One every 6 college games is a rain or snow game!

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  • BetWeather
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 06-30-10
    • 796

    #1
    One every 6 college games is a rain or snow game!
    One in every seven NFL outdoor games played was a rain or snow game!

    Here is the NFL Weather Study...


    According to the study...
    During the last 1473 outdoor games the average PPG was 41.4
    219, or one in every seven was a Rain or Snow games.
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    Because colleges are far more densely packed to the north and east in
    the USA than NFL teams... it is easy to deduce that one in every 6
    or even one in every 5 college games is a rain or snow game!

    In the NFL study....
    The average score for rain games was 37.2 = more than 4 points lower
    than the 41.4 avg for outdoor games.

    The average score for snow games was 37.9 = more than 4 points lower
    than the 41.4 avg for outdoor games.

    But here is really interesting part.... The study included warm weather fields
    where the rain is warm.... ie. Tampa, Mami,AZ,San Diego,OAK, SF0, CAR, SEA.

    Take those out and we are talking 7 point advantage !!!!

    Why... because every knows that wet and freezing cold is totally different
    from being wet and warm!

    Wind

    77 of the 1473 outdoor games had wind greater than 20mph
    (about one per week)
    The weighted average of those game totals is 35.3, more than 6 points lower
    than the 41.4 avg of outdoor games.

    Take out the warm field games listed above... everybody knows
    that cold and windy is Soooo much more nasty than warm and windy games.

    Now your 6pt wind advantage looks more like a solid nine point advantage.

    Now go back and take out teams where both are the running teams...
    Which will up your odds another 2 points. (can't pass in wind and rain)

    Conclusions
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    Remebeir (look it up at covers) that it is a fact that the line before weather games never drops more than 2 or at most 3 points.

    NFL
    Conclusions... bet on games in cool weather towns, where at least one team is a a passing team and you should see 20 NFL games a year > 8 point net totals advantage over any sports book.

    College
    Even better points on College weather games, for many, many reasons...
    (Poor fields compared to NFL, Rookie QBs many of which will never make the pros due to small hand and will have trouble with a wet ball.)

    Should see 60+ College games a year > 10 point net totals advantage over sports books. (who again never drop totals line more than 2pts or 3pts)

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    How to maximize....
    Find out North/South orientation of all stadiums (cross winds best adv.)

    Use the Internet (http://www.wunderground.com/sports) to watch radar, wind, cross wind and rain for every college and NFL Game in real time.

    Then bet heavy 20 mins before game time by watching the storms and rain
    approach the stadium on 5 minute doppler radar !

    What is your opinion ?
  • BigdaddyQH
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-13-09
    • 19530

    #2
    First, the average for what you call a "snow" game is LESS than 4 points over than the average game, not more. Next, in the NFL, they do not have "rain" games in Arizona. Third, your conclusion makes no sense at all. The fact is that the long range forcasts are considered when the total line comes out. As far as games never being adjusted by more than 2 or 3 ppoints, that is simply not true. I saw games adjust by 7-8 points last season.

    You need to do a lot more research before you come up with conclusions like the one you have. You are trying to make generalizations about a sport that has very specific teams playing. You will get nowheres in a hurry wagering with this system. Are you talking about consistant rain, or a passing shower? Are you taling abut a consistant wind, or the occasional gusts? Your formula is nothing more than speculation based on undefined terms for one season. That will not cut it.
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    • SportNut
      SBR MVP
      • 05-16-07
      • 1984

      #3
      Good read...very interesting..
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      • scarp
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 01-12-10
        • 697

        #4
        crazy how they keep track of these stats
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        • Mac4Lyfe
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 01-04-09
          • 48374

          #5
          Who the hell can predict the weather. I bet on a college game last year that my buddy was at. Everyone, him, the weatherman, all said it was going to be a downpour. It was horrible game conditions predicted. I waited until a few minutes before the game started and it was coming down like cat's and dogs. I layed several units on the under as this was too easy. 1st quarter it's coming down hard and neither team could do a thing. 2nd quarter more rain and I'm loving it. I'm praying for more rain.

