Got the casino madness from 5dimes and these are the stats I came up with.

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  • PharaohUB
    SBR MVP
    • 01-23-07
    • 4865

    #1
    Got the casino madness from 5dimes and these are the stats I came up with.
    Not sure if anyone is interested. But I was bored today, and recorded the outcome of 1145 hands. I knew I'd lose the balance before I rolled it over and figured I'd do an experiment, since everyone says this stuff is rigged. Played basic black jack strategy. Small sample size, but did show a houses edge on top of the normal house edge based on odds aone.

    I won 42.8%
    I lost 49.5%
    Pushed 7.8%

    Not too far from expected value(still edge to house):
    win 43.3%
    loss 47.9%
    push 8.8%

    When I doubled I should have won around 61-62% of the time. I won 55% (21/38). Nothing out of ordinary but still edge to house.

    I did notice chance of winning consecutive hands decreased. The player who won prior hand had a 47% chance of winning the next hand vs 53% (ignoring ties). And that actually stayed very consistent. If you won 2 hands ina row you had a 46.9% of winning the 3rd, and 3 hands in a row 47.6% winning the fourth. Obviously this should be even. I'm taking to account both player and dealer.

    Not sure how this would benefit player or dealer but was statistically significant enough to mention, and hard to write off that the software isn't manipulated in some way.

    The grouping of Blackjacks was something I noticed. Blackjacks were dealt to player or dealer 11.5% of hands. Should have been closer to around 9%. BUT the oddest thing was if a blackjack was dealt in the prior hand the chances of another blackjack in the next hand were almost double to around 17%.

    Here is where it gets interesting. The streaks the dealer went on.

    The dealer had winning streaks of 7(x4),8,9,10,14. to my 6,7.

    so in approx 1,000 hands dealer hand 4 streaks with odds of 1 in a 100, 1 streak 1 in 200, 1 streak 1 in 400, 1 streak 1 in 800 and a streak 1 in 10,000.

    I noticed these streak were the ones where most of my balance was assumed.

    Again nothing overwhelming, but does show that the dealer is getting better cards than what a random deck would give you.

    I taught statistics and there is enough evidence in just 1200 deals here to see that there is a high likelihood of these cards not being randomly dealt.

    It's just my personal opinion that they are slightly tweaked in the houses favor. AND I was also using bonus money, so I would imagine it might be tweaked a little more when you are playing real money.

    My advice is to not play real money in online casinos!
  • chipper
    SBR MVP
    • 01-07-10
    • 1994

    #2
    I definitely find it interesting. Thanks for posting your report and for recording the results of each hand.
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    • TheBettingMan
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 12-13-08
      • 885

      #3
      I know that some online casinos use 2 shoes....one for the dealer, another for the player. The shoe for the dealer has all the cards while the player's shoe is missing as much as 20 ten-value cards and perhaps 4 aces in a 6-deck game. Perhaps that is the cause of the very frequent and long losing streaks here.
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      • orisbumplut
        SBR High Roller
        • 01-22-13
        • 210

        #4
        When they rip off the players by cheating, which they do, it is well and good because one almost has to be begging them to take all the money if you play at those crooked live dealer heists. The thing that bothers me more than anything else is the tip box. It is like saying, thank you for cheating me out of my money.
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        • yisman
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 09-01-08
          • 75682

          #5
          I have played at a bunch of sites and I can assure you that blackjack is rigged. The majority of the time when I double down on 11 or split aces, I get a 1-7 value card.
          [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
          [/quote]

          [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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          • Kaabee
            SBR MVP
            • 01-21-06
            • 2482

            #6
            Originally posted by yisman
            I have played at a bunch of sites and I can assure you that blackjack is rigged. The majority of the time when I double down on 11 or split aces, I get a 1-7 value card.
            majority as in 7/13?
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            • encore_
              SBR Hustler
              • 11-10-11
              • 53

              #7
              thanks for that. i will stay away from it.

              i wish someone would do this for the roulette though, i'm penetrating addicted to that shit
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              • yisman
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 09-01-08
                • 75682

                #8
                Originally posted by Kaabee
                majority as in 7/13?
                a lot more than that.

                I played BJ last night at Heritage. 100 dollar limit. Lost 31k in 90 minutes playing basic strategy

                I couldn't even get 7s doubling down there, and dealer had either 20 or 21 about 60% of the time.
                [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                [/quote]

                [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                • captrobey
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 09-02-10
                  • 34333

                  #9
                  I have veered off of casinos but gave in for just $200 today at Sportbet.com. I think they have one of the worst rigged casinos out there and i believe they are also run by 5Dimes. Here is todays which is basically the same all the other times i went in there. Notice how many 21s they got compared to me. 3-0 in just 6 hands. I am saving for my vacation so i am not putting a lot in but every time in the past i went in here the results are the same as this every single time .

                  12:12:37
                  Player Hand 24 3♦ A♥ Q♣ Q♣ Hit, Hit, Bust
                  Dealer Hand 17 Q♣ 7♥
                  50.00 -50.00
                  12:12:30
                  Player Hand 15 7♦ 8♦ Stand
                  Dealer Hand 21 9♦ 5♣ A♥ 6♠ Hit, Hit, Stand
                  50.00 -50.00
                  12:12:22
                  Player Hand 22 8♦ 4♣ K♣ Hit, Bust
                  Dealer Hand 14 J♦ 4♦
                  50.00 -50.00
                  12:12:15
                  Player Hand 20 J♠ K♦
                  Dealer Hand 21 K♠ A♦ BlackJack
                  50.00 -50.00
                  12:12:08
                  Player Hand 12 5♥ 7♠
                  Dealer Hand 21 A♣ Q♠ BlackJack
                  25.00 -25.00
                  12:11:59
                  Player Hand 17 J♥ 7♠ Stand
                  Dealer Hand 24 9♠ 2♦ 3♣ T♦ Hit, Hit, Bust
                  25.00 25.00
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                  • NunyaBidness
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 07-26-09
                    • 9345

                    #10
                    Originally posted by PharaohUB
                    I did notice chance of winning consecutive hands decreased. The player who won prior hand had a 47% chance of winning the next hand vs 53% (ignoring ties). And that actually stayed very consistent. If you won 2 hands ina row you had a 46.9% of winning the 3rd, and 3 hands in a row 47.6% winning the fourth. Obviously this should be even. I'm taking to account both player and dealer.
                    This is not even remotely true.
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                    • Microphone
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-08-08
                      • 2950

                      #11
                      5 Dimes the closest to being legit from my experience although their blackjack has tightened up.

                      Heritage is just plain brutal and I'm sorry you found that out that way Yis.
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