Seriously Dana? Seriously?

**NickDiaz209** · 06-01-11, 12:36 PM

Before anyone posts Pettis' kick on Henderson...I get it...it was amazing, but why nullify his ability to be amazing with Guida?

It's just like scheduling BJ vs Fitch...no one wants to see the boring outweigh the exciting

**Vaughany** · 06-01-11, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by NickDiaz209

I just looked at the fight card for Saturday night's TUF finale and don't think I've ever seen this many cans in my life. I've seen more used up and crushed cans at the recycling center a few blocks away.

Tim Credeur vs Ed Herman? These TUF cans are still alive? Not to mention the 300 new TUF cans on the fight card.

Another pathetic UFC fight card. At least in the past we would get Thiago Silva, Ken Flo, or some exciting fighter who puts on a show...these fighters are all cans and don't give me that "Clay Guida is exciting" garbage. He's a glorified Beerbohm who does nothing but hug, clinch, and wrestle. Terrible for the sport. This is gonna be a decision can-fest

...man I remember the days when MMA was watchable...now all I do is win money by betting on fights to go to a decision...

Ken Flo was on TUF Nick...surely he's a can as well then?!

**sirchadwick1** · 06-01-11, 01:03 PM

Strikeforce>UFC ?

**Vaughany** · 06-01-11, 01:04 PM

**Vaughany** · 06-01-11, 01:05 PM

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**Vaughany** · 06-01-11, 01:06 PM

**Vaughany** · 06-01-11, 01:11 PM

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**Vaughany** · 06-01-11, 01:11 PM

**Vaughany** · 06-01-11, 01:14 PM

**Vaughany** · 06-01-11, 01:15 PM

**Ladle** · 06-01-11, 01:19 PM

Well, there are bound to be some less than stellar match-ups as almost every fighter on TUF this year was mediocre at best. As for Tim Credeur and Ed Herman: I'm surprised that either of them are still under contract.

But hey, at least the scheduled fights aren't as embarrassing as the ones from UFC 120. I mean, Queiroz/Broughton? Zombie-Fisher/Warburton? We even almost got McSweeney/Blackledge. Those are some real stinkers by UFC standards.

**Chairib** · 06-01-11, 03:39 PM

**The HOFF** · 06-01-11, 04:16 PM

Clay Guida has beated many men.

**Vaughany** · 06-01-11, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by The HOFF

Clay Guida has beated many men.

**NickDiaz209** · 06-01-11, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Ken Flo was on TUF Nick...surely he's a can as well then?!

He used to be a can but then he declared himself a finisher who "finishes fights."

This is me during a Ken-Flo fight

In order to be a TUF can, you gotta be able to eek out a decision while putting the fans to sleep.

So no, he's not a can...you lose...I win

**FightFightFight** · 06-01-11, 08:34 PM

Im gonna have to side with Nick here. Y'know, because of the happy faces n stuff.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 06-01-11, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by NickDiaz209

I just looked at the fight card for Saturday night's TUF finale and don't think I've ever seen this many cans in my life. I've seen more used up and crushed cans at the recycling center a few blocks away.

Tim Credeur vs Ed Herman? These TUF cans are still alive? Not to mention the 300 new TUF cans on the fight card.

Another pathetic UFC fight card. At least in the past we would get Thiago Silva, Ken Flo, or some exciting fighter who puts on a show...these fighters are all cans and don't give me that "Clay Guida is exciting" garbage. He's a glorified Beerbohm who does nothing but hug, clinch, and wrestle. Terrible for the sport. This is gonna be a decision can-fest

...man I remember the days when MMA was watchable...now all I do is win money by betting on fights to go to a decision...

lol. you can rate the UFC events 5 grades
1 number UFC event on PPV
2 number UFC event shown for free
3 UFC on Versus
4 UFC Fight Night
5 Ultimate Fight Finale

and you choose to complain about a fight (Tim Credeur vs Ed Herman) on the lowest grade of UFC show, that most likely won't even be on the televised part

i guess your someone who needs to complain about something

**terpkeg** · 06-01-11, 09:11 PM

All of Tim Credeur's UFC fights have been highly entertaining and he should be 4-0 in the UFC. Guy isnt afraid to bang and is always hunting for finishes. Get real here.

**Ladle** · 06-01-11, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by terpkeg

All of Tim Credeur's UFC fights have been highly entertaining and he should be 4-0 in the UFC. Guy isnt afraid to bang and is always hunting for finishes. Get real here.

