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  • BigdaddyQH
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-13-09
    • 19530

    #1
    Rumor Control. Pac 10 to Expand
    According to many rumors flying around the Pac 10, the conference is about to make a legitimate attempt to lure Utah and Colorado into the conference, making them the 4th BCS conference with 12 teams, and forcing the Big 10's hand to follow suit.

    Utah has always been one of the prime targets on the Pac 10's radar. While their stadium is a bit on the smallish side, (45,000+), it is always filled, and could be expanded. BYU was the other team that the Pac 10 wanted, but BYU's refusal to budge on some issues has eliminated them from consideration. That brought Colorado into play.

    Colorado has been talked about by Pac 10 officials for quite some time now. The Denver T.V. market is the 8th largest West of the Mississippi. The Pac 10's current T.V. contract expires in 2011. With eyes on the huge SEC contract, the Pac 10 needs to expand it's market to get a bigger contract. Colorado has a well known program, even though it has been down recently. Colorado has also made it known that they are not shy about a potential move to the Pac 10.

    If Colorado and Utah go to the Pac 10, either BYU or TCU would fill the void in the Big 12. This would force the Big 10 to take Either Pitt or Rutgers from the Big East to expand to 12 teams. This would give the BCS 5 Super Conferences of 12 teams each. The Big East would more than likely lose it's automatic BCS Berth. The math says it all. 5 Super Conferences. 5 BCS Bowl games. That certainly makes sense financially.
  • capri5421
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    • 05-19-09
    • 1474

    #2
    I would love to see TCU in the BIG XII, that would something. I guess they would be in the big12 south, maybe move one of the south team's to the north. But who ?
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    • D. Brackets
      SBR Sharp
      • 02-19-09
      • 340

      #3
      Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
      According to many rumors flying around the Pac 10, the conference is about to make a legitimate attempt to lure Utah and Colorado into the conference, making them the 4th BCS conference with 12 teams, and forcing the Big 10's hand to follow suit.

      Utah has always been one of the prime targets on the Pac 10's radar. While their stadium is a bit on the smallish side, (45,000+), it is always filled, and could be expanded. BYU was the other team that the Pac 10 wanted, but BYU's refusal to budge on some issues has eliminated them from consideration. That brought Colorado into play.

      Colorado has been talked about by Pac 10 officials for quite some time now. The Denver T.V. market is the 8th largest West of the Mississippi. The Pac 10's current T.V. contract expires in 2011. With eyes on the huge SEC contract, the Pac 10 needs to expand it's market to get a bigger contract. Colorado has a well known program, even though it has been down recently. Colorado has also made it known that they are not shy about a potential move to the Pac 10.

      If Colorado and Utah go to the Pac 10, either BYU or TCU would fill the void in the Big 12. This would force the Big 10 to take Either Pitt or Rutgers from the Big East to expand to 12 teams. This would give the BCS 5 Super Conferences of 12 teams each. The Big East would more than likely lose it's automatic BCS Berth. The math says it all. 5 Super Conferences. 5 BCS Bowl games. That certainly makes sense financially.

      This is being talked about more and more.... I think the B10s first choice is ND... but they said no in 1999.. will they say no again? Id take Pit! I hope this happens, I want a north and a south div. in the B10....will P10 do the same thing? North and South Div?
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      • oj-thejuice
        SBR Hustler
        • 01-10-10
        • 94

        #4
        yes!
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        • ws1975
          SBR High Roller
          • 09-24-07
          • 133

          #5
          If Texas goes to the Big Ten, TCU to the Big Twelve should be a no brainer. It would weird to see colorado or Utah in the Pac 10, but it will certainly have some really good football matchups.
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          • daneblazer
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            • 09-14-08
            • 27861

            #6
            Colorado doesn't give a crap about sports teams. They have a cool football stadium though.
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            • wookieehumper
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              • 11-09-09
              • 355

              #7
              no way ND joins the big ten. they make too much money as an independent and with their nbc contract
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              • LVHerbie
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                • 09-15-05
                • 6344

                #8
                Utah would be interested... The Big 12 is already biased enough towards the south and Texas teams so I would hate to see any north teams go...
                Last edited by LVHerbie; 02-12-10, 03:16 PM.
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                • BigdaddyQH
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 07-13-09
                  • 19530

                  #9
                  Utah is basically a lock to join the Pac 10 when they expand. The other two teams in the running are Colorado and BYU. BYU would be the easy choice, but their refusal to play on Sunday's and other admission and scholastic issues make them a long shot at this point. Colorado is now the front runner. The Pac 10 would love to add the greater Denver area to it's T.V. coverage. It is the 8th largest area West of the Mississippi. Your new Divisional Breakdown:

                  North: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah and Colorado/BYU

                  South: Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Cal and Stanford.

                  Each team plays all other teams in it's division, and three from the other division for a total of 8 Conference games. This adds 1 additional non-conference game to the schedule. The Pac 10 with 6 Bowl tie ins, adds two more bowls. Those possibilities include the Hawaii, New Mexico, and Insight Bowls.
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                  • Cookie Monster
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                    • 12-05-08
                    • 2251

                    #10
                    Is Boise State out of the question? They already play in some sports with the Pac-10, and their football program is very good. BYU is the natural pick, but the scheduling is a huge problem. I do not see how Colorado would prefer losing their classic rivalries (Nebraska, Oklahoma) to play in Pac-10 north (Oregons and Wash). The money has to be large, and big XII is no slouch, either.
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                    • BigdaddyQH
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                      • 07-13-09
                      • 19530

                      #11
                      First of all, Colorado is in the Big 12 North, so they do not play OU every year. As far as Nebraska is concerned, they can schedule them and Colorado State every year as non-com games. Remember the Big 12's revenue sharing plan is different from most. Teams get money based on their success in the Big 12, not on an equal basis, as is the case in the Pac 10. The possibility that Colorado would get more money by joining the Pac 10 is huge, based on their recent success. They would not have to do battle with Texas, OU, and Nebraska in football and Kansas in hoops every year to try and get a decent cut of the revenue pie.

