kentucky derby pool 4

**JBEX** · 03-07-21, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by JBEX

closes 6pm sunday

[I]take one more position besides greatest honor [/I]

#19 risk taking (30-1 ml..40-1 now)

added blinkers last 2 starts including breaking his maiden and winning the withers stakes both at 1 1/8M..gained close to 5 lengths in the stretch in both so should love the 1 1/4 derby distance..being by medaglia d'oro this is no surprise as he's a classy stamina influence..
next start probably will be the wood memorial at aqueduct
in about a month..another 1 1/8 race at his home track..if he runs well should be a fresh horse heading for the derby and will have three 1 1/8 races (at the same track) under him ..being trained by chad brown always a big positive

just want to clarify I'm not saying take greatest honour again..I have him from pool 2 @ 40-1 (another thread) and he's 5-1 in here

**JBEX** · 03-07-21, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by JBEX

closes 6pm sunday

take one more position besides greatest honor

#19 risk taking (30-1 ml..40-1 now)..half unit

added blinkers last 2 starts including breaking his maiden and winning the withers stakes both at 1 1/8M..gained close to 5 lengths in the stretch in both so should love the 1 1/4 derby distance..being by medaglia d'oro this is no surprise as he's a classy stamina influence..
next start probably will be the wood memorial at aqueduct
in about a month..another 1 1/8 race at his home track..if he runs well should be a fresh horse heading for the derby and will have three 1 1/8 races (at the same track) under him ..being trained by chad brown always a big positive

also decided to knock it down to a half unit (changed above)..don't want to water down the return on the other that much

**JBEX** · 03-07-21, 10:54 AM

https://www.kentuckyderby.com/wager/future-wager/derby-pool-4

**JBEX** · 03-07-21, 08:44 PM

closed at 42-1

**littlekona** · 03-07-21, 10:26 PM

Lol i just saw Life Is Good closed at 2-1....people are nutz....thats why i love pari mutual wagering lots of ignorant bettors

**JBEX** · 03-08-21, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

Lol i just saw Life Is Good closed at 2-1....people are nutz....thats why i love pari mutual wagering lots of ignorant bettors

not saying I'd take him @ 2-1 but the 107 beyer he earned towers over these horse..probably go off 1-5 in the santa anita derby and another blowout win which isn't unlikely and you may have a 3-2 derby favorite

I'm losing faith in these figures kona..for example in the sham stakes lig ran a 101 beyer and a 99 brisnet ..my other future greatest honour ran a 103 bris in the holy bull but that only equated to an 89 beyer (which is also the number they gave him the fountain of youth ..nothing to do with point I'm making)..so one race they disagree by 2 points and the other 14..just too much of a difference and it happens regularly

**Easy-Rider 66** · 04-01-21, 01:36 AM

**Easy-Rider 66** · 04-01-21, 02:15 AM

Hot Rod Charlie	99	99	117	117
Medina Spirit	99	95	120	120
Mandaloun	98	82	113	104
Proxy	97	93	111	111
Essential Quality	96	96	118	118
Dream Shake	96	91	118	116
Highly Motivated	96	92	110	110
Midnight Bourbon	96	96	114	114
Weyburn	95	95	113	113
Crowded Trade	95	95	113	113
Concert Tour	94	94	116	116
Known Agenda	94	94	113	113
Caddo River	92	83	109	109
Soup and Sandwich	90	90	112	112
Prevalence	89	86	105	105
Greatest Honour	89	85	115	107
Risk Taking	89	89	109	109
Hozier	87	87	108	108
Helium	84	84	109	109
Hidden Stash	83	83	107	107
Rock Your World	82 (T)	82 (T)	105	102

**Easy-Rider 66** · 04-01-21, 02:17 AM

1st 2 figures are Highest Beyer/latest Beyer. then next 2 are Highest TImeform/latest TImeform

**JBEX** · 04-01-21, 08:35 AM

thanks easy..I've given up on greatest honor off his florida derby effort and risk taking (my other) is 5-2 ml in the wood today..according to the beyers both are too slow..already use brisnet and can check equibase numbers through their site..can't go too many directions for one race even though it is the derby so have to toss timeform as I don't use them year round..wouldn't be surprised if they're the best of those 3 even though I don't like pace mixed into the final number..huge disparity in how fast risk taking is between brisnet and equibase..really at the point of tossing figures and going with class instead..it's a joke how much they differ on scale

**Easy-Rider 66** · 04-01-21, 08:41 AM

Get your drift JBEX. I know that Thoro-graph gave Greatest Honor a pretty good number in Holy Bull and FOY. better than the Beyer came up I believe. anyhow it is what it is. I do not use Beyer's just BRIS and every now and then the sheet number.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 04-01-21, 08:44 AM

Greatest Honor got 1's for those 2 races. Not sure on the scale I must state between the sheet # and the Beyers though.

**JBEX** · 04-01-21, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66

Greatest Honor got 1's for those 2 races. Not sure on the scale I must state between the sheet # and the Beyers though.

can't really compare as the sheets (both)factor in weight and ground loss..a 1 on the ragozins is faster than a 1 on the thorographs

**JBEX** · 04-01-21, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by JBEX

can't really compare as the sheets (both)factor in weight and ground loss..a 1 on the ragozins is faster than a 1 on the thorographs

not a factor in stakes races..all the same..just ground loss

**Easy-Rider 66** · 04-01-21, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by JBEX

can't really compare as the sheets (both)factor in weight and ground loss..a 1 on the ragozins is faster than a 1 on the thorographs

ok not too familiar with the Ragozins. thx.