          Well you probably can guess what happened next. It stopped raining right before halftime, sun came out and both teams started scoring out the ass in the second half. I lost my bet as even the field looked dry at the end of the game
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          • rwsmith
            SBR Sharp
            • 04-13-10
            • 286

            #6
            risky business... i agree with bigdaddy
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            • BetWeather
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 06-30-10
              • 796

              #7
              One Season... 1873 games is not one season !

              Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
              Next, in the NFL, they do not have "rain" games in Arizona.

              Your formula is nothing more than speculation based on undefined terms for one season. That will not cut it.
              Well bigdaddy... I guess your not seeing what I am seeing because AZ,SEA,Tampa, Maimi, OAK and SFO outdoor games WERE considered in the total of
              1473 outdoor games !!
              When you remove these warm field games it's not 219 of 1473 bad weather games were talking about (1 in 7) it's more like 219 out of 1000, or 1 in 5 games !

              Next you mention "1 season based on undefined terms?"
              You mean you think there are 1473 games in one season?

              Then you say that the opening line (week before) already factors in the weather... Come on... sports books and weathermen are clueless
              a week before a a game !!!

              Of course there are many other factors that should go into and over/under bet. Weather can give you a real 3, 4, 8, 10 point advantage, how much advantage do
              you need ?
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              • BetWeather
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 06-30-10
                • 796

                #8
                Were you expecting to win every weather game ?

                Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                I waited until a few minutes before the game started and it was coming down like cat's and dogs. I layed several units on the under as this was too easy. 1st quarter it's coming down hard and neither team could do a thing. 2nd quarter more rain and I'm loving it. I'm praying for more rain.

                Well you probably can guess what happened next. It stopped raining right before halftime, sun came out and both teams started scoring out the ass in the second half. I lost my bet as even the field looked dry at the end of the game
                Thanks Mac4Lyfe.... you made my point exactly when you said "1st quarter it's coming down hard and neither team could do a thing. 2nd quarter more rain and I'm loving it. I'm praying for more rain."

                Now if had been looking at doppler radar closely before the game you would have seen that it was going to blow over by the second half.... and then you would have bet first half totals! (you knew for sure it raining then...)

                But really the weather gave you a huge advantage, huge. Yes, by the 2nd half it
                cleared up and you lost a bet.... but how much real advantage do you usually need ?
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                • TWEETS
                  SBR MVP
                  • 10-22-08
                  • 2114

                  #9
                  Weather=less than 10% of my capping. Rain, snow defenders slip, turnovers, can still go either way. You need stats showing totals and whether they went over or under when the weather was bad. i bet bookmakers are smarter than you think.
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                  • BetWeather
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 06-30-10
                    • 796

                    #10
                    Before you ready the study... you had a feeling.

                    Originally posted by TWEETS
                    Weather=less than 10% of my capping. Rain, snow defenders slip, turnovers, can still go either way. You need stats showing totals and whether they went over or under when the weather was bad. i bet bookmakers are smarter than you think.
                    It easy to understand why you would say that (in the old days).
                    Since all you had to go on was a feeling...

                    Now... that you have had a chance to see real game day weather data for the
                    first time...

                    ...and since the study shows that any weather makes a difference.

                    I am sure your opinion and the amount of weather capping you will do
                    will change greatly !!!
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                    • TWEETS
                      SBR MVP
                      • 10-22-08
                      • 2114

                      #11
                      Showing stats that show that less points are scored is pointless if you aren't comparing it to what the total was set at.
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                      • BetWeather
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 06-30-10
                        • 796

                        #12
                        True that...

                        Originally posted by TWEETS
                        Showing stats that show that less points are scored is pointless if you aren't comparing it to what the total was set at.
                        That is true... so where can ending lines be found for all nfl and college games in the last ten years ?
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                        • TWEETS
                          SBR MVP
                          • 10-22-08
                          • 2114

                          #13
                          SBROdds has an archive, I'm sure Covers has it as they have scoreboard for the past few years.

                          If you're real lucky and ask nice, someone probably has already scraped it into an excel file.
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