do multi millionaires. what's to say millionaires wouldn't fix games.

[SportsMushroom]

all sports is fixed. dead broke fcks gamble...so do multi millionaires. what's to say millionaires wouldn't fix games.

yeah maybe one game every 1000

broke ass gamblers on here claiming fix every time they lose their shirt, and when they finally win one they go off on how they are gods gift to capping

pathetic

[JOHNNY DOBBS]

UTEP in the shit now. Point shaving.

Morons got busted.

http://deadspin.com/it-looks-like-some-bad-shit-is-going-down-at-utep-1496263057

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/utep-3-basketball-players-involved-betting

So, let's hear, gents. Start talking about how fixing isn't real, how big time sports are above it all, yada yada yada.

Everything involving money is fixed.

Could you point out where in the 2 articles you linked where it said they were fixing games.

[RavensFan2k3]

if people really believe that they lose money because of fixed games and still keep betting then they are idiots and get no sympathy from me, i hope the books take them to the cleaners



personally i believe that there is no fix, its against league interests to fix games as they would tarnish the image of their billion dollar product

pro athletes and refs get paid too much to be worth their while, yeah ive heard of donaghy but he was only one guy

i can see college athletes doing some point shaving because they dont get any money

but even then i believe that it evens out, people are on the fix just as much as they are on the other side

I agree with whats in bold. Definitely think games are fixed...its just about being on the right side of them. Winning at gambling is more so about knowing the right side of the fix, than knowing the sport, IMO.

yeah maybe one game every 1000

broke ass gamblers on here claiming fix every time they lose their shirt, and when they finally win one they go off on how they are gods gift to capping

pathetic

Exactly

[convick]

Booted off the team for gambling. Nowhere do I read that the FBI found evidence for point shaving. Try again.

[irish1]

This is nothing new, wasn't the first and won't be the last!!!!!!!!! Previous point-shaving scandals Posted: Fri March 27, 1998 at 9:16 AM ET

The Northwestern scandal, n which Williams (44) and one other Wildcat starter are accused of shaving points, is nothing new to college sports -- or the Evanston, Ill., school <tt> (AP) </tt>

ATLANTA (CNN/SI) -- This isn't the first time collegiate sports -- or even Northwestern -- have been linked with point shaving.
Here's a list of past scandals:
Arizona State, 1997: Two players plead guilty to point shaving; the inquiry, dating back to games in 1994, shows that 15 of 22 fraternities turned up in records of illegal gambling ring on campus.
Boston College, 1996: Thirteen football players are suspended for gambling on games; two players are found to have bet against their own team.
Maryland, 1995: Five athletes, including the starting quarterback on the football team, are suspended for gambling on sports.
Northwestern, 1994: Two players, one a starting tailback on the football team and the other a starting guard on the basketball team, are suspended for betting on college games.
Bryant College, 1992: Five basketball players, who had built up $54,000 in gambling debts, are suspended and a former player and student was arrested and charged with bookmaking.
Maine, 1992: Thirteen baseball players and six football players are suspended for gambling on games.
Florida, 1989: Four football players, including star-QB-to-be Shane Matthews, then a redshirt freshman, are suspended for betting on football games.

MULTIMEDIA

Former Arizona State coach Bill Frieder says for every Northwestern incident, there are likely others that are undiscovered Audio (256K) Georgia Tech coach Bobby Cremins says the latest incident scares him Audio (256K) Frieder says the Northwestern incident will wake people up Audio (128K)

ALSO

SEARCH CNN/SI

<form action="http://search.cnnsi.com/query.html" method="GET"> </form>

1947-1950: Thirty-two players at seven schools are implicated in a plot to fix 86 games. Included in the scandal are players from City College of New York and Kentucky (big names involved: Ralph Beard, Alex Groza and Sherman White).
Here are some other major point-shaving investigations:
1959-61: Thirty-seven players from 22 schools are implicated in point-shaving scandals (big names involved: Connie Hawkins and Jack Molinas).
1978-79: Organized crime figure Henry Hill and New York gambler Richard (The Fixer) Perry mastermind a scheme to fix nine Boston College games in concern with BC players Ernie Cobb, Rick Kuhn and Jim Sweeney. Kuhn, the only player convicted, serves two and a half years in prison for conspiracy to commit sports bribery and interstate gambling.
1984-85: Four Tulane starters, including John "Hot Rod" Williams, and one reserve are accused of shaving points in two games. Two of the five players, Clyde Eads and Jon Johnson, are granted immunity and testify that the others also shaved points in exchange for cash and cocaine. Williams was acquitted and none of the players did jail time but the university shut down the program until the 1989-90 season.

