Originally posted on 12/09/2013:

Quote Originally Posted by rkelly110 View Post
I understand all that Andy, but they want to yell about our deficit and want to hurt the middleclass, the old and the poor.
They sure didn't yell when McConnell got 3 B for signing a Senate bill to reopen the govt, nor did the House or the Pres.

They want smaller govt, but since 9-11 our govt has grown 10 fold. IDK about you, but the math doesn't add up.
How can you cut taxes AND pay for an expanded govt? That's right, cut the little guys.

You call the Dems tax and spend, but they have to raise taxes to pay for the shit the Repubs bought. Like two decade
long wars, TSA, NSA, border patrol etc.

You can't keep taxes low with all of the above and a work force that's not looking for work or are working part time.
Either get people back to work to pay for all that or raise taxes. The Dems are realists.
RKelly, Obama has started his share of wars himself including Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc. When Bush started wars (with congressional approval), liberals went ape shit but when Obama starts wars (WITHOUT congressional approval), the silence is deafening. Notice how you're hearing next to nothing from the anti-war crowd even though Obama extended the Patriot Act, is guilty of spying on Americans and starting all these new wars.

If its wrong when Bush does it, then its wrong when Obama does too.

ObamaCare was not put into place to help the middle class. Its being implemented to give the federal government more control over the people and to help the bottom 10% at the direct expense of the middle class.

Its important you understand that with socialism comes huge MIDDLE CLASS INCOME TAX HIKES. Its impossible to do one without the other.

Are you willing to pay 35%-40% in federal income tax to have the kind of socialist country that Obama wants because its going to happen.

Yes, I agree the republicans built up a bill that has to be paid for but is the solution to the problem spending TRILLIONS more in fresh new government spending as Obama has done. How is that going to possibly help?

When Bush was overspending, fiscal conservatives bashed him for it and they were joined by the liberals. Now Obama is overspending and fiscal conservatives are bashing him for it too. The only difference is the democrats are silent on the matter due to pure blind loyalty. If liberal democratic voters made It clear to their party they are against Obama's spending, there's a good chance he would stop and future generations would at least have a chance.