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  • StackinGreen
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    • 10-09-10
    • 12140

    #1
    Brandon Lang and the consideration of the probability of streaks
    The Golden Goose Lang has raised some inquiries in my mind lately that might prove helpful to the way we look at life and gambling, considering our general intuition or conceptions about reality, but more fully elucidated with mathematics. That is, recently Lang is 3-19 in the last 22 days, I think with the worst streak at around 11 days straight of losers.

    The mathematics of this can be helpful for us as handicappers as well, and I'm sure it's been discussed at least in passing on some threads here over the years. Just for fun, let's see what the odds of a streak of 5 are (Heads or Tails, we can equate that to Win or Loss, but I'll talk about that more in a second):

    If you flip a coin 50 times, the odds of a streak of 5 in a row (heads or tails) is about 82%. That means either side in particular is about 41%.

    Let's look at a year of "flips" around 365, that is, picking every day for a year:

    There is a 28% probability that you'll get a streak of 10, heads or tails. By the way, a streak of 9 is 50% and a streak of 8 is about 75%.

    From graphs that can show this distribution for varying number of "throws" or "picks" let's take Lang's 11 in a row for a year set (365). The odds that 11 in a row, either side, that would turn up is about 13% (again, which means about 6.5% that it would be a "winning" or "losing" streak in particular).

    17 losses in a row, the worst I've seen him, is pretty much off the charts. That tells us something, I believe, in particular:

    Picking games isn't 50/50
    , particularly on the losing side, I'd argue. Even with a 365 toss or pick set (a year) the odds are almost nil that he would lose (or win) 17 in a row.

    This conclusion is actually encouraging, depending on how you are. But let's get back to explaining how one could lose so many, or so many in a row even. My theory is that the human side of handicapping, particularly when you are losing, is so influenced by outside factors (confidence, the "public", worry about being too bold or too conservative --- all of which reinforce one another) that the losing side is FAR more susceptible to streaks. This is intuitively, if not empirically true. In a sense, the mathematics shows us that my hypothesis should be accepted, given the near impossible probability of Mr. Lang, even with a set above 365, of losing 17 in a row.

    All in all, I thought you guys would find this interesting --- I hope you do --- and learn something about how truly common streaks are, but how losing streaks are much more than random.
  • dhristov211
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    • 12-18-15
    • 2535

    #2
    what do you say,that Lang has to flip coin instead of "capping"? it would give better ROI?
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    • StackinGreen
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      • 10-09-10
      • 12140

      #3
      Absolutely. He would see a neglible change in winning streaks (either way) but he DEFINITELY would see a decrease in the extent of his LOSING streaks.

      Think about how pathetic that is for a second.

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      • anthonyalgoo
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        • 11-04-15
        • 1

        #4
        maybe he is doing it on purpose. As a seasoned handicapper that sells picks all he had to do was pick the same team to eventually cover.
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        • bambambegelow
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          • 01-02-16
          • 37

          #5
          Fading lang method is my 2nd most lucrative strategy of the 10 years that I am betting. I have been a long time lurker here and I am glad this thread was opened. From my observation of lang in the past 7 years, the best time to fade him is Mid November to end of January or the nfl semi finals.
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          • StackinGreen
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            • 10-09-10
            • 12140

            #6
            Originally posted by bambambegelow
            Fading lang method is my 2nd most lucrative strategy of the 10 years that I am betting. I have been a long time lurker here and I am glad this thread was opened. From my observation of lang in the past 7 years, the best time to fade him is Mid November to end of January or the nfl semi finals.

            Thanks BamBam.

            Folks, BamBam confirms exactly what I have put together and have claimed for some time (and I've been watching Lang for about 5 years now). Near the end of College football through Super Bowl is the time.

            Everything else is probably 30-52%, but our sweet spot from late November to February is 30% and less. It's unreal when you factor in X dime amounts.

            Cheers, BamBam!
            Last edited by StackinGreen; 01-21-16, 05:02 PM.
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            • dhristov211
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              • 12-18-15
              • 2535

              #7
              Originally posted by StackinGreen
              Absolutely. He would see a neglible change in winning streaks (either way) but he DEFINITELY would see a decrease in the extent of his LOSING streaks.