                      Boise State has absoluteoy no chance of joining the Pac 10. First, they are too far away and have too small of a stadium. Their athleteic program, except football, is very weak. Their academics is also too weak for Pac 10 consideration. There is no T.V.market for them. Right now they are not even a consideration.
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                      • Cookie Monster
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                        • 12-05-08
                        • 2251

                        #12
                        The problem with big XII losing Colorado (and getting TCU) would be the north - soutd divisions. Who goes north? A Texas team? No way OU? OSU?

                        Oklahoma is logical, to balance somewhat the strength of both divisions, but the big XII scheduling has to change. No way they lose the UT and OSU games every year. So, each north team gets two fixed out of division games, and one rotating game. I see this as the logical outcome. The other possibility is OSU to the north, and havig one tixed out of division game and two rotating ones. But the north division would be even weaker than now.
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                        • BigdaddyQH
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                          • 07-13-09
                          • 19530

                          #13
                          If they divide things up strictly by the map, Oklahoma State goes to the North, as Stillwater is further North than Norman. I do not see how the Big 12 North can be weaker by losing Colorado and gaining Okie State. At worst, it is a push.
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                          • Cookie Monster
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                            • 12-05-08
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                            #14
                            Currently Oklahoma State is stronger than Colorado, yes. But historically Colorado has one national championship, has been in a BCS bowl, has won the North division 4 times, and the Big XII championship once. Even if OSU are now a better theam, in the long run Colorado is a class above.

                            So, if all this happens (Col to P10, TCU to B12S, OSU to B12N), the "always rotating" shedule of Big XII has to end. OU will never lose it anual game vs OSU, and there must be a fixed opponent. Possibly a special case for OSU - OU, or every team gets a pair on the other division.

                            If BYU and Pac 10 were more accomodating, everything would be easier...
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                            • BigdaddyQH
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                              • 07-13-09
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                              #15
                              This is true, but look at the SEC. They do not have a "always rotating" schedule. Alabama always plays Tennessee. Auburn always plays Georgia. Florida always plays LSU. Arkansas always plays South Carolina, etc...The ACC has the same set up, with UNC playing N.C. State, Ga.Tech playing Clemson, etc... In the Big 12, You will have OU playing Okie State, and the 5 Texas schools playing the rest of the North. Would anyone mind seeing Texas-Nebraska every year?

                              The only reason why the Pac 10 is expanding is for T.V. revinues. It does then no good at all to expand into the same market twice, and taking both Utah and BYU would do that. BYU is not going to change it's ways for anyone. Colorado, and the Denver market are now the target. Oddly enough, BYU may be considred by the Big 12, if they do not swallow up TCU, assuming that Colorado jumps to the Pac 10.
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                              • scarp
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 01-12-10
                                • 697

                                #16
                                Im a little worried if a good team leaves the BIG12. If we lose a team like colorado we could always pick up someone like TCU
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                                • Jrod124
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 10-31-09
                                  • 5622

                                  #17
                                  Colorado is a sleeper this season, look out of them
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                                  • BigdaddyQH
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                                    • 07-13-09
                                    • 19530

                                    #18
                                    As long as Colorado keeps Dan Hawkins as their HC,I do not see a lot of hope for them. The reason why he is still there is because theydid not want to pay him off for the last year of his contract. The timing would be perfect for Colorado to join the Pac 10. They would not start their new schedule until 2011, and would probably have a new HC when they did. That is the right way to do things.
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                                    • gesiii
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                                      • 02-06-10
                                      • 88

                                      #19
                                      who cares

                                      the bcs has ruined college football...playoff or bust
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                                      • BigdaddyQH
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                                        • 07-13-09
                                        • 19530

                                        #20
                                        Then I suggest that you find another sport, because there is absolutely no chance of a playoff for at least 5 years. With this potential expansion, it will be next to impossible for a playoff system to come to fruition.
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                                        • afluffyman
                                          SBR Rookie
                                          • 02-16-10
                                          • 3

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by wookieehumper
                                          no way ND joins the big ten. they make too much money as an independent and with their nbc contract
                                          Cosign to the fullest
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                                          • iwantcougars
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 09-29-09
                                            • 2156

                                            #22
                                            where could houston go if the pac10 and big10 expand?
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                                            • Cookie Monster
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                                              • 12-05-08
                                              • 2251

                                              #23
                                              Houston is going nowhere. If Big XII has an open place, it goes to TCU. I do not think MWC or WAC would need Houston. So, C-USA will be its home for a few more years.
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                                              • BigdaddyQH
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                                                • 07-13-09
                                                • 19530

                                                #24
                                                If the Pac 10 takes Colorado and the Big 12 takes Missouri, Houston joins TCU in the Big 12. It is a perfect set up. The 6 Texas schools (UT, A&M, Tech, Baylor, TCU and Houston) in the South, and OU, Okie State, K-State, Kansas, Iowa State and Nebraska in the North. This revives the OU-Nebraska Rivalry while keeping all the other rivalries in tact.
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                                                • capri5421
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                                                  • 05-19-09
                                                  • 1474

                                                  #25
                                                  Nice write-up. Years ago that Oklahoma vs. Nebraska game would be plyed on the friday after thanksgiving. Old school Big 8. Those were the days.
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