College Coaches Who Outperform their Talent

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  • ritehook
    SBR MVP
    • 08-12-06
    • 2244

    #1
    College Coaches Who Outperform their Talent
    Whether due to superior Xs and Os, or motivational expertise, or proper placement and pacing of their players ---- whatever, some coaches have a talent for it, and get the utmost from their charges.

    Which is rarely on a par with the famous football factories and their recruiting machines (USC being one prime example, tho hardly the only one).

    Sticking only with those coaches with a long track record with one team - been there at least 8 years - here's my short list:

    MIKE BELLOTTI, OREGON: Doesn't come close to matching Pete Carroll's recruiting machine, but does much more with the availvable talent than Carrolll (who showed his lack of motivational skills by letting the best team in the land coast after easy wins - and then lose to Stanford. At home. With a qb making first start. After almost losing to Washington.

    That was solely Carroll's lack. Trojans were best team in land at season's end, but Pete dropped the ball midseason.

    Bellotti uses his talent well, squeezes ever last drop from the cattle he has to milk.

    ROCKY LONG, NEW MEXICO: Not easy to get good players to come to spend four years in the desert (tho I always liked the romance of the Jewel of the Desert - as a kid from NY driving west first time on old RT 66 I saw it from 35 miles away, shining in the black night sky like a beckoning siren).

    Still, NMexico alum Long, who had a stint as UCLA's DC, steadily improved the Lobo win record. Very slowly, one win more per year. Does a lot with less. And while the conference chanmpioships still usually goes to the one of the Mormon schools, Long usually manages to snag a bowl.

    PAT HILL, FRESNO I recall that Hill once said that in recruiting players he wil settle for lesser talent if he perceives the athlete displays a "never say die" attitude on the field. He wants fierce warriors, and gets them. And so will usually field very competitive teams. Hope they win the WAC this year.

    MIKE LEACH, TEXAS TECH Tough playing in the perennial shadows of Texas and Oklahoma. But the guy and his brilliant offensive mind has been there 8 years, and has 8 bowl appearences to show for it. Mr Xs and Os . . .

    He might have his best Defense also this year. If so, he may finally kick the ass of the two neighborhood bullies.

    TOM AMSTUTS, TOLEDO Toledo Fats knows exactly how to place and pace his talent for max results.

    A large spate of injuries last year doomed their chances in the MAC, but those guys got solid game experience and should be ready to motate this season. I woudn't care to bet against the chances of the Toledo heavyweight.

    I know I left out the good "little" teams from Florida - and for this reason: Sunshine State is such a fertile recruiting ground, with enormous talent sprouting near the palms, and many of those poor black players opting to stay near home, that almost any coach can do well there. But stil a tip of the cap to ol' Howie Schnellenberger, who is again - after decades - doing it again in Florida.
  • ritehook
    SBR MVP
    • 08-12-06
    • 2244

    #2
    Think I should include

    JIM GROBE, WAKE FOREST Wake, 8 years ago, was almost as terrible as Duke. But Grobe wisely and with a patient AD redshirted just about all his recruits, and slowly built his program.

    If you take over a cellar dweller, you have to be innovative, have great x and o skills, be a motivational monster,or the like. If not, you'll just be another also-ran, looking for a job in a few years . . .
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    • intelsource
      SBR Rookie
      • 02-16-08
      • 32

      #3
      Bellotti - Phil Knight's checkbook has bankrolled that program into the national spotlight; talk about the great equalizer. I do agree that Bellotti is above avg as a coach but maybe not as much as you would. (Has a losing Bowl record )

      Long - Marginal. Exactly .500 over his career (61-61). Nothing to get too excited about. (Another poor bowl record, 1-4)

      Hill - As far as I can tell he put the program on the map & deserves enormous credit for taking on the the factories anytime, anywhere. No arguments.

      Leach - My theory is people/fans fall in love with that offense and give him more credit than he deserves. It's fun to watch and folks like to be entertained, nothing wrong with that (also makes it easier to recruit). But I think Spike Dykes had more or less similar success when he was at the helm and the overall improvement (record-wise) is minimal.

      Grobe - remarkable tenure there bringing success to what had been a doormat football program for years. Maybe he should top the list?

      Agree with your comments about the Florida schools. After all if Bobby can win there ...


      Some I'd add:

      Jeff Tedford - vastly improved the Bears since he arrived and Cal is certainly no factory with those entrance req's.

      Gary Patterson - a guy that doesn't get too much mention nationally but consistently puts out a top 20 def every year.
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      • ritehook
        SBR MVP
        • 08-12-06
        • 2244

        #4
        Originally posted by intelsource
        Bellotti - Phil Knight's checkbook has bankrolled that program into the national spotlight; talk about the great equalizer. I do agree that Bellotti is above avg as a coach but maybe not as much as you would. (Has a losing Bowl record )

        Long - Marginal. Exactly .500 over his career (61-61). Nothing to get too excited about. (Another poor bowl record, 1-4)

        Hill - As far as I can tell he put the program on the map & deserves enormous credit for taking on the the factories anytime, anywhere. No arguments.

        Leach - My theory is people/fans fall in love with that offense and give him more credit than he deserves. It's fun to watch and folks like to be entertained, nothing wrong with that (also makes it easier to recruit). But I think Spike Dykes had more or less similar success when he was at the helm and the overall improvement (record-wise) is minimal.

        Grobe - remarkable tenure there bringing success to what had been a doormat football program for years. Maybe he should top the list?

        Agree with your comments about the Florida schools. After all if Bobby can win there ...


        Some I'd add:

        Jeff Tedford - vastly improved the Bears since he arrived and Cal is certainly no factory with those entrance req's.

        Gary Patterson - a guy that doesn't get too much mention nationally but consistently puts out a top 20 def every year.

        Well, Bellotti is 5-6 SU in bowls. Not Paterno type stuff, but not disgraceful. I wasn't in any case considering postseason, a separate subject.

        Don't really know what Phil knight can do re "bankrolling" Oregon into national prominence. That's done on the field, not in a PR office. He may buy a better field or weight room, but rich alumni at all schools often do that.,

        We both know he can't give the top recruits soft jobs with Nike, or the NCAA will be on them like flies on sh1t.

        Long you have to judge by his last four years, as most of the losses came in this first years. He took over from Dennis Franchione, the hustler who posed as a football coach. Dennis knew when to jump ship, just as he did later at 'Bama.

        He did a great job rebuilding a fractured program.

        I always liked Spike Dykes. (Think he's still in the game somewhere - in the WAC maybe?) Tho I think Leach has a bit better record - never out of a bowl in his stint at TT. Tho he one day (like this year) has to overthrow the reign of Sooners and Horns.
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        • ritehook
          SBR MVP
          • 08-12-06
          • 2244

          #5
          Tedfords good, tho Oregon did not collapse (as some thought would happen) when he left the Ducks.

          Cal seems to me to have a habit of weakening in the second half of the season.

          Agree totally re Gary Patterson. He also took over for a departing Dennis.

          Which should mean that what's-his-name, th former Green Bay coach now heading up the show at Texas A&M, should bring the Ags back to glory, if past history holds true.
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