[pologq]

I sorta liked it more back in the offshore cult days. Seemed to be more mystical than todays environment for sure.

same here. just felt different. now it is too mainstream. all the "experts" on social media. i miss the days when you were a "rebel" but gambling.

[lakerboy]

How do you define wrong? Offshore also generally leads on late moves as well.

When offshore leads you can see onshore not following in step and look at the results.

[pologq]

and thats the way it is pologg betting within your means if you have like $300 cash then thats it that week

i normally go no more than $250 in nfl taking the games that just glow off the page at me

so far this year winning weekly now i got car bac today but seriuos bad weather goona kill me not able to work even fri heavy rains might turn into ice all over delaware county and philly snow i can deal with ice nmf even turning street i slid into car at idle speed

exactly. i have my set amount and bet my percentages. it works cause i survived croatia loss yesterday. today i win with france. either way the highs and lows are not extreme.

[garygroundwork]

Used to gamble every day...it was all I thought about (lived in a boring town with nothing going on) I was completely obsessed.

Now I gamble less but much bigger amounts.

[d2bets]

When offshore leads you can see onshore not following in step and look at the results.

Interesting. Admittedly, I'm not betting very much pregame so I'm not sure, but that would be surprising. Love to see that data. Is that a specific market? Live/halftime is where onshore hasn't a clue.

[stevenash]

Riddle me this?

If heroin was legalized, do you think a straight edge Christian would become a dope user just because it's legal and easy to obtain?

Same question now as applied to sports wagering.

Now that sports betting is legalized in pretty much all fifty states, do you think say a baseball fan who has no interest in gambling but just loves the game will suddenly become some sort of degenerate just because it's legal?

[jjgold]

Bet with with your head not over it

[Waterstpub87]

Ehh.

Currently, takes 20 minutes to set up calcs for tomorrows games. 5 minutes more to place the bets. Bankroll is at a good place, not where I wish it was, but good enough. Grind a decent profit every year. Get free T-Shirts from Draftkings. Don't have much time for hobbies, this is a decent enough one to have. Wouldn't be comfortable spending money on a hobby. Despite betting hundreds on a game, still spend time debating if the 10$ is worth it on a steam game thats on sale.

[turbobets]

Interesting. Admittedly, I'm not betting very much pregame so I'm not sure, but that would be surprising. Love to see that data. Is that a specific market? Live/halftime is where onshore hasn't a clue.

He has no data.

[Crusherrr]

Riddle me this?

If heroin was legalized, do you think a straight edge Christian would become a dope user just because it's legal and easy to obtain?

Same question now as applied to sports wagering.

Now that sports betting is legalized in pretty much all fifty states, do you think say a baseball fan who has no interest in gambling but just loves the game will suddenly become some sort of degenerate just because it's legal?

I don't think it's a fair comparison. Most people aren't going to experiment with drugs, especially something like Heroin just because it's legalized. I don't think gambling is really taken seriously as an addiction issue. So therefore people don't see the harm in giving it a try.

Sports betting is mainstream now, showing pre-game odds and live odds and ads all over the screen and at timeouts/commercials- you can't really avoid it. If you watch sporting events, it's just there. Yes, you can ignore it. But it's tempting to try, and as I said above- sports betting doesn't really have a negative stigma. People may know before playing that casino games and slots are losing propositions, but with all the "experts" on TV and social media many will consider it more of an investment.

The topic is consumption. Overall, when people have money on the game they will be watching that game till the end to see if their bet wins. People become slaves to the screen. But the sportsbooks and cable providers are loving it.

[stevenash]

I don't think it's a fair comparison. Most people aren't going to experiment with drugs, especially something like Heroin just because it's legalized. I don't think gambling is really taken seriously as an addiction issue. So therefore people don't see the harm in giving it a try.

Sports betting is mainstream now, showing pre-game odds and live odds and ads all over the screen and at timeouts/commercials- you can't really avoid it. If you watch sporting events, it's just there. Yes, you can ignore it. But it's tempting to try, and as I said above- sports betting doesn't really have a negative stigma. People may know before playing that casino games and slots are losing propositions, but with all the "experts" on TV and social media many will consider it more of an investment.

The topic is consumption. Overall, when people have money on the game they will be watching that game till the end to see if their bet wins. People become slaves to the screen. But the sportsbooks and cable providers are loving it.

I know, and I wasn't trying to hijack the thread, but it's an interesting question.

