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That is a tough one, last year he looked great in his first great year. He is going to do have to do it alot more, esp now with defenses learning him more and will defiantly play him differently. I am willing to bet this year, they are not going to allow him to get those easy runs he did last year.
If everyone is at their best and we are looking at it in a vacuum, and have to win ONE game. I would take Michael Vick.
Originally Posted by rsnnh12
Well, he did tear his ACL and MCL in the first game of one of those seasons, and didn't play the rest of the year...
Just sayin'
fair point.
Brady is a great QB no doubt about it but let's not kid each other here ... put any good QB with that coach and his system ... you will have some success. It has been 2005 since they won the SB afterall.
just sayin'
OH and BTW, Marino is still the greatest QB all-time.
Last edited by DwightShrute; 08-14-11 at 01:33 PM.
In my opinion Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are still a notch above Rodgers, but not by much. Both Brady and Manning have proven to be winners throughout their entire careers. I'm not knocking Rodgers or anything and yes he's won a SB and had an unbelievable season before being named SB MVP but I'd still say Brady and Manning are on another level. That's just my honest opinion.
I'm obviously a Rodgers guy, but feel like in order to pass Brady he's got to have another great year. Only thing Brady has over Rodgers at this point is being great over a longer period of time which you can't hold against Rodgers. This will only be Rodgers' 4th season as a starter and he already has a ring, sky's the limit for Rodgers.
Rodgers = Joe Montana but with a better arm.
Last edited by Stevedore; 08-14-11 at 01:32 PM.
I wonder how good would he have been with the Niners.
This thread only proves once again that if you run a sportsbook and lose money, you're an idiot...
That's irrelevant. The reason Rodgers is as good as he is because he spent all those years behind Favre. A lot of people forget this but being a backup to future Hall of Famer for several years makes a huge difference when you finally get handed the keys to the offense. And besides Rodgers had an unbelievable year without a run game last year. Brady and Manning haven't had a top notch run game in years and they continue to put up remarkable numbers year in and year out.I wonder how good would he have been with the Niners.
I agree about the system helping Brady for his earlier years, but that helped develop him into the force he is today. He has the best footwork in the pocket, reads defenses as well as anyone (he and Manning are top 2), and most importantly, does it all with no names at WR. Look at what happened his first year with Moss... they had the best QB-WR season ever. How many people knew Branch's name, Troy Brown's name, Wes Welker's name, before having Brady make them look like world beaters?
fair point.
Brady is a great QB no doubt about it but let's not kid each other here ... put any good QB with that coach and his system ... you will have some success. It has been 2005 since they won the SB afterall.
just sayin'
OH and BTW, Marino is still the greatest QB all-time.
Brady will be in contention for the GOAT when he's done, assuming he plays another 3+ years. Seeing what Ray Lewis and Revis said about him during the top 100 countdown just backs up how great he really is.
I do feel bad for Marino... he and Barry Sanders are the 2 best players to not have rings, and both definitely deserve one.
Eli Manning is a better athlete than Brady. That's how poor of an athlete Brady isBrady could never make the play Eli did in that Super Bowl. Brady got sacked 5 times in that game and did nothing to avoid pressure. Exactly how the Jets beat them last year, also 5 sacks.
Rodgers is the complete QB. There isn't a QB alive who can make each of these plays.
1:50 - pin point precision through an impossible window
2:00 - 60 yard bomb after turning around to avoid pressure
2:22 - 70 yard dime to WR mid-stride, 95 yard TD
7:42 - spins off an unblocked rusher, eludes 2 others, completes perfect throw to WR's outside shoulder
7:52 - no one open, dodges 3 defenders to run it in
Last edited by Sunde91; 08-14-11 at 06:15 PM.
agree 100%. good post. How Miami let Welker go is beyond me
I would have to agree. This guy is a couple of hard hits from being irrelevant. I would never wish that on any player but it's the truth. I don't see Rodgers having the ability to match the length of time Manning and Brady have had in the league.
Please any idiots that say Mike Vick in this thread should never post again about football because cleary they have no clue about the game.
Here's another QB that an entire city has their wagon hitched to. He'll never make the 16 game schedule, it's not that he doesn't have the talent but running QBs' don't have a good history of staying healthy. It's all about timing but I wouldn't like my chances if I were an Eagles fan. JMO
great vid. thanks for sharing
Mismanagement from the Phins has been the status quo down here for years now Dwight and I'm sure you know that. Welker was probably one of BBs' best pic ups.