[JOHNNY DOBBS]

gambling ≠ point shaving/ fixing

[aortega521]

Fellas as you can tell from my avatar, I am from the city where this team plays. Been my favorite team since I was a kid. UTEP reported the possibility of these student athletes involved in gambling. No evidence of point shaving was found. Just betting on sports. It's a sad day but UTEP basketball will move forward!

[jjgold]

College Sports every once in a while but it is chump change
Lol...maybe a couple of grand here and there
Broker players so thats why they take a chance once in a while

Pro Sports it never happens..they make too much money

[TwoWays]

gambling is sometimes about the money. other times gambling is about the rush.

[Sam Odom]

Most of us are coin-flippers

Fixed games have no affect on us... Just as likely for Heads to be on the right side of the fix

[lunch]

did anyone even read the article?

2 guys are innocent, no charges laid. UTEP is covering their own ass just in case

[JOHNNY DOBBS]

did anyone even read the article?

2 guys are innocent, no charges laid. UTEP is covering their own ass just in case

I didn't read the article, I just read the headline and made a knee-jerk reaction


FIX!!!

[brewers7]

if people really believe that they lose money because of fixed games and still keep betting then they are idiots and get no sympathy from me, i hope the books take them to the cleaners

personally i believe that there is no fix, its against league interests to fix games as they would tarnish the image of their billion dollar product

pro athletes and refs get paid too much to be worth their while, yeah ive heard of donaghy but he was only one guy

i can see college athletes doing some point shaving because they dont get any money

but even then i believe that it evens out, people are on the fix just as much as they are on the other side

yeah maybe one game every 1000

broke ass gamblers on here claiming fix every time they lose their shirt, and when they finally win one they go off on how they are gods gift to capping

pathetic

Sports Mushroom is pretty much dead-on here...Games are NOT fixed...I am shocked how many people think they are...I have several coworkers who are convinced EVERY Pro and College game is fixed...And there is no changing their minds...

Degenerate and/or unrealistic sports gamblers have to blame losing their money on something, so it's because the game is fixed whenever they lose...But somehow, every game they win is because they are a TERRIFIC handicapper...

And the Cliff Notes version on Tim Donaghy is this: He did not fix games...He gave out information before games that "wasn't allowed" to be given out at the time...He gave out who the referees were hours before the games started and that wasn't allowed then although it's funny, because ever since the Donaghy issues, the NBA now gives this info out daily...And Donaghy gave this info out to, let's say, unsavory characters and his association with these unsavory characters is what got him in trouble, but he was NOT "fixing games"...

Sure, at the college level, you will find random points shaving incidents every 5 years or so, but these games are not "fixed", these are some kids attempting to fix games and there is a difference and they pretty much always get caught because there are safeguards in place to monitor "strange" line moves in Vegas and abroad because the last thing Sportsbooks want is to have "fixed" games because they don't want to scare off the gamblers...They want to take your money all day long...They want all the idiots who think they can handicap to keep losing all their money at their Sportsbooks so they do NOT want any games to be fixed...They don't want to give all the idiots who keep losing money any reason to be scared off continuing to bet...

If any idiot out there truly believes that games are fixed, then that idiot needs to stop gambling immediately...Because if you are stupid enough to believe that Pro & College games are "fixed", then why on God's green earth would you compound your own stupidity by betting on all of these "fixed" games?????...

[face]

seems easy to do, they all miss tons of freethrows anyway
why wouldn't they do it? they aren't getting paid and have expenses and chicks
would love to be a fly on the wall and hear their stories

[TwoWays]

i do fine gambling. and i believe all sports is fixed.

[jjgold]

Sports Mushroom is pretty much dead-on here...Games are NOT fixed...I am shocked how many people think they are...I have several coworkers who are convinced EVERY Pro and College game is fixed...And there is no changing their minds...

Degenerate and/or unrealistic sports gamblers have to blame losing their money on something, so it's because the game is fixed whenever they lose...But somehow, every game they win is because they are a TERRIFIC handicapper...

And the Cliff Notes version on Tim Donaghy is this: He did not fix games...He gave out information before games that "wasn't allowed" to be given out at the time...He gave out who the referees were hours before the games started and that wasn't allowed then although it's funny, because ever since the Donaghy issues, the NBA now gives this info out daily...And Donaghy gave this info out to, let's say, unsavory characters and his association with these unsavory characters is what got him in trouble, but he was NOT "fixing games"...