[jedihyoju]

Im glad I was betting like crazy in my early 20 college days...

Learned my lesson and being more careful sportsbetting with job and income.

If I started to gamble now like my early 20's I would sell my wife and my house.

lol

[TheMoneyShot]

There's a fine line between what is your ultimate goal, money coming in/leaving your hands, and your time. If you don't figure out "that said number" daily... or per wager... based on the "value of your time"... you're never going to be happy.

When I hear people wagering $10 $20 $30 $40 $50 per game. I laugh. Are you literally watching these games? Or basically placing the wager and just watching the scoreboard at the end of the day? If you say... well... I don't watch the games at all. Then, how exactly are you "feeling" anything out? Stats are one thing... but you need to "feel" what the hell is going on. And if you are watching a game for 3 hours and studying... you better be winning.. otherwise you are wasting your life.

So to answer the OP's question... yes in a way we are all consumed by this. If you look at spreads on the board... you are consumed.

[d2bets]

There's a fine line between what is your ultimate goal, money coming in/leaving your hands, and your time. If you don't figure out "that said number" daily... or per wager... based on the "value of your time"... you're never going to be happy.

When I hear people wagering $10 $20 $30 $40 $50 per game. I laugh. Are you literally watching these games? Or basically placing the wager and just watching the scoreboard at the end of the day? If you say... well... I don't watch the games at all. Then, how exactly are you "feeling" anything out? Stats are one thing... but you need to "feel" what the hell is going on. And if you are watching a game for 3 hours and studying... you better be winning.. otherwise you are wasting your life.

So to answer the OP's question... yes in a way we are all consumed by this. If you look at spreads on the board... you are consumed.

Dude, what? Most people do bet $10-50 and then watch the games thinking they can divine outcomes. Half the time they are right, lol.

"Looking at spreads on the board" is how winners do it. Actually, basically the only way to win is by being consumed by it.

[jedihyoju]

There's a fine line between what is your ultimate goal, money coming in/leaving your hands, and your time. If you don't figure out "that said number" daily... or per wager... based on the "value of your time"... you're never going to be happy.

When I hear people wagering $10 $20 $30 $40 $50 per game. I laugh. Are you literally watching these games? Or basically placing the wager and just watching the scoreboard at the end of the day? If you say... well... I don't watch the games at all. Then, how exactly are you "feeling" anything out? Stats are one thing... but you need to "feel" what the hell is going on. And if you are watching a game for 3 hours and studying... you better be winning.. otherwise you are wasting your life.

So to answer the OP's question... yes in a way we are all consumed by this. If you look at spreads on the board... you are consumed.

$50 bet is big bet to a lot of people rich bro

[JayLA]

Pff, $50 is enough for casual bettors. I'd say more than enough. Not sure what you pros are complaining about. It's our money and when you win, it's in your pocket.

[d2bets]

Pff, $50 is enough for casual bettors. I'd say more than enough. Not sure what you pros are complaining about. It's our money and when you win, it's in your pocket.

People think if you bet $50 100 times that you are risking $5,000. But, frankly, at least with traditional spreads, you aren't. Nobody is losing all 100. Throw a dart and you'll hit close to 50. Even if you are really bad/unlucky, you win 45 and end up losing $700 or so out of the $5,000.

[OldBill]

it's all about money management and playing only few games per day like 4 or maybe 2 that glow at you off the page

so you got $200 u know 4 games s/u ats are winners 2 dogs to win the win game so u bet $50 on each and boom 100% you won becuase of your previous results same situations knowing these teams will succeed or lose

like i know every teams weakneses like raiders early east game i couldnt believe they were favored by 2.5 @ Saints

ML on Saints +120 and i have $500 cash to bet with 5 games i knew i had edges wam pow boom went 4-1 plus the in game stuff win margins n e time td's etc... so even a s/u loser i win $$$ catching ne time td at +250 or as high as +750 as i did with nelson agoholor of patriots about 2 months ago $20 i won $$170 paid out

[d2bets]

it's all about money management and playing only few games per day like 4 or maybe 2 that glow at you off the page

so you got $200 u know 4 games s/u ats are winners 2 dogs to win the win game so u bet $50 on each and boom 100% you won becuase of your previous results same situations knowing these teams will succeed or lose

like i know every teams weakneses like raiders early east game i couldnt believe they were favored by 2.5 @ Saints

ML on Saints +120 and i have $500 cash to bet with 5 games i knew i had edges wam pow boom went 4-1 plus the in game stuff win margins n e time td's etc... so even a s/u loser i win $$$ catching ne time td at +250 or as high as +750 as i did with nelson agoholor of patriots about 2 months ago $20 i won $$170 paid out

I think opposite.
If you actually have an edge, you want as many bets as possible to: a. realize your edge; and b. maximize your profit.
Of course if you don't have an edge and just want entertainment, then less is better.

