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    How many combinations can this have?

    Hi everyone basically I am trying to figure out how to guarantee a parlay to win if I try every combination. Just been thinking. Lets say I do a 14 team parlay how many combinations can it have If I wanted to pick all of them? Lets say I am betting 50 cents each parlay to win at least $1000. How many combinations would the 14 team parlay have? Thanks.

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    You can forget that. You are talking in the hundred of thousands when you talk combinations. Take 14 X 13 X 12 X 11,etc... It is a guaranteed loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigdaddyQH View Post
    You can forget that. You are talking in the hundred of thousands when you talk combinations. Take 14 X 13 X 12 X 11,etc... It is a guaranteed loser.
    What about a 10 team parlay? Would it have over 2000 combinations?

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    2 to the 14 th power . fuhgettaboutit. 10 teamer is 2 to the 10th power.

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    ok haha

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    just do a round robin and see all the combos you can have from that.

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    What is a round robin? I know there's a restraunt in USA called Red Robin?

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    Instead of spending too much money trying to make a parlay with every combination possible I think it would be better to set up a main parlay with a couple variations where you change or reverse a couple of the picks.

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    Good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonata View Post
    what about a 10 team parlay? Would it have over 2000 combinations?
    1024

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCommish View Post
    1024
    Well how do you figure that out? Also if that is true than why not bet 50 cents on each of them? Or would you still lose? If you bet all the handicaps or over/undres etc?

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    Would it be 10! or 10 factorial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonata View Post
    Well how do you figure that out? Also if that is true than why not bet 50 cents on each of them? Or would you still lose? If you bet all the handicaps or over/undres etc?
    # possible outcomes for each game ^ # of games.

    in case of sides only, for 10 games...

    2^10 = 1024

    If you bet them all, you would lose money (and have a fuc king headache from trying to input that many tickets).

    The books aren't stupid. The odds will always be lower than the total possible outcomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonata View Post

    Well how do you figure that out? Also if that is true than why not bet 50 cents on each of them? Or would you still lose? If you bet all the handicaps or over/undres etc?
    10-Team = 2^10 = 1024
    14-Team = 2^14 = 16384

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    1 teamer = 1

    Stick to one teamers. They're easier to hit & give you the closest to true odds that you will ever see.

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    Thanks for the help everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonata View Post
    Well how do you figure that out? Also if that is true than why not bet 50 cents on each of them? Or would you still lose? If you bet all the handicaps or over/undres etc?
    Please tell me Ur under 15, only way you can't understand this besides you gonna make 1024 tickets of .50 each?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BernardMadoff View Post
    Please tell me Ur under 15, only way you can't understand this besides you gonna make 1024 tickets of .50 each?
    Please tell me asking a question about parlays when I don't usually do them or understand how they fully work didn't bother you? You must be over 60 for this to bother you enough to post.

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    Just do a 5 game parlay 3 money line and 2 ats games and back them up n keep the same ml so you'll have 4 parlays going on as long as your ml hit your guaranteed money it's like 1 unit to win 8 ya dig I made a post earlier in the week similar to this

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    As it was mentioned don't rely on parlays to make money and only play them if you don't mine flushing money down the drain. If you must play multiple teams just play some 2-team 6-7pt teasers or if you can get a 3-tm/10pter, as you can get some good plays each week if you know what to look for. Teaser provide some lucrative opportunities and a lot of people make money this way comparatively. Although they don't pay as much you have higher winning odds as long as your book isn't ripping you and you don't make lame picks.

    If you don't understand what they are or how to best use them DON'T just play a bunch of favorites and bank on the fact that those 7pts you just got are going to guarantee you money, because you will lose and once again might as well just flush your money down the toilet.

