True that you'll never be banned?

[illfuuptn]

I've heard that some people get limit collars from professional sportsbooks(pinnacle, bookmaker, etc.) even though these sites claim they will never limit a player's bet sizing. Is this true? Has anyone here had it happen? Has anyone here bet max on a site like bookmaker and won for years yet never been collared? 30 points for most helpful answer.

[Wrecktangle]

If you win consistently you will be either limited or banned by all books in operation today. Period. If you bet the max it will simply happen earlier.

Markets are different: Matchbook and Betfair have no interest in doing this and here you are limited by the market dynamics.

[Justin7]

Greek and Bookmaker will collar you if you bet a lot of steam, or find sneaky ways to get around their limits. I have never heard of them collaring just because you are winning. If you are originating, you are free to win as long as you choose.

Pinnacle does not take countermeasure for winning or betting steam. If you "double-pop" them, you and your friend will find your account closed. If you continuously bet bad lines (there are experts that only pick off these), you might draw their ire as well. In general though, Pinnacle is the most tolerant of all sportsbooks towards any method you can use to win.

[Thremp]

^

Factually incorrect.

[Justin7]

^

Factually incorrect.

If you have a correction, make it.

[Pokerjoe]

Really, I hate cryptic comments. Add something, or add nothing, but don't be a poseur.

[lasker]

At least he specified that it's factually incorrect, as otherwise I might have assumed it was a grammatical error.

[Data]

Really, I hate cryptic comments. Add something, or add nothing, but don't be a poseur.

No need to hate, most of them are just kids, give them some slack, it's growing pains.

[Thremp]

Bookmaker will slash odds. Greek will demand action on other markets.

Comments like you made are "factually incorrect" as in "they're fukkin wrong".

[Justin7]

Bookmaker will slash odds. Greek will demand action on other markets.

Comments like you made are "factually incorrect" as in "they're fukkin wrong".

It's nice to see you in a more meaningful dialogue.

I have seen bookmaker and greek slash limits on everyone. I've seen bookmaker slash odds on teasers against everyone. That is not a player counter-measure -- just an admission of defeat; they were losing on whatever they were offering.

I have never seen a complaint against Greek about demanding action on other markets. I'd love to see the email though. Do you think Greek should be a "rec" book? I'm pretty sure that props are 2/3rds of my action there, and I have never been warned about that.

[Halifax]

It's nice to see you in a more meaningful dialogue.

I have seen bookmaker and greek slash limits on everyone. I've seen bookmaker slash odds on teasers against everyone. That is not a player counter-measure -- just an admission of defeat; they were losing on whatever they were offering.

I have never seen a complaint against Greek about demanding action on other markets. I'd love to see the email though. Do you think Greek should be a "rec" book? I'm pretty sure that props are 2/3rds of my action there, and I have never been warned about that.

Justin, just because a book hasn't taken countermeasures against YOU, doesn't mean that they haven't taken them against others:

Fact # 1. TheGreek cut my teaser limits to $100 a couple of years ago, while leaving the bulk of their customers' teaser limits unchanged. So yes, The Greek does pick and choose whose limits they cut (at least on teasers).

Fact # 2. Bookmaker (well, BetCRIS to be precise, seeing that I'm in Canada) lowered my teaser odds a couple of years ago, while leaving the bulk of their customers' teaser odds unchanged. I also saw anecdotal evidence (other posters' stories) that this happened to other people in addition to myself. So yes, Bookmaker/CRIS did pick and choose whose teaser odds they lowered.
** Note: Since then (this football season), Bookmaker/CRIS appears to have lowered everyone's teaser odds, but that doesn't change the fact that they selectively reduced certain individuals' teaser odds in the recent past.

[Justin7]

Halifax,

If you bet BS teasers at Greek, they lower your limits. They do that to everyone (I don't know anyone that still has full limits on teasers). Same thing with correlated parlays there.

A couple years ago, Bookmaker (or one of its brands) lowered everyone's odds. When they moved platforms again, I think they inadvertently reset the teasers to the old odds about two years ago, and recently fixed 3-teamers.

I thought the main focus was: will these books limit you on straight betting (sides/totals). Outside of steam, I haven't seen any limitations applied individually.

[Shonner]

The only way around this is to move to Vegas or a country where you can go and place bets in person. If you move to Vegas, considering the # of books and their hours of operation, I highly doubt you will have any problem getting as much action as you want on any type of wager...assuming you're not betting 20k a pop. Tellers there don't care, just stay under the limit that requires them to grab manager review. I have a buddy that plays in Vegas, has been winning 6 figures off sports consistently for years (or so he says)

[Thremp]

If you don't call those player specific countermeasures, I'm not sure what you'd consider "player specific". Furthermore, Greek has demanded balanced action from numerous people. I know two personally who've had this claimed against them. One ignored, one complied. Nothing happened to either AFAIK.

[chenhongjuan]

If you have a correction, make it.

[Thremp]

Umm... Didn't I just make multiple corrections? Furthermore, lowered payouts, lowered limits, increased movement, etc etc are all "player specific". Even something as specific as player specific profiling is clearly PLAYER SPECIFIC. I've seen accounts that create 3x the movement of other accounts a Pinnacle.

Is this a player specific measure? ... or profiling? or... both?

[durito]

It's nice to see you in a more meaningful dialogue.


I have never seen a complaint against Greek about demanding action on other markets. I'd love to see the email though. Do you think Greek should be a "rec" book? I'm pretty sure that props are 2/3rds of my action there, and I have never been warned about that.

Wally has emailed me more than once to say that if props did not account for <50% of my action going forward they would be limited to $100. First this was for actual props, but now apparently quarters are considered props

[Justin7]

Wally has emailed me more than once to say that if props did not account for <50% of my action going forward they would be limited to $100. First this was for actual props, but now apparently quarters are considered props

Thanks. I stand corrected on Greek.

[sportscash]

I got limited to $50 on NFL at 5dimes and ive only bet NFL there for 3 weeks.

[ufcmma36]

I got limited to $50 on NFL at 5dimes and ive only bet NFL there for 3 weeks.

Thats horrible!!!! that being said how much you get em for....lol