[nobs]

Well first I want to say, I like SBR and I am not trying to piss on one of their advertisers, but still the turth is the truth.

I am sure almost everyone knows there has been and always seems to be a lot of 5 dimes complaint threads. These pretty much always center on someone hitting a big payday, trying to cash out and then Tony claiming it was a bad line and said player is a shot taker for hitting the bad line.

Recently we have a guy who won big in the casino and Tony claims the game was erronously set at a 114% payout, the customer knew this and used a bot to take advantage of poor Tony. There was also another where a guy hit a long shot big payout and Tony claimed bad line.

So today I logged into my 5 dimes account and checked on some odds for this weekends Memorial Golf tourney. I also checked the same odds at the greek, bet jam, bo dog, Legends, and sportsbook.com

I found that all of 5 dimes lines on long shots could in fact be called "bad lines" ( But only if one of them wins )

Ernie Els is +6000 at the greek and sportsbook.com, but +10000 at 5 dimes.

Brian Davis ranged from +8000 to +10000 at every other book, but he is +23000 at 5 dimes.

Vijay Singh is +5000 at BoDog but +11000 at 5 dimes.

Robert Allenby ranges from +6000 to +7000 at all the other books, but he is +13000 at 5 dimes.

Sean Ohair is +5000 at the greek, +6000 at the others and +13000 at 5 dimes.

Jim Furyk ranges from +1800 to +2000 at the others, but +4200 at 5 dimes.

Angel Cabrera ranges +8000 to +10000 at others, but +21000 at 5 dimes.

These are just a few examples, but in fact every long shot of +3000 or higher at the greek is double sometimes even triple at 5 dimes. Tony has over 80 players posted at +13000 or higher, while not one of the other books I checked has even 1 player at +13000 or higher.

Now I know a lot of people will say , so what that just means Tony is giving better odds. That is true, but I guess my question is, if Tony intentionally gives better odds to draw the action, how can he claim bad line when 1 of these plays actually win ?

99% of these plays are going to lose and Tony is going to have no problem deducting those losses from the players accounts. How then can he cry Cheater when maybe .2 % of these long shots hit ?

I remember reading one of the chat logs from one of the complaint threads. Tony tells the guy the longshot odds were posted incorrectly and the guy knew it and "took a shot" . Tony then tells the guy that the fair odds were 40 to 1 I believe instead of 120 to 1. Tony said the 40 to 1 was the real odds because thats what other books were running it at.

Problem is 5 dimes doesnt run odds on longshots anywhere near what other books run them at. All you have to do is check 5 dimes futures on long shots and compare them to other books. What tony does is he takes a guy like Ernie Els who is 50 or 60 to 1 other places and makes it 100 or 125 to 1 knowing he will get the action. Then pretty much always that play loses anyway. When the rare occasion that the play wins occurs, Tony tries to strongarm the player into accepting less.

Most players, if they put $20 on Brian Davis at 230 to 1 and won $4600, most players would accept Tony's bullshit about the odds should have only been 100 to 1 so youre only getting $2000. We see 25 complaints on this board that means Tony has probably pulled this shit 10,000 times to actually get 25 different people posting it on the board. Most people wont post their problem here for varoius reasons.

But all of 5 dimes long shot odds are like this. Look at the motor racing constructors championship, all the long shots are triple what they should be.

The Drivers championship --- every single long shot is at least double payout at 5 dimes then it is at any other book.

Trust me, If Brian Davis wins or any of these other players who 5 dimes has doubled/tripled the payout odds on, Tony will claim the player is a shot taker who hit a bad line.

Thats BS. Tony is the shot taker. The way I see it, if you intentionally post double and triple payout odds on long shots as a way of creating a competitive advantage for yourself, you shouldnt be able to claim, shot taker, bad line when one of them hits. I mean Tony certainly isnt giving the losses back on the 99+ % that lose.

[pico]

Good post

[recon1]

Very interesting Nobs. Good rationale in your post. Is this a conflict here @ SBR where 5dimes is an advertiser and when/If-ever a problem arises SBR is in favor toward the advertiser?

[Kopi]

very enlightening post, I've had a few scuffles with 5d but this post brings so much more of their shadiness to the light IMO.

[The Kraken]

Maybe SBR will address this

[The Kraken]

Or not

[htown1]

do they still do this?

[STAX]

wow,,, I noticed this too. seems the long shots are way better priced at 5d... never knew they cry badline if they hit. Glad I read this. Never playing at 5Dimes again

[TheAntFather]

wow,,, I noticed this too. seems the long shots are way better priced at 5d... never knew they cry badline if they hit. Glad I read this. Never playing at 5Dimes again

I'm glad I read this too. Shady as fk.

[SharpyUSA]

Tony has always been a bad person. He is the most scrupulousness character in the online sportsbook era. His crew makes a mistake and people bet the lines, so he trashes them verbally and threatens to kick them out. He calls himself, and I quote "the god of 5dimes". I do wish he personally goes bankrupt and realizes what good he had in life. He's blatantly taking advantage now and doesn't appreciate customers anymore.

[Tony Williams]

lol

[pabonaparte]

Why would anyone find this funny?

[Thrilla]

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[smartone3328]

Had cowboys 50-1 to win Super Bowl when tony went down with 250 on it. My account was cancelled and never re opened. I hate this man

[bozeman]

not even to mention - limits on european markets are 50 bucks at 5dimes - trash sportsbook for me- how is it even in A rating?

[bozeman]

instead of paying a commision of 5 percent extra for deposit and withdrawal - u can simply opt out for another sportsbook with a bit lower odds - but money will be in your name - instead here - if broker disappears one day - only wa y to hunt them down in romania

[magaman]

There is a lot to digest there... but I get it. I get it because I recently bet a bad line, and I instantly knew I should have not bet it.

It was a ML in-game wager ( I don't recall the specifics). I bet +250 when I knew the ML should be -250. In-game odds were changed a few minutes after I made my wager.

So I watch to see if it would be cancelled in the next few minutes... nope. pending status until game was over and I lost. IF I had won, it would be cancelled due to bad line.

If my wager was cancelled before game ended, I would think that is fair. but it did not... Tony playing both side I am convinced.

I have been a loyal player at 5D now for over a decade. I think the time has come for me to find a new home.

[SportsMushroom]

I have been saying the same thing about 5 dimes for years. Interestingly enough, op cant receive any points, i wonder if he is banned and why

[PAULYPOKER]

[BeatTheJerk]

God is finally dead.

[thechaoz]

Looks like someone finally took a shot at him

[BChrisB]

The way I see it, If you posted, You pay it!!!

When you confirm your bet it should be looked upon by any licensing government to considering it a legal binding contract. Plus, how come a bad line is only a one way street? I have had a 5dimes account for years yet because of posts such as this one have never played there. Right now I'm sticking with BetOnline. Why Betonline may not have as many perks as others they are solid as far as business structures goes. You deposit and win, they pay.

[TheGoldenGoose]

Karma is a biatch eh Tony?