    Although the way favorites are cashing this season a lot of the people winning money on these big favs would call me an idiot because they're winning. ..this trend won't last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonata View Post
    Hi everyone basically I am trying to figure out how to guarantee a parlay to win if I try every combination. Just been thinking. Lets say I do a 14 team parlay how many combinations can it have If I wanted to pick all of them? Lets say I am betting 50 cents each parlay to win at least $1000. How many combinations would the 14 team parlay have? Thanks.
    you CAN'T guarantee anything EVER. sorry. there never was a magic formula and never will be. parlays are for value and nothing else. i do use moneyline parlays in all sports to bring me a value play, but need a high probability of cashing.

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    For anyone still confused as to whether it is 10! or 2^10 each game has exactly 2 possible outcomes. 10! would be if you had to pick the bets in the correct order, like some lotteries.

    The stats nerd in me insists I disagree it is not possible to make a profit in this way. If you bet all possible ML combinations and hit a large or multiple upsets you could make up for the loss. At that point of course you are splitting hairs because it would be more profittable to simply bet on each dog individually.

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    so what does a 1 dollar 10-teamer of all -110s pay

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    lol. my buddy's 14 year old once asked him if he could sell the house and buy all the combinations in the lottery. They could just buy another house the next day when they won.
    Not trying to jerk your chain but you may want to hold off on gambling until you have a better grasp on the math behind the game. The guy thought you were fifteen b/c you should have already known the parlay combination math thing wasnt a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    so what does a 1 dollar 10-teamer of all -110s pay
    probably 642 or less at bookmaker according to this: (a third party site)

    http://www.parlaycalculator.com/spor...ookmaker.shtml

    this is where it becomes interesting- when you can add a moneyline dog into these. just one and of desired size. this weekend would probably be good for that- there are a lot to choose from in college and pro. you can do some parlays with various different -3 favorites as the inverse side of these dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BernardMadoff View Post
    Please tell me Ur under 15, only way you can't understand this besides you gonna make 1024 tickets of .50 each?
    $1 10 teamer normally pays about $600......so a .50 one is only $300

    do a round robin they are fun.

    You can do a 7 team round robin with every possible combination of 2 team, 3 team, 4 team ....etc comes to 127 bets.

    if you hit at least 5 of the games you make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronzer View Post
    $1 10 teamer normally pays about $600......so a .50 one is only $300 do a round robin they are fun. You can do a 7 team round robin with every possible combination of 2 team, 3 team, 4 team ....etc comes to 127 bets. if you hit at least 5 of the games you make money.
    what is a round robin? Do you or anybody have a real easy explanation to what it is? Thanks

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    as i said its every possible combination of bets. Lets say you want a 3 team round robin (easier to explain).

    Your 3 teams are A B and C.

    so there are 3 one team bets. team A B and C

    there are 3 two team bets. AB, AC, BC

    there is one 3 team bet. ABC

    3 team = 7 total bets
    4 team = 15 total bets
    5 team = 31 total bets
    6 team = 63 total bets
    7 team = 127 total bets

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    Ok thanks. So what does 5dimes call it?

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    Demonata,
    This is very good advice. Take it and you might make money.

    Quote Originally Posted by ManBearPig View Post
    As it was mentioned don't rely on parlays to make money and only play them if you don't mine flushing money down the drain. If you must play multiple teams just play some 2-team 6-7pt teasers or if you can get a 3-tm/10pter, as you can get some good plays each week if you know what to look for. Teaser provide some lucrative opportunities and a lot of people make money this way comparatively. Although they don't pay as much you have higher winning odds as long as your book isn't ripping you and you don't make lame picks. If you don't understand what they are or how to best use them DON'T just play a bunch of favorites and bank on the fact that those 7pts you just got are going to guarantee you money, because you will lose and once again might as well just flush your money down the toilet. Although the way favorites are cashing this season a lot of the people winning money on these big favs would call me an idiot because they're winning. ..this trend won't last.

