The White Sox are 46-79 in Spring Training since 2005

[fearless]

Is this is a serious trend to consider when betting? Does it show that the team really doesn't care? They obviously have the talent but there must be real reasons for why they've done this bad. Any thoughts?

[onthewhat]

Could be a solid angle, Colts go 0-4 or 1-3 every year in preseason yet are a good team.

[curious]

Is this is a serious trend to consider when betting? Does it show that the team really doesn't care? They obviously have the talent but there must be real reasons for why they've done this bad. Any thoughts?

I would look at the game results and see how badly they play in those games. Are those 79 losses of 1 ad 2 runs or 10 and 15 runs? Are a lot of no name players getting a lot of playing time? I would try to find out why they do so badly and see if that situation is continuing.

It could be that they use spring training to try out new players.
Or, it could be they just don't care.
Or, it could be the players don't work in the off season and show up to spring training fat and lazy.

I know the Orioles give new players a lot of playing time in the exhibition games to try out prospects.

[pat venditto]

Trends do not matter thats why books offer show them to you get a clue.

[fearless]

I would look at the game results and see how badly they play in those games. Are those 79 losses of 1 ad 2 runs or 10 and 15 runs? Are a lot of no name players getting a lot of playing time? I would try to find out why they do so badly and see if that situation is continuing.

It could be that they use spring training to try out new players.
Or, it could be they just don't care.
Or, it could be the players don't work in the off season and show up to spring training fat and lazy.

I know the Orioles give new players a lot of playing time in the exhibition games to try out prospects.

I agree with you. Thanks.

[fearless]

Trends do not matter thats why books offer show them to you get a clue.

I cannot believe this statement. curious bases his whole strategy on trends and he's a winner. His record is proof that following trends works.

[curious]

One thing that might work in exhibition games and I stress the word MIGHT is to plot the number of at bats players are getting per game, and label players as "known" and "unknown". And if the total number of "unknown" at bats is a high % and that trend line is staying high or increasing and the team is losing then you might be able to predict that they will keep losing based on the fact that they keep using these unknown players in the lineup. Of course for some teams getting the starting players from the previous year out of the lineup might make the team win. LOL

And if they start putting the starting players from the previous year back in the lineup and the trend line of "unknown" at bats per game decreases then you might be able to bet on the team to win at good odds. I have noticed that there is a lag time between what a team is actually doing and what perception is based on what they were doing in baseball, so you might be able to get ahead of the curve (pun intended).

That could be an interesting angle.

[fearless]

One thing that might work in exhibition games and I stress the word MIGHT is to plot the number of at bats players are getting per game, and label players as "known" and "unknown". And if the total number of "unknown" at bats is a high % and that trend line is staying high or increasing and the team is losing then you might be able to predict that they will keep losing based on the fact that they keep using these unknown players in the lineup. Of course for some teams getting the starting players from the previous year out of the lineup might make the team win. LOL

And if they start putting the starting players from the previous year back in the lineup and the trend line of "unknown" at bats per game decreases then you might be able to bet on the team to win at good odds. I have noticed that there is a lag time between what a team is actually doing and what perception is based on what they were doing in baseball, so you might be able to get ahead of the curve (pun intended).

That could be an interesting angle.

Interesting. The Angels are 99-60 in Spring Training since 2004. I wonder what they're doing?

[InTheHole]

Trends plus systems plus value = success. I would never bet an exhibition game.

[B1GER1C828]

white sox have the same exact team they had since 2005...lol

trends r awful

[fearless]

white sox have the same exact team they had since 2005...lol

trends r awful

What do you mean exactly?

[InTheHole]

^ he means the numbers are irrelevant...If kobe bryant and gasol were traded this year would you refer to any trends for the Lakers for next years games?

[InTheHole]

Another thing is when I start betting MLB I go real light until June...there is a reason for that....trends inform but current performance and real-time data determines a lot of plays for me.

[fearless]

^ he means the numbers are irrelevant...If kobe bryant and gasol were traded this year would you refer to any trends for the Lakers for next years games?

The Angels are 99-60 in Spring Training since 2004. The White Sox are 46-79 in Spring Training since 2005. Talent is not the reason.