[lakerboy]

Dude, what? Most people do bet $10-50 and then watch the games thinking they can divine outcomes. Half the time they are right, lol.

"Looking at spreads on the board" is how winners do it. Actually, basically the only way to win is by being consumed by it.

Last sentence should be the end of the thread.

SPOT ON

[texhooper]

I manage to be consumed by it and also lose. But I’m winning lately, so that’s all that matters. And when I’m back to losing I can think back to this very moment when I made this very post, and it will justify everything

[pologq]

Ehh.

Currently, takes 20 minutes to set up calcs for tomorrows games. 5 minutes more to place the bets. Bankroll is at a good place, not where I wish it was, but good enough. Grind a decent profit every year. Get free T-Shirts from Draftkings. Don't have much time for hobbies, this is a decent enough one to have. Wouldn't be comfortable spending money on a hobby. Despite betting hundreds on a game, still spend time debating if the 10$ is worth it on a steam game thats on sale.

funny how i can bet $100 on a game no problem but get mad when my food shopping trip for 3 items ends up with more items and approaching $100

[TheMoneyShot]

Dude, what? Most people do bet $10-50 and then watch the games thinking they can divine outcomes. Half the time they are right, lol.

"Looking at spreads on the board" is how winners do it. Actually, basically the only way to win is by being consumed by it.

$50 bet is big bet to a lot of people rich bro

Pff, $50 is enough for casual bettors. I'd say more than enough. Not sure what you pros are complaining about. It's our money and when you win, it's in your pocket.

You guys are missing the point. What I'm saying is... it's not worth the stress involved wagering $10-$50.... I never said heavy hitters are going to walk right in and make HUGE MONEY. What I'm saying is... judging on common winning percentage for a gambler... it's definitely not worth your time doing this. Might as well do something else with your life.

If you aren't going to do this on a semi-professional or professional level.... I don't see the value in it? It wastes time... challenges your emotions... etc. If you say well I'm just a recreational gambler? Well people smoke pot who claim are recreational users... they eventually become consumed by it. Furthermore, if you are "recreational" you aren't putting the adequate amount of time studying games. That also leads to losses. So again... why are you gambling for?? There's no point.

[d2bets]

You guys are missing the point. What I'm saying is... it's not worth the stress involved wagering $10-$50.... I never said heavy hitters are going to walk right in and make HUGE MONEY. What I'm saying is... judging on common winning percentage for a gambler... it's definitely not worth your time doing this. Might as well do something else with your life.

If you aren't going to do this on a semi-professional or professional level.... I don't see the value in it? It wastes time... challenges your emotions... etc. If you say well I'm just a recreational gambler? Well people smoke pot who claim are recreational users... they eventually become consumed by it. Furthermore, if you are "recreational" you aren't putting the adequate amount of time studying games. That also leads to losses. So again... why are you gambling for?? There's no point.

Some people can bet 10-50 for fun and not stress it or be consumed by it.

[dante1]

Well, I'm not good at it so I can't really be SO consumed. But I really like looking at the odds, seeing what bettors are doing and predicting what might happen. If i happen to have some disposable income, I'll make a small bet to make a match more enjoyable

nobody is good at it. anybody who claims the opposite is a very very rare bird or a huge BS artist. this is not opinion this is what I have observed from decades of booking. and that is at the end of the year no one or virtually no one is ahead. people on this forum will argue with me and more and more, my comment is prove it. list your plays for 5 or 6 months.

[TheMoneyShot]

Some people can bet 10-50 for fun and not stress it or be consumed by it.

I see. Technically you are consumed by it... go to the gym... go to church... there's no advantage to this as a hobby. The highs and lows isn't worth your life... part time. Anyone who says losing $10 bucks doesn't bother you emotionally... is full of sh##. Losing is a negative emotional feeling. I never met anyone who was happy... full of vigor... losing. And there's no way in hell you will ever win doing this "for fun" or part time.

