So, if guilty looking HERITAGE is dealing two lines, it's ok?

**Scooter** · 10-15-12, 10:48 PM

touchback - " have also talked to a few people in the industry and this is a fact. Cory and his business is persona non gratis at quite a few services and quite a few of these places did this before Heritage and the EZ debacles... I was also told by highly reliable sources that some of these places have this opinion for some fairly serious reasons... which include having to do with the manner in which he tried to fund accounts. That is all I will say and not disclose details... but my sources are granite rock solid and I believe every word I was told by these individuals, period."

No one knows you and you don't cite any specifics nor your sources. All of the above is utterly meaningless. I couldn't care less what "touchback" was told by his "sources".

**richsox24** · 10-15-12, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Yep. Same here. But we're the ones with agendas.

The people who have voiced their opposition have been silenced.

And now, I'm silencing myself permanently from this site.

Well done, Lou.

That's SBR at its finest. As corrupt and dishonest as it gets. Sad.

**Chi_archie** · 10-16-12, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Yep. Same here. But we're the ones with agendas.

The people who have voiced their opposition have been silenced.

And now, I'm silencing myself permanently from this site.

Well done, Lou.

he might come back, sometimes he changes his mind about these kinds of things.

**Optional** · 10-16-12, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Yep. Same here. But we're the ones with agendas.

The people who have voiced their opposition have been silenced.

And now, I'm silencing myself permanently from this site.

Well done, Lou.

I don't think this counts without an "I'm leaving" thread.

**raiders72001** · 10-16-12, 09:05 AM

At least Monkey didn't give a long fair well speech. 99% of the guys that post that they are leaving come back.

**MBENZ** · 10-16-12, 09:54 AM

Whether you agreed or disagreed with Monkey,at least he was a good poster that got his point across without the childish bantor.S&I is the only readable forum over here anymore and the good posters are dropping like flies either by banning,PR,or just plain getting disgusted.

**richsox24** · 10-16-12, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by MBENZ

Whether you agreed or disagreed with Monkey,at least he was a good poster that got his point across without the childish bantor.S&I is the only readable forum over here anymore and the good posters are dropping like flies either by banning,PR,or just plain getting disgusted.

Thats because anytime you disagree with SBR, you get put on delay, banned, infractions, etc. SBR is about 90% of the way to becoming therx.

**tatommack** · 10-16-12, 10:52 AM

Abe like i said in another thread just open an account at another book just to make sure you are getting a fair line. since i got ****** by betus im always checking lines. glad you are happy now.

**SBR Lou** · 10-16-12, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by richsox24

That's SBR at its finest. As corrupt and dishonest as it gets. Sad.

Originally posted by raiders72001

At least Monkey didn't give a long fair well speech. 99% of the guys that post that they are leaving come back.

It's also interesting that those supposedly muzzled or made unable to post ..... find a way to continue to post their anti-SBR/SBR is evil nonsense 24-7. Go read the RX and see if this stuff flies there. SBR has always been very open doors in allowing posters to post, and if you ask me I'd say too much so.

**Chi_archie** · 10-16-12, 11:08 AM

Speak in specifics or not at all. Which posters would you like to silence, muzzle, or close the door to???? Mods shouldn't have agendas NOT in line with SBR. don't tarnish these poster's name with your vague generalities.

Posters have never run their mouths too much, have no complaints on file at Archie headquarters, and I don't think I've ever even heard of many documented "allowed to talk too much about agendas" incidents aside from the one-offs against where posters are upset in the heat of the moment. No poster groupt bats 100%, but sbr posters are pretty darn close.

**Optional** · 10-16-12, 11:19 AM

Get im Arch!

What's the link to post a complaint to Archie HQ?? I know you'll get shit done.

**richsox24** · 10-16-12, 11:21 AM

Its really pretty simple. If you want to be able to post here without delays, infractions, or banning, just send the mods a little $$$. That's how low this place has become. Nothing monkey, prop, hedge or a few others has said should have warranted any discipline.

**BAUS** · 10-16-12, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Lou- voodoo's is valid. Fishhead knows voodoo so he's just tagging along and telling tales.

voodoo got a check from Heritage and the written amount on the check didn't agree with the numbers. voodoo tried to correct the situation but it's taken a little over 50 days so far.

edit- didn't realize that Tuckman explained what happened.

FH has no reason to be "telling tales". He is a professional and well-respected on the forums and within this industry. If he says he's been slow-paid, then it is the truth.

