Pinnacle Line Move Question

**suicidekings** · 02-02-11, 04:29 AM

Somebody they respect hit them and they're taking a moment to assess their position before putting the line back up.

**do5000** · 02-02-11, 08:31 AM

sometimes its an injury to a key player

**joshschild11** · 02-02-11, 01:59 PM

pinnacle only takes a game off the board for 3 reasons.
1. Injury
2. Max bet is made on a play(this varies from sport to sport)
3. Multiple people hit the same game in a short period of time forcing them to adjust to even out the action.

Pinnacle only moves lines when people bet the games or when there is a notable injury in any case. they are in the business of attracting action on both sides of a game and collecting vig. if a max bet is made on a game they will move it 9 cents if they are offering a 10 cent line and 7 cents on and 8 cent line. Also you should pay attention to their current limits they take throughout the day. this will give you a better idea of how much money is coming in on a play. Overnight lines and early morning lines are offered at smaller limits so sharp players can adjust the lines with them taking on minimal risks before they open up the gates to higher limits. hope this helps

**wrongturn** · 02-02-11, 02:42 PM

thanks for the information

**durito** · 02-02-11, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by joshschild11

pinnacle only takes a game off the board for 3 reasons.
1. Injury
2. Max bet is made on a play(this varies from sport to sport)
3. Multiple people hit the same game in a short period of time forcing them to adjust to even out the action.

Pinnacle only moves lines when people bet the games or when there is a notable injury in any case. they are in the business of attracting action on both sides of a game and collecting vig. if a max bet is made on a game they will move it 9 cents if they are offering a 10 cent line and 7 cents on and 8 cent line. Also you should pay attention to their current limits they take throughout the day. this will give you a better idea of how much money is coming in on a play. Overnight lines and early morning lines are offered at smaller limits so sharp players can adjust the lines with them taking on minimal risks before they open up the gates to higher limits. hope this helps

The amount they move on a max bet is variable (account, sport, limit).

**Dank_Fire** · 02-02-11, 08:47 PM

Thanks for the info Josh

**Bluehorseshoe** · 05-03-11, 09:17 PM

What about a line move and taking away the drop down box option on a total?

I'm assuming that's purely a big hit.

**lordswing** · 05-03-11, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe

What about a line move and taking away the drop down box option on a total?

I'm assuming that's purely a big hit.

think it's fair to say Pinny isn't as confident when they don't have the drop down menus (NCAAB totals anyone?), which shows by the smaller limits

**TheMoneyShot** · 05-03-11, 10:56 PM

Pinnacle has several secrets they use. They tip plays majority of the time. They are easy to read. If you study book movements they can actually tell you which side will win. Movement isn't necessarily based on hitting one side extremely hard. Some books just want you to think that.

**Jontheman** · 05-15-11, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by joshschild11

if a max bet is made on a game they will move it 9 cents if they are offering a 10 cent line and 7 cents on and 8 cent line. Also you should pay attention to their current limits they take throughout the day. this will give you a better idea of how much money is coming in on a play.

My max bets do NOT move the lines I bet by these amounts. This may be a clue as to how much (little) Pinny respects my action

**smoke a bowl** · 05-17-11, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Jontheman

My max bets do NOT move the lines I bet by these amounts. This may be a clue as to how much (little) Pinny respects my action

They only move like that when limits are small and on off sports. Once the market is semi-established they generally only move 50-70% of the vig on a limit bet.

**smoke a bowl** · 05-17-11, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Pinnacle has several secrets they use. They tip plays majority of the time. They are easy to read. If you study book movements they can actually tell you which side will win. Movement isn't necessarily based on hitting one side extremely hard. Some books just want you to think that.

So Pinny knows who is going to win every game? Sign me up for that.

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**Monte** · 05-18-11, 07:19 AM

Last week i made an early $1k max bet on german bundesliga soccer on Monday, they took it offline for a while.
That wouldn't happen on a big market of course, lol

**katstale** · 05-18-11, 08:20 AM

A player can never spend enough time in analyzing Pinny moves. You don't need to be able to play at Pinny, you just need to know what they think. Enuff said.