              Think about how pathetic that is for a second.

              my friend from california did pay this HANDICAPPER lolol

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              • Buffalo Nickle
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                • 11-12-14
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                #8
                Fade Brandon Lang and mathematics are two things that should not be discussed in the same post. D-U-M Dumb!
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                • StackinGreen
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 10-09-10
                  • 12140

                  #9
                  Originally posted by dhristov211
                  my friend from california did pay this HANDICAPPER lolol


                  Just out of interest, what was the basis or reason for using Lang over Capper X, let's say? Did he have one?
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                  • MonkeyF0cker
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                    • 06-12-07
                    • 12144

                    #10
                    Originally posted by StackinGreen
                    Just out of interest, what was the basis or reason for using Lang over Capper X, let's say? Did he have one?
                    A more relevant question (which you should be asking yourself instead) would be what is the basis for using Lang and one streak of his over the multitudes of other handicappers and their streaks for your analysis? Using one statistical anomaly to "prove" a null hypothesis that "Picking games isn't 50/50, particularly on the losing side" fails in both hypothesis testing and logic. Aren't you implying that picking games could be "50/50" on the "winning side" without the "losing side" being "50/50" as well?
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                    • statnerds
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                      • 09-23-09
                      • 4047

                      #11
                      gamblers ruin disputes everything OP wrote

                      i lived through RAS going 2-23, should we fade him too?

                      or is your position that you are smart enough to time only play lang's losing streaks, and we should just accept the 'confirmed' numbers, site unseen?

                      4.54%
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                      • dhristov211
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                        • 12-18-15
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by StackinGreen
                        Just out of interest, what was the basis or reason for using Lang over Capper X, let's say? Did he have one?
                        he saw that film and bought subscription next week, he's a n00b lol
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                        • StackinGreen
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                          • 10-09-10
                          • 12140

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

                          A more relevant question (which you should be asking yourself instead) would be what is the basis for using Lang and one streak of his over the multitudes of other handicappers and their streaks for your analysis? Using one statistical anomaly to "prove" a null hypothesis that "Picking games isn't 50/50, particularly on the losing side" fails in both hypothesis testing and logic. Aren't you implying that picking games could be "50/50" on the "winning side" without the "losing side" being "50/50" as well?
                          I can show multiple people where in the long run they are not 50-50, even with alpha .05

                          Are some people 50/50 pickers? Sure. The point is (null hypothesis) that ALL people are not 50-50, even in the long run. Get it now?

                          Originally posted by statnerds
                          gamblers ruin disputes everything OP wrote

                          i lived through RAS going 2-23, should we fade him too?

                          or is your position that you are smart enough to time only play lang's losing streaks, and we should just accept the 'confirmed' numbers, site unseen?

                          4.54%
                          You shouldn't accept anything "sight unseen" unless you have a reason to trust someone or something "sight unseen". I certainly don't expect it, though, if that's your question.

                          Someone might be better, but my posts here over the years prove that I've made a a lot of money recognizing when Lang goes on burners (for the worse for him, for the FADE great)
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                          • bambambegelow
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 01-02-16
                            • 37

                            #14
                            Originally posted by StackinGreen
                            Thanks BamBam.

                            Folks, BamBam confirms exactly what I have put together and have claimed for some time (and I've been watching Lang for about 5 years now). Near the end of College football through Super Bowl is the time.

                            Everything else is probably 30-52%, but our sweet spot from late November to February is 30% and less. It's unreal when you factor in X dime amounts.

                            Cheers, BamBam!
                            I forgot to mention that i fade only his 40 unit or higher plays. he is the biggest sheep of all time. he will play small and careful and when he wins a few he will get confident and go big only to lose. then he will follow up with some big chases and loses more.

                            I am telling you guys. Fading lang like that is the best. You can buy few investment properties or some nice luxury cars doing this. I have 3 bankrolls. My first bankroll is the biggest 65% of the total bankroll that is dedicated to following bettingresource picks. 30% dedicated to fading lang like i explained above. and the final 10% for my own action degen bets.

