What Is The W/L In College Football With Large Line Movement?

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  • jpete1966
    SBR Sharp
    • 09-14-09
    • 347

    #1
    What Is The W/L In College Football With Large Line Movement?
    O.k., this is the third time I've seen this in the last week. The La Tech/Hawaii game had a huge line movement the Michigan/Michigan State game had a huge line movement and the La Tech/Nevada line moved up substantially. They are 3-0. Does anyone know what the yearly w/l is for large movements? I went big on Nevada simply because of the upward line. It felt like it was predetermined. I know anything could happen but c'mon. I was on Michigan last week and the only way State was going to cover was if Michigan threw an interception and State ran it in for a touchdown even though they were only playing for a field goal. Just curious if anyone has looked at the record when there is a substantial movement.
  • frpm00
    SBR Hustler
    • 10-01-09
    • 59

    #2
    I've been tracking this for the past few weeks and it hits fairly often. Working on the % now ill come back with the %. Just for example i tracked 5 games this week were a home fave where the line moved up by more then 2 points. Was 4-1 ( that the home Fave won & covered ) only loss being Wake Forest. Troy ( open -4 GTL -7 ), Nevada ( OL -7, GTL -10.5 ) Cent Mich ( OL -21 GTL -23 ), Ohio St ( OL -14.5 GTL -14.5 *** was -16.5 up to 3ish saturday ), Wake Forest ( OL -10 GTL -12.5 ).

    that Ohio State game was a vert very late movement abck down to the opening spread but only 35% of th epublic was on Ohio State.
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    • frpm00
      SBR Hustler
      • 10-01-09
      • 59

      #3
      also you can throw Virginia in if you want OL -6 GTL -7 but everyone was on Indiana VA only had 30% of the public
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      • LT Profits
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-27-06
        • 90963

        #4
        Actually it is impossible to answer this without knowing WHEN bet was placed. If you got bet down when line moved, say, one point off of opener, of course record will be better than record vs. closing line.
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        • DeluxeLiner
          SBR MVP
          • 01-29-08
          • 4132

          #5
          As LT said... If you beat the closing line, you will be a long term winner (granted you have good money management)
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          • jpete1966
            SBR Sharp
            • 09-14-09
            • 347

            #6
            Once again another Tuesday night game that a select few knew more about than everyone else. The line moves from -1 to +3 on Arkansas State. I don't think this is coincidence 5 times in a row now.
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            • dwaechte
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 08-27-07
              • 5481

              #7
              Originally posted by jpete1966
              Once again another Tuesday night game that a select few knew more about than everyone else. The line moves from -1 to +3 on Arkansas State. I don't think this is coincidence 5 times in a row now.
              5 times and you don't think it could be a coincidence?
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              • jpete1966
                SBR Sharp
                • 09-14-09
                • 347

                #8
                Here are the last 5 I've tracked:

                Wake Forest vs. NC State - Started NC State -1 ended WF -2.5/-3 WF wins 30-24
                LA Tech vs. Hawaii - Started La Tech -3 ended LA tech -6/-6.5 La Tech Wins 27-6
                Michigan vs Michigan State - Started Michigan -1 ended State -3.5/-4 State Wins 26-20
                Nevada vs. LA Tech - Started Nevada -7 ended Nevada -11.5/-12 Nevada Wins 37-14
                Ark State vs. ULM - Started Ark State -1 ended ULM -2.5/-3 ULM Wins 16-10

                All 5 of these had LARGE line movements and all 5 covered even after the movement. I understand that the value diminishes as the line increases and if you don't catch it early there is a diminished return but there looks to be a strong correlation on the large movements. I'm not a math whiz and I'm sure there are a lot of people on this site that are smarter than I am but I never see any strong writeups in these situations. If nothing else, these lines scream stay away if you were thinking the opposite side. What am I missing here?
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                • Arilou
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 07-16-06
                  • 475

                  #9
                  I would be very wary of calling -1 to less than -3 a "large" movement.
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                  • jpete1966
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 09-14-09
                    • 347

                    #10
                    They were both -1 for the other team to -3 for the team that was the underdog. So +4 movement with the underdogs flip-flopping.
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                    • BigCap
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 02-10-08
                      • 189

                      #11
                      A move of +1 to -2.5 expressed in odds adjust terms is -100 to -125 (no vig), about 25 cents. I would not call that a "large" move, but a move nonetheless. 2 of the games you mentioned fit this profile.

                      A move of +1 to -3 is much bigger, from -100 to -145.

                      Originally posted by jpete1966
                      They were both -1 for the other team to -3 for the team that was the underdog. So +4 movement with the underdogs flip-flopping.
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                      • shantystar
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 11-13-05
                        • 7299

                        #12
                        Originally posted by LT Profits
                        Actually it is impossible to answer this without knowing WHEN bet was placed. If you got bet down when line moved, say, one point off of opener, of course record will be better than record vs. closing line.
                        you are very right
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                        • man3645
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 09-18-09
                          • 269

                          #13
                          Watch line movements on NCAA totals, especially when they move from high 50s or 60s to down, good value here
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                          • S.K.M.
                            SBR MVP
                            • 11-06-09
                            • 1115

                            #14
                            What is a good site to look at line movements?
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                            • Peregrine Stoop
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 10-23-09
                              • 869

                              #15
                              SBRodds
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                              • byronbb
                                SBR MVP
                                • 11-13-08
                                • 3067

                                #16
                                Use Pinnacle's dynamic line setting to watch the line change in real-time.
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                                • filter15
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 11-05-09
                                  • 549

                                  #17
                                  anywhere you can find the consensus history too for archives?
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