**v1y** · 05-18-11, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Pinnacle has several secrets they use. They tip plays majority of the time. They are easy to read. If you study book movements they can actually tell you which side will win. Movement isn't necessarily based on hitting one side extremely hard. Some books just want you to think that.

Please elaborate.

**Full Time Hobo** · 05-18-11, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by v1y

Please elaborate.

What he is trying to say is that Pinny doesn't necessarily fix the games but by studying their line movements you can somewhat get an idea of what their position is on a game.

**Sawyer** · 05-18-11, 03:07 PM

books dont make predictions

**chunk** · 05-18-11, 04:41 PM

Much ado about nothing.

**chachi** · 05-19-11, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Sawyer

books dont make predictions

No but some still have in-house guys taking a view rather than just using BetRadar and tracking the Asians ...

Stan James is often 'generous' on over/under lines in Euro football relative to the rest of the UK market, and more often than not it's a trap and they are laughing at the final whistle.

**luegofuego** · 05-30-11, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by chachi

No but some still have in-house guys taking a view rather than just using BetRadar and tracking the Asians ... Stan James is often 'generous' on over/under lines in Euro football relative to the rest of the UK market, and more often than not it's a trap and they are laughing at the final whistle.

lololololoololololololol

**luegofuego** · 05-30-11, 07:35 AM

Sorry, guess I should clarify.

If you really believe what you just wrote, I'd be VERY happy to take action on whatever rogue lines Stan James are offering in the future. Thinking some schmuck trader at Stan James is "taking positions" and is out-smarting Asia is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.

**chachi** · 05-30-11, 07:49 AM

Easy there ... I did not say they are smarter than Pinny or the Asian line setters

Many times I see Stan's odds are 0.2 or 0.25 higher than anyone else, they sometimes even uphold them until kickoff, and yet more often than not seem to not end up getting hurt on being 'out' on that leg when it fails to cash.

Anytime I see one juicy I take it for whatever they'll allow me to have and let it ride, generally the +EV fails to hit.

(shrug)

**Thremp** · 05-30-11, 09:13 AM

wtf is that hypocritical abortion?

**durito** · 05-30-11, 11:39 AM

Then why can´t i bet more than $33.27 at stan james and what idiot sets these amounts?

**chachi** · 05-30-11, 12:11 PM

33.27 USD is probably their equivalent of 20 GBP ...

don't worry soon they will probably halve that if you win a few more bets

**durito** · 05-30-11, 12:16 PM

It was different every bet, never more than $50. I stopped playing there.

**chachi** · 05-30-11, 12:50 PM

they have their uses ...

**poloyol** · 07-21-11, 06:39 PM

No.... Pinny has clients who have good info on what the outcome will be.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 07-21-11, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Monte

Last week i made an early $1k max bet on german bundesliga soccer on Monday, they took it offline for a while.

Might be an automatic trigger, needed manual input. However, at the moment the linesman was away getting a doughnut, or banging the secretary.

**mikeanite** · 07-21-11, 07:01 PM

i would like to have more friends with experience in these areas. not a lot of help for me just on my own

**brad89** · 07-21-11, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by mikeanite

i would like to have more friends with experience in these areas. not a lot of help for me just on my own

Aren't we all friends here?

**That Foreign Guy** · 07-22-11, 06:20 AM

Anyone want to deal me Stan James' lines? Please. I think I'd even rebate you 10% of my yearly winnings to be able to bet Stan's lines.

The reason Stan's generous legs often fail you is because they tend to be the underdog and or confirmation bias.

**allin1** · 03-05-12, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by katstale

A player can never spend enough time in analyzing Pinny moves. You don't need to be able to play at Pinny, you just need to know what they think. Enuff said.

Originally posted by Full Time Hobo

What he is trying to say is that Pinny doesn't necessarily fix the games but by studying their line movements you can somewhat get an idea of what their position is on a game.

what is the best way to analyze line moves? I am using oddsportal and the graphs from betfair... is there any other good option?