Sheraton Hawaii Bowl - Boise State vs East Carolina

[onlooker]

Honolulu - December 23, 2007, 8 p.m. EST - ESPN

Lets get the discussion going on this bowl game between Boise State and East Carolina.

[Doc JS]

The Pirates are horrible defensively. I just see Boise going up and down the field almost at will.

[Louisvillekid1]

This game is a joke Boise wins big here 42 - 19

[Doc JS]

This game is a joke Boise wins big here 42 - 19

Kid,
I agree. Don't see this one being close unless Boise just loses interest...

[clonecat]

I'll take the 10 1/2 points and hope to see what I thought I would see from Skip Holtz and East Carolina all year. I was very disappointed with the way they played part of the year. I look at how well they played VA Tech to start the season and believe that give them the four weeks to plan and they will play Boise very tough and may be able to scratch out a win.

[regularguy]

I love Boise State in this one. It will likely be my biggest bowl-game play. I have them at -10.5.

Keep in mind that Boise State is accustomed to playing in Hawaii, and that the locals there know them and will very likely be pulling for a WAC win. Boise State will feel at home, and this game will not be close.

[McRich]

I love Boise State in this one. It will likely be my biggest bowl-game play. I have them at -10.5.

Keep in mind that Boise State is accustomed to playing in Hawaii, and that the locals there know them and will very likely be pulling for a WAC win. Boise State will feel at home, and this game will not be close.

I'm with you. I just saw this number today. I will be placing my largest play on this game. I think Boise St. is an excellent team and will win this game by two touchdowns.

[Dominator]

boise state rolls big

[regularguy]

Kid,
I agree. Don't see this one being close unless Boise just loses interest...

Hey Doc. I have been watching Boise State closely for many years, and I can tell you that they do not lose interest. The coaching there is top-notch. Boise State will be focused.

[nevadaside]

This one sticks out to me like a sore thumb:

This may be the biggest bargain of the Bowl Season for sure. Like the previous comments about BSU feeling at home in Hawaii.
I think Petersen's gonna want to bring it....to try & keep the respect they earned last year for BSU & the WAC.

But.....ECU is on my "Black List", I may just have to make an exception for Bowl Season.

[hhsilver]

i agree with most others here. Boise's offense will roll. And a trip to Hawaii --- for Boise - been there, done that --- for ECU - the vacation aspect may be tough to overcome.

[onlooker]

Since the line is Boise State -10.5 at some places, I will lean with them. I have Boise State set at -11. I would lean on the UNDER, as I have the total set at 63, and the total as of now is 68.

Just leans, and no bets for me in this one.

Good luck everyone.

[astro61200]

From my forum

Are you kidding me?

Boise State -10.5 may be the easiest game all season... the Broncos are easily the better team, as their record indicates, they play in the tougher conference and they have played much better than the Pirates of ECU... the "experts" want to make it sound like this is Johnson vs Johnson, RB vs RB... that is not the case... this is Bronco's QB Tharp against a very, very, very suspect secondary (#22 pass offense vs #115 (out of 119 teams) pass defense)

This is solid rush offense against not so solid rush defense (#29 vs #53)

Also less than stellar pass O against pretty good pass D (#75 vs #37)

Or maybe ECU's key to keeping it within 11 is the rush offense, that has to be it... thats waht I hear from the "experts" that ECU's RB is very good... too bad this guy is overrated... sure he ran for 1200 yards in 12 games, averaging 100 yards a game... but if you take out the Memphis game, which he ran for over 1/4 of those yards in (301) then you are left with pretty good running back, but not someone who can carry a team... especially since his OOC yard total was a grand total of 186, good for only 46.5 yards per game... but even if he was great, the Bronco's still have the 26th best rush defense in the country

Boise State also has the 10th best offense, yards per game wise, in the nation... along with the 5th best scoring O in it, and post a margin of +22.8... ECU? They're 72nd in yards per game, 47th in scoring and post a margin of +0.4

Really the only thing the Pirates have working in their favor is the turnover margin (+1.33), tho Boise still has a decent mark at +0.33

Even if the Broncos turn it over one more time than the Pirates, ECU isnt going to be able to move the ball much, maybe score 17 points if that, while they wont be able to stop Tharp and the high powered Boise State offense...