Since when is athleticism the be all end all for a great QBEli Manning is a better athlete than Brady. That's how poor of an athlete Brady is
Rodgers is the complete QB. There isn't a QB alive who can make each of these plays.
1:50 - pin point precision through an impossible window
2:00 - 60 yard bomb after turning around to avoid pressure
2:22 - 70 yard dime to WR mid-stride, 95 yard TD
7:42 - spins off an unblocked rusher, eludes 2 others, completes perfect throw to WR's outside shoulder
7:52 - no one open, dodges 3 defenders to run it in
There are also downsides to athletic QBs... look at how many injuries Rodgers and Vick have had from their running.
Last edited by rsnnh12; 08-14-11 at 07:40 PM.
Rodgers is the best in the game
No he's not, he has a long way to go to be considered the best. Right now he's good but how good still remains to be seen.
Because I said athleticism is the be all end all? I highlighted Brady's biggest weakness that is partially what has prevented him from more Super Bowl wins.
And winning is important, but not some sole determinant of the best. Terry Bradshaw has 4 rings, but is also a 70 IQ hick and a 50% career passer. Wouldn't be close to top 25 talented QBs all time and not top 10 overall.
I deem Rodgers to have the most talent and ability with minimal weakness.
To show he absolutely compares with Brady and Manning in efficiency
Rodgers 64.4% career passer, 2.7 TD/INT ratio, 98.4 passer rating
Brady 63.6%, 2.5 ratio, 95.2 pr
Manning 64.9%, 2.0 ratio, 94.9 pr
Now factor his versatility and ability that they don't have (video) + proven winner + years to improve = best QB
Last edited by Sunde91; 08-14-11 at 11:53 PM.
Brady is a system QB. As for Rodgers I still thought Manning was a bit better last year but not by much. He could very well be the best QB this year if Manning finally takes a step down.
Please explain the system... and how Manning was better last year
nah. montana won 4 superbowls. brady has 3. montana was the best qb of the modern era. brady isnt in the same class. you didnt watch montana play or you wouldnt say this.
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More stupidity....guess Trent Dilfer is much better than Marino because he got a ring? Winning SBs actually INVOLVES MORE THAN JUST THE QB??
Rodgers is the top QB in the game right now with his mobility....BUT mobility can get you laid out just like Rodgers got in Detroit (2009?)
As for Brady & Manning.....Brady got knocked out first week a few years back and NE still went 11-5. If Manning went out first week the Colts would be lucky to go 5-11! Brady was 6-0 last year when he threw for less than 200 yards. If Peyton doesn't throw for 200 then the Colts lose BADLY! I'm not saying Manning is better than Brady but Belechik and his genius can't be denied towards helping Brady. Same thing with Bill Walsh and Montana.
In other words...its all apples and oranges. Its hard to compare apples to apples in the NFL. One thing I will say for Rodgers is that GB couldn't run the ball during the season and Finley/Grant were out and he still took care of business!
Rodgers stats are averaged over 3 full seasons (not counting 05-07)...when he gets to 9 full seasons like Brady and 13 full seasons like Manning...then we'll compare these stats again...that's if Rodgers even makes it that long without injury
He's a great quarterback but still not at the level of Brady and Manning
You can't play 3 years and say you are the best QB Ever. :facepalm:
Packers won't be winning Super Bowl this year.
This shouldnt even be a thread hahahhahaha it maybe should ask if he is top 5
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He could have a career ending injury this season and then be forgotten pretty soon.
Colts went 2-0 last year in games that Peyton threw less than 200 yards...
Rodgers came in the league waiting for an opportunity. He wasn't ever allowed to even do mop up duties. Yes you can grade him for 3 years because... name any quarterback who had 3 great years like that... besides Manning and Brady? You simply can't. This is the NFL. Things are tougher... and Rodgers has answered the call.
Aaron Rodgers should have been #1 draft pick not Alex Smith.
He was probably better off sitting those years and learning/maturing.
Steve Young when he got the same opportunity. 3 years and better than Rodgers.
That's when the NFL was still real not like the sissy league now, easy for qb's/wr's, passing league.
Brady 517 yards MNF Record... 5th Best single game. Interesting.
TB12Brady 517 yards MNF Record... 5th Best single game. Interesting.
I have to admit Brady is the best right now, but Rodgers is right there in 2nd.
Rodgers is the more complete QB though. Brady also has one of the best O lines in the League. If they arent on their game, and they play a strong blitzing team (cough Jets Playoffs), Brady is done. Rodgers is one of the best at eluding rushers and can throw a 50 yard dime mid stride after escaping a sack.
I would go
1. Manning
2. Orton
3. Brady
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