Sure, at the college level, you will find random points shaving incidents every 5 years or so, but these games are not "fixed", these are some kids attempting to fix games and there is a difference and they pretty much always get caught because there are safeguards in place to monitor "strange" line moves in Vegas and abroad because the last thing Sportsbooks want is to have "fixed" games because they don't want to scare off the gamblers...They want to take your money all day long...They want all the idiots who think they can handicap to keep losing all their money at their Sportsbooks so they do NOT want any games to be fixed...They don't want to give all the idiots who keep losing money any reason to be scared off continuing to bet...

If any idiot out there truly believes that games are fixed, then that idiot needs to stop gambling immediately...Because if you are stupid enough to believe that Pro & College games are "fixed", then why on God's green earth would you compound your own stupidity by betting on all of these "fixed" games?????...

Game Over
Thread Ends here

[Thor4140]

yeah maybe one game every 1000

broke ass gamblers on here claiming fix every time they lose their shirt, and when they finally win one they go off on how they are gods gift to capping

pathetic

dude u must be 21 years old because nobody is this naive

[labones00]

UTEP in the shit now. Point shaving.

Morons got busted.

http://deadspin.com/it-looks-like-some-bad-shit-is-going-down-at-utep-1496263057

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/utep-3-basketball-players-involved-betting

So, let's hear, gents. Start talking about how fixing isn't real, how big time sports are above it all, yada yada yada.

Everything involving money is fixed.

Did you even read the articles you posted....it states

First link:

Update, 4:15 p.m.: In a news conference, school officials say Moore, Ragland, and a third player, guard Justin Crosgile, are suspected of betting on sports. Upon finding out, UTEP reported the matter to the FBI. No point-shaving is suspected, and there is no indication the three bet on UTEP games.

2nd link:

Adauto said the three players were not believed to be betting on games they played in or participating in point-shaving — trying to affect the score of a game to influence the outcome for bettors

So you might want to hold off on calling people idiots when you are the one fabricating a story. Read the links you posted yourself....idiot

[Thor4140]

Game Over
Thread Ends here

Oh wait i forgot about JJ

[The Kraken]

UTEP and big time sports shouldn't be in the same post

saloon this garbage and self ban for 1 week

[ChalkyDog]

Did you even read the articles you posted....it states

First link:

Update, 4:15 p.m.: In a news conference, school officials say Moore, Ragland, and a third player, guard Justin Crosgile, are suspected of betting on sports. Upon finding out, UTEP reported the matter to the FBI. No point-shaving is suspected, and there is no indication the three bet on UTEP games.

2nd link:

Adauto said the three players were not believed to be betting on games they played in or participating in point-shaving — trying to affect the score of a game to influence the outcome for bettors

So you might want to hold off on calling people idiots when you are the one fabricating a story. Read the links you posted yourself....idiot

First, there are tons of documented cases of fixing.
Second, people who don't believe fixing exists are idiots regardless of the outcome of this
Third, You are latching onto a PR statement from the school instead of the fact that this is an ongoing FBI investigation.
3a, this is an FBI investigation.
Fourth, these kids lost their collegiate basketball careers over this "non-issue"
Finally, I added the 2nd article to give a more complete narrative.

Like I said, these morons got busted.

[James D]

Sports Mushroom is pretty much dead-on here...Games are NOT fixed...I am shocked how many people think they are...I have several coworkers who are convinced EVERY Pro and College game is fixed...And there is no changing their minds...

Degenerate and/or unrealistic sports gamblers have to blame losing their money on something, so it's because the game is fixed whenever they lose...But somehow, every game they win is because they are a TERRIFIC handicapper...

And the Cliff Notes version on Tim Donaghy is this: He did not fix games...He gave out information before games that "wasn't allowed" to be given out at the time...He gave out who the referees were hours before the games started and that wasn't allowed then although it's funny, because ever since the Donaghy issues, the NBA now gives this info out daily...And Donaghy gave this info out to, let's say, unsavory characters and his association with these unsavory characters is what got him in trouble, but he was NOT "fixing games"...

Sure, at the college level, you will find random points shaving incidents every 5 years or so, but these games are not "fixed", these are some kids attempting to fix games and there is a difference and they pretty much always get caught because there are safeguards in place to monitor "strange" line moves in Vegas and abroad because the last thing Sportsbooks want is to have "fixed" games because they don't want to scare off the gamblers...They want to take your money all day long...They want all the idiots who think they can handicap to keep losing all their money at their Sportsbooks so they do NOT want any games to be fixed...They don't want to give all the idiots who keep losing money any reason to be scared off continuing to bet...