BAUS

**raiders72001** · 10-16-12, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by BAUS

FH has no reason to be "telling tales". He is a professional and well-respected on the forums and within this industry. If he says he's been slow-paid, then it is the truth.

BAUS

I walked around a casino in Vegas with FH. He's a great guy in person and fun. That said, I know for a fact that he bullshits.

**richsox24** · 10-16-12, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

I walked around a casino in Vegas with FH. He's a great guy in person and fun. That said, I know for a fact that he bullshits.

But i doubt he'll bullshit about slow pays at a book that he's been endorsing for years.

**BrianLaverty** · 10-17-12, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by tatommack

Abe like i said in another thread just open an account at another book just to make sure you are getting a fair line. since i got ****** by betus im always checking lines. glad you are happy now.

I'm pretty sure Abe isn't bright enough to figure out how easy it is to take advantage of this...

**BrianLaverty** · 10-17-12, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by richsox24

But i doubt he'll bullshit about slow pays at a book that he's been endorsing for years.

He would if it helps his friend validate his story.

**Winner_13** · 10-28-12, 08:55 PM

Sbr is going downhill fast

**evo34** · 10-29-12, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Prop,

Speak in specifics or not at all. The forum isn't for agendas. You've done this against a few shops for some reason and your tune usually changes --- but you're not going to be permitted to try to tarnish a book's name with your vague generalities.

Heritage has an impeccable reputation financially. They've never stiffed a player, have no payout complaints on file, and I don't think I've ever even heard of many documented "slow-pays" aside from the one-offs against them. No book bats 100%, but Heritage is pretty darn close.

How about dealing dual lines, Lou? Is that specific enough for you?

**richsox24** · 10-29-12, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by evo34

How about dealing dual lines, Lou? Is that specific enough for you?

Crickets...Lol

**SBR Lou** · 10-29-12, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by evo34

How about dealing dual lines, Lou? Is that specific enough for you?

Originally posted by richsox24

Crickets...Lol

It's pretty simple. Many books have account profiles for different players --- the steam chasers, advantage players, sophisticated players etc, will not normally get the same line as most normal users (95%+ of players). Most books that don't utilize these methods will probably just show you the door.

There's no conspiracy here. If Heritage is the first book that applied some sort of sharp defense on you, congrats, wear it as a badge of honor - it will look infinitely more stylish than a tin-foil cap.

**touchback** · 10-29-12, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

It's pretty simple. Many books have account profiles for different players --- the steam chasers, advantage players, sophisticated players etc, will not normally get the same line as most normal users (95%+ of players). Most books that don't utilize these methods will probably just show you the door.

There's no conspiracy here. If Heritage is the first book that applied some sort of sharp defense on you, congrats, wear it as a badge of honor - it will look infinitely more stylish than a tin-foil cap.

Sorry Abe... know u got some unwritten rules and all... but this is some Deja Vu right here my brother...

**NobodyUKnow** · 10-29-12, 08:59 PM

Every operation wants Cory's action...until he wins. Shockingly that becomes and issue when they are supposed to pay instead of keep taking his deposits.

Heritage deals dual-lines. Anyone who denies that either is an idiot or doesn't play there. Play at Heritage knowing with eyes wide open that it's the reality there or go elsewhere.

**touchback** · 10-29-12, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by NobodyUKnow

Every operation wants Cory's action...until he wins. Shockingly that becomes and issue when they are supposed to pay instead of keep taking his deposits.

Heritage deals dual-lines. Anyone who denies that either is an idiot or doesn't play there. Play at Heritage knowing with eyes wide open that it's the reality there or go elsewhere.

There is absolutely no legitimate offshore service with a reasonably well plugged in management and write experience that wants action from CR, zero. The only way his action is gonna be taken is if he slips through the cracks like he used too, but even then the good exposure teams and or GMs already have heard about this guy and if they spot him coming in or posting up he is closed. If he is already in, he is no bonused... no nothing and he goes away. If he wants to play off shore it better be with a startup and a green team...

Yes, dual lines are used in exposure or risk management... many services do it. It is a matter of being fair or even, just like filling the wheel or balancing action or a spread. If your sharp your profiled, that means restrictions. Working a half point or point to protect the house against wise action is fair. As mentioned before, 5 an 10 point swings are not fair but you can always play the other side, right... I can assure you that many terms and conditions say services are for recreational customers, and that is who is gonna get public lines.