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    Wow! i was already a member. I just wanted to thank the person making this thread and those who contributed. As you know March Madness is right around the corner. Well, I'll be in Vegas for 2nd and 3rd rounds. I too like the idea of betting 25 to win, 900, 1500, or 3500. Add to this that 1 win pays for everything. In the case of a 7 and 8 leg parlay, there's even a 750 profit. This is even more true when I don't have that much money to bet with. Doing the simple math, I have 64, 128, 264 possible outcomes and enough for 50 $20-$25 parlays, so I can pick nearly 20% of the possible outcomes for 8 teams. Nearly all of the 6 team, and 39% of the 7 teamers.

    To add to this the table below that assures me I will be adding legs that high historically had a high winning percentages I think I have turned a full court shot into one from 1/2 court. Still a low percentage play with a high return, but I'll feel great knowing that I'm not betting on legs that only win 14% of the time. It's 60% and above for me. I won't be betting many money lines as a -10000 will kill the value of the parlay.

    I had to run this by you guys. It's more of a thank you gift. If you would like to comment on my proposal above, you have about 3 weeks to get your comment in before Selection Sunday. I've had my plans and have been researching seed history since June. Here is what I have found.

    First Round

    The #1 seed is 112–0 against the #16 seed (100%).
    The #2 seed is 106–6 against the #15 seed (94.64%).
    The #3 seed is 96–16 against the #14 seed (85.71%).
    The #4 seed is 88–24 against the #13 seed (78.57%).
    The #5 seed is 74–38 against the #12 seed (66.07%).
    The #6 seed is 74–38 against the #11 seed (66.07%).
    The #7 seed is 67–45 against the #10 seed (59.82%).
    The #8 seed is 54–58 against the #9 seed (48.21%).


    #1 average margin +26.4 points. 20-18-2, 52.6% ATS
    #2 average margin +15.8 points. 18-22, 45.0% ATS
    #3 average margin +10.7 points 21-18-1, 53.8% ATS
    #4 average margin +8.3 points, 21-19, 52.5% ATS
    #5 average margin +4.2 points. 19-21 47.5% ATS
    #6 average margin +3.8 points. 20-19-1 51.8% ATS
    #7 average margin +3.1 points. 24-16, 60.0% ATS


    #1 ‘over’ is 21-19, 52.5 percent ave 142.8 points.
    #2 under’ is 26-14, 65.0 percent ave 134.0 points.
    #3 under’ is 25-14-1, 64.1 percent ave 133.7 points.
    #4 'over’ is 24-15-1, 61.5 percent ave 142.5 points.
    #5 over’ is 22-18 55 percent ave 140.6 points.
    #6 ‘under’ is 22-18 55 percent ave 134.8 points.
    #7 under’ is 20-19-1 50.8 percent ave 138.3 points.
    #8 ‘over’, is 24-16, 60.0 percent average total score of 142.4

    Here is my 2nd round target group:

    #2 U(avg) if total >134 65%
    #3 U(avg) if total >133.7 64.1%
    #4 O(avg) if total <142.5 61.5%
    #4(ATS when favorite by less than 9)
    #5 Money Line 67%
    #6 Money Line 67%
    #7 ATS favorites 63.3%
    #8 O(avg) if total <142.(60%)
    #5 over 55% <140.6
    #6 under 55% >134.8

    3rd Round Target Group:

    #1 Over 27-11, 71.1% 150 total Average
    #3 20-15-2 ATS 57.1%
    #5 17-6 stright up 73.4% 13-8-2, 61.9 percent ATS
    #11 Under 11-3, 78.6% total average 137.7
    #12 12-5, 61.5% ATS

    Thanks again for keeping this thread open and for all the comments. As for the RR or If Action, 2 dollar parlay don't pay. If win is doable, but one loss clears me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bentley View Post
    Just do a 5 game parlay 3 money line and 2 ats games and back them up n keep the same ml so you'll have 4 parlays going on as long as your ml hit your guaranteed money it's like 1 unit to win 8 ya dig I made a post earlier in the week similar to this

    I like your thinking, I usually do a 4 lock ( nothing is never a lock ) then I have a 3 game flip. But would like to dig into your suggestion

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