If you think that happened by mere chance, you're wrong. These trends show a difference in philosophy, strategy, and style. That means a great deal and those are enduring characteristics, thus we see these amazing trends.

I'm saying that we're seeing smoke so there must be fire (fire being the reasons for the trends).

[B1GER1C828]

The Angels are 99-60 in Spring Training since 2004. The White Sox are 46-79 in Spring Training since 2005. Talent is not the reason.

If you think that happened by mere chance, you're wrong. These trends show a difference in philosophy, strategy, and style. That means a great deal and those are enduring characteristics, thus we see these amazing trends.

I'm saying that we're seeing smoke so there must be fire (fire being the reasons for the trends).

in spring season, its all about talent.

trends r 100% irrelevant, but im not saying dont do it, im just saying i dnt recommend it. Good luck in the postseason bro

[fearless]

in spring season, its all about talent.

trends r 100% irrelevant, but im not saying dont do it, im just saying i dnt recommend it. Good luck in the postseason bro

The Angels are 99-60 in Spring Training since 2004. The White Sox are 46-79 in Spring Training since 2005. Talent is not the reason.

The Angels aren't that much more talented than the White Sox. How do you explain it then?

[MonkeyF0cker]

It probably has more to do with the quality of players in each team's farm system than anything...

[B1GER1C828]

You dont think angels are that much more talented than Wsox?? I think angels are quite more talented first of all, and 2nd of all Monkey is right, it does probably have to with the farm system. Basically what your implying is, whitesox try 2 lose and angels try to win.

[fearless]

You dont think angels are that much more talented than Wsox?? I think angels are quite more talented first of all, and 2nd of all Monkey is right, it does probably have to with the farm system. Basically what your implying is, whitesox try 2 lose and angels try to win.

I'm saying I don't know the reasons but are these serious trends to consider when betting? I think maybe.

[B1GER1C828]

I'm saying I don't know the reasons but are these serious trends to consider when betting? I think maybe.

Well i guess we bet differently then. I will never go off trends.

If i see a trend like, Red Sox are 5-0 against lefties whose last name begins with ** in the month of july who has pitched exactly 18 and 2/3 innings in his last 3 games, and who took a piss 3 minutes b4 the game, doesnt give me a reason to bet.

But i wasnt trying 2 be a dick, im just saying that to me trends dont mean anything.

[curious]

Well i guess we bet differently then. I will never go off trends.

If i see a trend like, Red Sox are 5-0 against lefties whose last name begins with ** in the month of july who has pitched exactly 18 and 2/3 innings in his last 3 games, and who took a piss 3 minutes b4 the game, doesnt give me a reason to bet.

But i wasnt trying 2 be a dick, im just saying that to me trends dont mean anything.

Well, that is a nonsensical trend.

What about a trend like this? Oklahoma City (NBA) has an 80% win% ATS when they are a double digit dog.

Or a trend like this: Chicago Bulls are 10-3 ATS last 13 and they are playing Washington who are 0-6 ATS last 6.

Or, this one, Chicago bulls have won the 1st Quarter 80% of the time over the last 13 games.

I have made a big pile of money this year using trends like these.

[Fiasco]

Well, that is a nonsensical trend.

What about a trend like this? Oklahoma City (NBA) has an 80% win% ATS when they are a double digit dog.

Or a trend like this: Chicago Bulls are 10-3 ATS last 13 and they are playing Washington who are 0-6 ATS last 6.

Or, this one, Chicago bulls have won the 1st Quarter 80% of the time over the last 13 games.

I have made a big pile of money this year using trends like these.

[curious]

correlation between quality of farm system and spring training results

It should be easy enough to see if there is a correlation between quality of farm system and spring training results.

What is the record of the White Sox AAA club over the time period you are using for the spring training record you quoted?

Same for the Angels.

Maybe there is a correlation.

[Chi_archie]

I think teams absolutely have different goals and approaches to spring training games..... its not so much the players, but the coaching staff and gm even...

[Chi_archie]

Fearless is a sharp cookie....

I might play spring training next year after all

[fearless]

Fearless is a sharp cookie....

I might play spring training next year after all

Thank you.