If any idiot out there truly believes that games are fixed, then that idiot needs to stop gambling immediately...Because if you are stupid enough to believe that Pro & College games are "fixed", then why on God's green earth would you compound your own stupidity by betting on all of these "fixed" games?????...

Please post more.

[ChalkyDog]

UTEP and big time sports shouldn't be in the same post

saloon this garbage and self ban for 1 week

Can you bet on UTEP games, college basketball is a major market.

Consider dropping the ban hammer somehwere else.

[El Sol]

point shaving is not the same as fixing. Fixing implies it was done beforehand by an entity. It was eluded to before in this thread. Tennis, Snooker, Darts etc, Journeymen will fix matches because they are broke and traveling is expensive. I can see students in Colledge doing it because they are young and dumb, but highly unlikely the whole team is involved.The upper levels of talent have no reason to and actually the risk/reward of getting caught doesn't warrant it.

Pro team sports, its absolutely impossible. Its not one entity that is a Sports League. Its 100's of owners and investors and you would have to have all of them on board for it to happen and I doubt a person who has millions invested in a team will be OK with losing millions so Stern could have his Kobe/LeBron game.

But the single most important entity preventing Fixing from happening in Pro sports is Money. Just like some claim its Money that rigs all the Games. Its actually Money that is really preventing it. Again, you would have to have everyone involved and investors will make far more money keeping it legit than allowing some mysterious entity to fix games. All it would take is one person. That is it, just one person to say something and you would have an instant lawsuit in the hundreds of Millions for selling a false product.

Are you really going to claim that their aren't any people or attorneys in this county that wouldnt seize the opportunity to become instant Millionaires (Lawyers and the initial complainant generally get about 20% of the class action lawsuit) by suing the league?

Point shaving sure, albiet not as much as you think. Actually rigging or fixing the game beforehand, impossible.

[ChalkyDog]

Sports Mushroom is pretty much dead-on here...Games are NOT fixed...I am shocked how many people think they are...I have several coworkers who are convinced EVERY Pro and College game is fixed...And there is no changing their minds...

Degenerate and/or unrealistic sports gamblers have to blame losing their money on something, so it's because the game is fixed whenever they lose...But somehow, every game they win is because they are a TERRIFIC handicapper...

And the Cliff Notes version on Tim Donaghy is this: He did not fix games...He gave out information before games that "wasn't allowed" to be given out at the time...He gave out who the referees were hours before the games started and that wasn't allowed then although it's funny, because ever since the Donaghy issues, the NBA now gives this info out daily...And Donaghy gave this info out to, let's say, unsavory characters and his association with these unsavory characters is what got him in trouble, but he was NOT "fixing games"...

Sure, at the college level, you will find random points shaving incidents every 5 years or so, but these games are not "fixed", these are some kids attempting to fix games and there is a difference and they pretty much always get caught because there are safeguards in place to monitor "strange" line moves in Vegas and abroad because the last thing Sportsbooks want is to have "fixed" games because they don't want to scare off the gamblers...They want to take your money all day long...They want all the idiots who think they can handicap to keep losing all their money at their Sportsbooks so they do NOT want any games to be fixed...They don't want to give all the idiots who keep losing money any reason to be scared off continuing to bet...

If any idiot out there truly believes that games are fixed, then that idiot needs to stop gambling immediately...Because if you are stupid enough to believe that Pro & College games are "fixed", then why on God's green earth would you compound your own stupidity by betting on all of these "fixed" games?????...

How many examples do I need to give you of where games were proven to be fixed? You know they exist, in spades right?

ASU point shaving for one, sticking to the same sport, same allegations same individual penalties imposed.

[ChalkyDog]

Point shaving is not fixing?

A semantics argument if I've ever heard one.

[VegasInsider]

I wonder what game they bet on

[ChalkyDog]

Off the top of my head, examples of fixing:

ASU point shaving
South Korean match fixing
Juventas
Liverpool goalie who was initially acquitted but later the decision overturned.

Fukk it, might just say Soccer in general at this point, as the list is insane.

Last years Nascar - firstrow, penske and waltrip.

Shit, even the last Olympics had an issue with boxing that many reported was the result of a bribe (although I don't know where that went).

A few years back there were a bunch of indictments about a match fixing that involved the SDSU program (or there were ties to SDSU), I don't remember.

There are numerous examples just in the last few years.

Fixing isn't as rampant as is alleged many times on this board, but to think it doesn't exist is beyond moronic.