Plus add in the factor that Boise State has been here before, ECU hasnt been in bowl games consistently, and when they did they constantly lost them

You can also use common opponents as a key, Boise State and ECU have one common opponent... Southern Miss, both played the Golden Eagles at home... Boise State won their game against them by 22... dominating them from start to finish, racking up 506 yards of offense, to Southern Miss' 318, and posting 38 points on the outmanned Golden Eagle squad

ECU? They lost their game against USM by 7, they were outgained by 83 yards (383 to 300) and held to just 97 yards on the ground... the Pirates only managed to put up 21 on the Eagles, while giving up 28... all of this while posting a +2 turnover margin (3 USM turnovers to 1 for ECU)

All of the stats point to a Boise State blow out, but for some reason some people like ECU in this... maybe it's because the "experts" are predicting a decently close game... well I am sorry, Boise State even has the home field advantage in that they play in Hawaii every other year or so, and they are sort of close to the island... ECU is on the complete wrong end of the country, never plays in Hawaii and rarely plays in bowl games... there is a very big difference between WAC and C-USA competition, and the only hope for ECU to even stay in this game is to force atleast 4 turnovers... which isnt gonna happen

If this were a regular season game the spread would be around -21 or -24 for Boise State, but since these are two bowl teams, they automatically set the line close and people buy into the whole hype of the bowl atmosphere and that non-sense

The truth of that matter is Boise State is going to move the ball at will against the poor ECU defense, and ECU is going to have problems moving it against an underrated Boise State D... Boise State rolls in this one

Final Score:
Boise State 52, East Carolina 17

[rake922]

From my forum

Whats the link to your forum

[rjt721]

Guess I'm the only one, but I played ECU +11. Also strongly considered putting a little on the ML. I'm not really sure why so many on here love Boise, as this is far from the Boise team of a year ago, and a season removed from playing against OU in a BCS Bowl, the prospects of playing in a pre-Xmas bowl game against ECU provide a natural letdown spot. For all those saying the line is short, 10.5/11 is a huge number for a bowl game on a neutral field - what do you expect? Ian Johnson will get all the recognition, but ECU's Chris Johnson is just as capable of a back. Boise's run defense has seldom been challenged like they will tonight because of the WAC, which is becoming more and more of a passing league. Boise will have its hands full tonight, and I don't envision ECU having any difficulty moving the ball.

[astro61200]

Guess I'm the only one, but I played ECU +11. Also strongly considered putting a little on the ML. I'm not really sure why so many on here love Boise, as this is far from the Boise team of a year ago, and a season removed from playing against OU in a BCS Bowl, the prospects of playing in a pre-Xmas bowl game against ECU provide a natural letdown spot. For all those saying the line is short, 10.5/11 is a huge number for a bowl game on a neutral field - what do you expect? Ian Johnson will get all the recognition, but ECU's Chris Johnson is just as capable of a back. Boise's run defense has seldom been challenged like they will tonight because of the WAC, which is becoming more and more of a passing league. Boise will have its hands full tonight, and I don't envision ECU having any difficulty moving the ball.

Went with Boise for the reasons listed in my write up... Boise State leads ECU in every category outside of turnover margin, and they both were plus in that category... ECU is not good on offense, they are not good on defense, they can force turnovers but thats about it, and BSU wont be turning it over... Johnson's stats are inflated against horrid defenses in C-USA, look at how Memphis got light up by FAU then see how over 1/4 of Johnson's rushing yards came against the Tigers

Boise State's defense is very underrated and if you throw out the 2 bad games they had, against much better offensive squads than ECU, those stats go up even more... Not to mention BSU goes to Hawaii every other year and were just there last game, they wont be bothered by the great weather and beaches on the island, while ECU is coming from across the country, never having been to Hawaii, and might be a little too preoccupied with the great weather, especially since its probably in the 30s or 40s at ECU right now

If this were a regular season game the line would be -21 or -24, but since its a bowl game they are automatically closer, which makes this even easier

But I do have to give it to you, atleast you tried to give some good points, most of the write ups I see give no stats or anything to support ECU

[The Seer]

I'm gonna take the points against an overrated Boise State team.

[hanco21]

Going with the Over....Need a shootout.

Good luck everyone

[Checkerboard]

1* Boise St. Broncos -11

[jtnguyen79]

i put boise st -11 for 10 units


hope everyone is right usually when everyone likes one team doesnt turn out good

[rake922]

wowza

[The Seer]

Originally Posted by Astro
Are you kidding me?