[d2bets]

nobody is good at it. anybody who claims the opposite is a very very rare bird or a huge BS artist. this is not opinion this is what I have observed from decades of booking. and that is at the end of the year no one or virtually no one is ahead. people on this forum will argue with me and more and more, my comment is prove it. list your plays for 5 or 6 months.

How many times do I have to tell you you're wrong? You know I don't bullshit. If what you say is right, why do you suppose so many books (almost all) limit certain bettors? True that most lose (because most don't have a clue), but plenty can win and it's not that hard.

[d2bets]

I see. Technically you are consumed by it... go to the gym... go to church... there's no advantage to this as a hobby. The highs and lows isn't worth your life... part time. Anyone who says losing $10 bucks doesn't bother you emotionally... is full of sh##. Losing is a negative emotional feeling. I never met anyone who was happy... full of vigor... losing. And there's no way in hell you will ever win doing this "for fun" or part time.

I agree, just where I'm at, I would never bet 10-50 or whatever. I'm either all-in or all-out. I've done both over the past two decades. But I don't do in-between.

[goduke]

nobody is good at it. anybody who claims the opposite is a very very rare bird or a huge BS artist. this is not opinion this is what I have observed from decades of booking. and that is at the end of the year no one or virtually no one is ahead. people on this forum will argue with me and more and more, my comment is prove it. list your plays for 5 or 6 months.

Change your statement to nobody is good at it who doesnt spend the right amount of time on it. Theres so much to betting, that if you think you can just pick a game each night do a few minutes of research and win long term you are wrong. Each game even the ones you dont bet on give you a ton of information. You need this information to find edges in the way that books handle games, handle live lines, etc.
This is the only way to win long term without just simply winning coin flips. And then even if you dedicate the proper time to it you can still not succeed if you cant control your urges, handle losing spells, etc. 95% of more of people cant handle their day to day emotional swings even without gambling so if they arent even capable of that without betting they will fail at this.
These thoughts are strictly related to game betting not prop betting. Someone else can speak on that, its not my forte.

[TheMoneyShot]

I don't want posters getting the wrong idea about my posts. All I'm saying is.... as an individual... you must evaluate what is worth your wager, your time, and outcome. The grind is exhausting for a few dollar wagers. To each their own.

[luvtogamble]

i bet 365 days a year and have been doing so for over 50 years

[JayLA]

nobody is good at it. anybody who claims the opposite is a very very rare bird or a huge BS artist. this is not opinion this is what I have observed from decades of booking. and that is at the end of the year no one or virtually no one is ahead. people on this forum will argue with me and more and more, my comment is prove it. list your plays for 5 or 6 months.

I agree with you. I know a few guys who book and they tell me the same.

Yes, some guys get limited, but that doesn't mean they're NOT underwater in lifetime losses.

Consumed to me is a nicer way of saying addicted. I think we throw that word around a lot, addicted. It's mind over matter. If you can take breaks, not sell your sister's jewelry to get down on action, then you've got it under control - you're not consumed. You're just another losing gambler.

[Goat Milk]

Yes. Feel compelled to grab the extra income while it's available. Requires me to "work" endless hours, but while it is work it doesn't quite feel like other work. Someday I'll rest.

You won't though. You'll bet till you die. We all will. You're justifying it as extra income now but there will be a day where you don't need or even care for the extra income, and you'll simply be doing it for the rush of it.

[Goat Milk]

To add to that D2, I would say that most of us don't even enjoy watching sports anymore withoout a gamble. Even though all of us clearly grew up on sports in a much different way than the average person. Me and you discuss eras from the 90s all the time on here. The joy of the game has been ruined for people like us by gambling. If you don't believe it, take 6 months off and see how many games you actually tune into. It won't be with the same passion or consistency at all.

Sometimes in life though you will be faced with an ultimatum, that might be from a spouse/gf, it might be a wake up call from someone else. Then maybe it would be considered more like a drug. Like it's either me or this. And I know that's happened to some people on here, probably even ones that make money doing this. It's not a healthy lifestyle at the end of the day.

If there are no acknowledged mental side effects, we will just keep doing it. The reason we stop drugs is because they hurt us physically and mentally. Gambling doesn't hurt us physically. You get the rush and just have to deal with the mental when you lose. If I could smoke cigarrettes and drink a 5th of liquor everyday for the rest of my life with no negative consequences, you don't think I would?

[jjgold]

It should take you no more than 5-7 minutes to look at a 100 game card and make choices
Pros know off numbers

Any more time your a jerkoff