**ABEHONEST** · 10-29-12, 10:11 PM

I'm reading these unbelievable bs excuses for Books to take advantage of bettors. You guys must be former Books?
Does ANYONE realize how hard it is to win with these Books? Nobody wins if they play continually, and these greedy Books know that, or should know it. DAMN, you've got those million dollar computers--all the latest info in the whole-wide-world, constant chickensht linechanging, yet, you cannot resist the temptation to "shortchange" a customer?
I last stated I was happy, but some of these Book lovers make me very unhappy!

Like Gunny Sargent Hartman said in Full Metal Jacket, "I'll be watching you!"

**RonPaul2008** · 10-30-12, 01:00 AM

Jeez people, yes they deal dual lines but you make way too big of a deal out of it. The most important thing is that they pay and pay quickly. And despite dealing dual lines they still offer some damn good lines to steam chasers.

**skrtelfan** · 10-30-12, 02:53 AM

big different between standard sharp defense and dealing dual lines. dual lines are used to sucker squares not defend against sharps

**evo34** · 10-30-12, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

It's pretty simple. Many books have account profiles for different players --- the steam chasers, advantage players, sophisticated players etc, will not normally get the same line as most normal users (95%+ of players).

Name the "many books" who deal dual lines.

**Okiejoe** · 10-30-12, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by evo34

Name the "many books" who deal dual lines.

All of them...every single book. Pinnacle even moves juice on sharps when they know what side they need to play. Just part of the game.

**Sam Odom** · 10-30-12, 06:21 PM

haven't read all replies...

just more reason you need several outs

I use Heritage... When checking lines if they have a better # I'll take it , if not , I'll move on

I think I place about 6-8 bets per week with them

**looneytunes** · 10-30-12, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by ABEHONEST

I'm reading these unbelievable bs excuses for Books to take advantage of bettors. You guys must be former Books?
Does ANYONE realize how hard it is to win with these Books? Nobody wins if they play continually, and these greedy Books know that, or should know it. DAMN, you've got those million dollar computers--all the latest info in the whole-wide-world, constant chickensht linechanging, yet, you cannot resist the temptation to "shortchange" a customer?
I last stated I was happy, but some of these Book lovers make me very unhappy!

Like Gunny Sargent Hartman said in Full Metal Jacket, "I'll be watching you!"

A real sharp player like yourself shouldn't settle for anything less than the very best. A few suggestion; Betus, Wagerweb.

**ABEHONEST** · 10-30-12, 07:18 PM

Part of the game, someone stated? Ha, good luck on your gambling career if you can accept that ripoff as "part of the game?"
So sucker Johnny across the street sees the "juicy numbers" and you see the dead-lines. Only a foolish loser could accept those betting terms, and it seems we have many of those? Those type of of gamblers I am describing are surely young and naive? Go ahead and play Bama- 10, meanwhile Johnny sees a 9 at the same Book. Still, I am not convinced at all that there are Books still doing this. If they are, why bother to even play there?

And if have beaten your chosen Book to a pulp, and they use duel lines on you, it's time to call and complain, or simply get lost. Those two choices are the only sense making ones.

You do, being the paying customer, have the right to confront any guilty Book about these deceitful shenanigans.

**Sam Odom** · 10-30-12, 07:20 PM

abe ,

you seem to forget

what if you want LSU +10 ??

but the other book offers you +9

**CarpeDime** · 10-30-12, 07:23 PM

abehonest you know i love you but common pal!! If you are getting dealt dual lines it means you are able to bet sides of certain games that sharps would kill to be able to bet

and heritage pays and has early lines, the cash back thing on your bets whether you win or lose, all betting options like college football team totals that many books dont have, huge point buying and selling options that are sometimes better than pinnacle, awesome teaser odds on non-wong teasers (and you can even use wongs if you keep them to less than half of the teaser) and awesome contests!

NO MORE MERKY WATERS AT HERITAGE as far as I'm concerned pal! Merky waters CLEARED UP!

**ABEHONEST** · 10-30-12, 08:14 PM

Lot's of missed conscrewing, here!

I just stated that I do not believe there are any Books dealing duel-lines, unless someone can prove they are? Also, I said I was happy with Heritage. Sorry, but duh, Carpetman.

Duel-lines does NOT mean you are actually "seeing" two lines...duh, duh da, duh daa. It means a Book--if you know of one, positively,--is giving you one line and hiding another line from you.
Also Sam, I wanted --for example--the Bama-9, not the dog + 10. -9 being the juicy side. Big difference, but only an example as to what a smelly type Book can do if they have the software, and I have heard from master JJ, some indeed do.

Who are they, and they should be exposed?
Gimme some names, only if you can prove it, though.