Boise State -10.5 may be the easiest game all season... the Broncos are easily the better team, as their record indicates, they play in the tougher conference and they have played much better than the Pirates of ECU... the "experts" want to make it sound like this is Johnson vs Johnson, RB vs RB... that is not the case... this is Bronco's QB Tharp against a very, very, very suspect secondary (#22 pass offense vs #115 (out of 119 teams) pass defense)

This is solid rush offense against not so solid rush defense (#29 vs #53)

Also less than stellar pass O against pretty good pass D (#75 vs #37)

Or maybe ECU's key to keeping it within 11 is the rush offense, that has to be it... thats waht I hear from the "experts" that ECU's RB is very good... too bad this guy is overrated... sure he ran for 1200 yards in 12 games, averaging 100 yards a game... but if you take out the Memphis game, which he ran for over 1/4 of those yards in (301) then you are left with pretty good running back, but not someone who can carry a team... especially since his OOC yard total was a grand total of 186, good for only 46.5 yards per game... but even if he was great, the Bronco's still have the 26th best rush defense in the country

Boise State also has the 10th best offense, yards per game wise, in the nation... along with the 5th best scoring O in it, and post a margin of +22.8... ECU? They're 72nd in yards per game, 47th in scoring and post a margin of +0.4

Really the only thing the Pirates have working in their favor is the turnover margin (+1.33), tho Boise still has a decent mark at +0.33

Even if the Broncos turn it over one more time than the Pirates, ECU isnt going to be able to move the ball much, maybe score 17 points if that, while they wont be able to stop Tharp and the high powered Boise State offense...

Plus add in the factor that Boise State has been here before, ECU hasnt been in bowl games consistently, and when they did they constantly lost them

You can also use common opponents as a key, Boise State and ECU have one common opponent... Southern Miss, both played the Golden Eagles at home... Boise State won their game against them by 22... dominating them from start to finish, racking up 506 yards of offense, to Southern Miss' 318, and posting 38 points on the outmanned Golden Eagle squad

ECU? They lost their game against USM by 7, they were outgained by 83 yards (383 to 300) and held to just 97 yards on the ground... the Pirates only managed to put up 21 on the Eagles, while giving up 28... all of this while posting a +2 turnover margin (3 USM turnovers to 1 for ECU)

All of the stats point to a Boise State blow out, but for some reason some people like ECU in this... maybe it's because the "experts" are predicting a decently close game... well I am sorry, Boise State even has the home field advantage in that they play in Hawaii every other year or so, and they are sort of close to the island... ECU is on the complete wrong end of the country, never plays in Hawaii and rarely plays in bowl games... there is a very big difference between WAC and C-USA competition, and the only hope for ECU to even stay in this game is to force atleast 4 turnovers... which isnt gonna happen

If this were a regular season game the spread would be around -21 or -24 for Boise State, but since these are two bowl teams, they automatically set the line close and people buy into the whole hype of the bowl atmosphere and that non-sense

The truth of that matter is Boise State is going to move the ball at will against the poor ECU defense, and ECU is going to have problems moving it against an underrated Boise State D... Boise State rolls in this one

Final Score:
Boise State 52, East Carolina 17.

Not kidding. Looks like the 'experts' must have been right about ECU and Johnson.

[The Seer]

I'm gonna take the points against an overrated Boise State team.

I knew I was on the right side even more when I looked at this thread and 99% of everyone was on Boise State's cocks(another public darling).

[Illusion]

I knew I was on the right side even more when I looked at this thread and 99% of everyone was on Boise State's cocks(another public darling).

I heard you the first time.

[hanco21]

what the hell. What are the refs looking at. Clearly a fumble.

[hanco21]

need a TD for the over.

[hanco21]

geez. I can see this game going under with my luck...unbelievable.

[twtb19]

what does the green arrow next to the thread mean?

[nevadaside]

Guess I'm the only one, but I played ECU +11. Also strongly considered putting a little on the ML. I'm not really sure why so many on here love Boise, as this is far from the Boise team of a year ago, and a season removed from playing against OU in a BCS Bowl, the prospects of playing in a pre-Xmas bowl game against ECU provide a natural letdown spot. For all those saying the line is short, 10.5/11 is a huge number for a bowl game on a neutral field - what do you expect? Ian Johnson will get all the recognition, but ECU's Chris Johnson is just as capable of a back. Boise's run defense has seldom been challenged like they will tonight because of the WAC, which is becoming more and more of a passing league. Boise will have its hands full tonight, and I don't envision ECU having any difficulty moving the ball.

EXCELLENCE

Glad I stayed away, after my UC-11.5 play went south, I re-thought laying 11 pts in a Bowl game anymore.

[astro61200]

Good call to those who had ECU

[astro61200]

Not kidding. Looks like the 'experts' must have been right about ECU and Johnson.

Yep he had a good game, did better than I thought he would... cant win em all or it would be too easy

[onlooker]

That was a little unexpected, but good to see a big favorite go down.

Boise State 38
East Carolina 41