                            I haven't have to re-invest for the first two method in years and they have been cash machines. the last one i have to re-up every now and then because i suck at picking games but i still love it and i do it but only with tiny bankroll that is more like an entertainment expense.
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                            • bambambegelow
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                              • 01-02-16
                              • 37

                              #15
                              Originally posted by statnerds
                              gamblers ruin disputes everything OP wrote

                              i lived through RAS going 2-23, should we fade him too?

                              or is your position that you are smart enough to time only play lang's losing streaks, and we should just accept the 'confirmed' numbers, site unseen?

                              4.54%

                              Ras is the biggest pos ever. His methods might have worked few years ago but there is no way one can finish +ev even when he has a winning season because of his market selection and when he releases picks.
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                              • MonkeyF0cker
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 06-12-07
                                • 12144

                                #16
                                Originally posted by StackinGreen
                                I can show multiple people where in the long run they are not 50-50, even with alpha .05

                                Are some people 50/50 pickers? Sure. The point is (null hypothesis) that ALL people are not 50-50, even in the long run. Get it now?
                                Where has anyone EVER stated that ALL handicappers have a 50% win probability? Line moves alone would make that absolutely impossible to be true. Cherry-picking anomalies to "prove" a null hypothesis (which in itself is impossible... hypothesis testing never proves, it only disproves) fails on so many levels.
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                                • StackinGreen
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                                  • 10-09-10
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                  Where has anyone EVER stated that ALL handicappers have a 50% win probability? Line moves alone would make that absolutely impossible to be true. Cherry-picking anomalies to "prove" a null hypothesis (which in itself is impossible... hypothesis testing never proves, it only disproves) fails on so many levels.
                                  Are you retarded? I never stated that. You must have made up what you just said, and it makes no sense, nor goes against anything I've said. I'm not even sure what your point is. Mine is that picking isn't 50-50 like a coin flip when you consider winning and losing streaks with a particular human being. Lang consistently proves that he is far worse, statistically improbably worse on that down side. Let's see if your pea brain can figure out why that is.
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                                  • MonkeyF0cker
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                                    • 06-12-07
                                    • 12144

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by StackinGreen
                                    Are you retarded? I never stated that. You must have made up what you just said, and it makes no sense, nor goes against anything I've said. I'm not even sure what your point is. Mine is that picking isn't 50-50 like a coin flip when you consider winning and losing streaks with a particular human being. Lang consistently proves that he is far worse, statistically improbably worse on that down side. Let's see if your pea brain can figure out why that is.
                                    You never stated this?

                                    Originally posted by StackinGreen
                                    The point is (null hypothesis) that ALL people are not 50-50, even in the long run.
                                    Really? You wanna try again?

                                    Taking the win/loss records of a subset of handicappers alone has absolutely no statistical significance as to whether "picking isn't 50-50 like a coin flip" - especially not a subset consisting of one streak from one guy. Learn math before you try insulting people.
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                                    • StackinGreen
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                                      • 10-09-10
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                                      #19
                                      Let's just quit wasting time, Monkey boy. Are there pros (that means they make a living doing it means they make money)?

                                      We both know, YES there are.

                                      Picking therefore, very simply, is not a 50-50 endeavor. Again, is it for some? Yes, there's a particular curve distribution for it, I'm sure. Those without knowledge will not win, and they will be somewhere on there depending on how many plays and what time frame you judge them over. Still others do worse because they chase and play late, betting into worse lines than openers on the same very team, etc

                                      That was the point for your pea brain to understand
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                                      • MonkeyF0cker
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 06-12-07
                                        • 12144

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by StackinGreen
                                        Let's just quit wasting time, Monkey boy. Are there pros (that means they make a living doing it means they make money)?

                                        We both know, YES there are.

                                        Picking therefore, very simply, is not a 50-50 endeavor. Again, is it for some? Yes, there's a particular curve distribution for it, I'm sure. Those without knowledge will not win, and they will be somewhere on there depending on how many plays and what time frame you judge them over. Still others do worse because they chase and play late, betting into worse lines than openers on the same very team, etc

                                        That was the point for your pea brain to understand
                                        Yes, everyone knows this. You, however, still don't understand that your "math" doesn't prove any of these obvious things. Thanks for trying. Come again when you finally comprehend this.
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