Eh? He lost the second and third round to Nate Quarry. I even had Quarry winning the final round 10-8 as he dropped Credeur twice.

He's pretty skilled on the ground but his stand-up is very sloppy. His only notable win is a mid-tier 185'er in Nick Catone.

**v1y** · 06-01-11, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

lol. you can rate the UFC events 5 grades
1 number UFC event on PPV
2 number UFC event shown for free
3 UFC on Versus
4 UFC Fight Night
5 Ultimate Fight Finale

and you choose to complain about a fight (Tim Credeur vs Ed Herman) on the lowest grade of UFC show, that most likely won't even be on the televised part

i guess your someone who needs to complain about something

This is half false and half stupid.

1: Credeur/Herman is on the main card

2: There are different grades for the main card, but not the prelims. Further, the main event (when there is one) is almost always a big fight (with the exception of Tanner/Grove). Franklin/Shamrock, Diaz/Sanchez, Guida/Huerta, Guida/Sanchez, and Jon Jones/Hamill were all big fights.

**jin2daj** · 06-01-11, 10:01 PM

pettis guida is pretty big dude.

**terpkeg** · 06-01-11, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by Ladle

Eh? He lost the second and third round to Nate Quarry. I even had Quarry winning the final round 10-8 as he dropped Credeur twice.

He's pretty skilled on the ground but his stand-up is very sloppy. His only notable win is a mid-tier 185'er in Nick Catone.

Loughran was a decent prospect. I only watched the Quarry fight live, i guess my memory failed me. But, I think this fight will be fun to watch. Both guys coming off injuries though.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 06-01-11, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by v1y

This is half false and half stupid.

1: Credeur/Herman is on the main card

2: There are different grades for the main card, but not the prelims. Further, the main event (when there is one) is almost always a big fight (with the exception of Tanner/Grove). Franklin/Shamrock, Diaz/Sanchez, Guida/Huerta, Guida/Sanchez, and Jon Jones/Hamill were all big fights.

This is completely retarded

1. I posted Credeur/Herman PROBABLY won't be shown on the televised part before the end of the TUF show where they announced it would, great detective work.

2 Why are you listing me main event fights? did I ever say TUF finale never has a good main event? All i said was that overall TUF finale cards are lower grades than other UFC events, is that really in dispute

**v1y** · 06-01-11, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

This is completely retarded

1. I posted Credeur/Herman PROBABLY won't be shown on the televised part before the end of the TUF show where they announced it would, great detective work.

2 Why are you listing me main event fights? did I ever say TUF finale never has a good main event? All i said was that overall TUF finale cards are lower grades than other UFC events, is that really in dispute

It was clearly on the UFC website beforehand. You're mad.

Yes, it is in dispute. Rick Story fought Johny Hendricks on the last TUF finale main card. That was a HUGE contender eliminator, and was worthy of a PPV main card slot.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 06-01-11, 11:20 PM

my god you're dumb. Overall card, there will be several other fighters from the cast fighting on the card who you will never see after. You're cherry picking Story/Hendricks and calling ti a HUGE eliminator

**GunShard** · 06-01-11, 11:32 PM

At least it's free.

**v1y** · 06-01-11, 11:35 PM

you don't think that was a huge eliminator? Story was on a 4 fight win streak in the UFC, and hendricks was on a 4 fight ufc win streak. You're mad if you don't think that's a huge eliminator in the ufc.

yea i'm just cherry picking fights...
10: hamill/jardine
9: diaz/stevenson
7: sanchez/fioravanti (sanchez is a huge draw no matter how you look at it)
5: huerta and leites get buildup fights

and then god forbid we have to sit through fights between members of the cast who you will never see after, like gray maynard and george sotiropoulos.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 06-02-11, 12:29 AM

1. no its was not an eliminator, it may seem more important now because Story has gone on to beat Alves, but we can't see into the future.

2 Stop listing fights, for the 3rd time i've never said they don't put on goods fights just that the overall card is weaker

3. Of course some fighters have a chance of making themselves into a noteable fighter but for every Maynard there many more you don't acre about.

are you telling me that 8 fighters from the cast that will be fighting on the finale make the card stronger? I base a cards strenght on what i know of the fighters based on past fights. Not on guys who are making UFC debut after a reality show

Anthony Ferguson vs. Ramsey Nijem
Chris Cope vs. Chuck O'Neil
Justin Edwards vs. Clay Harvison
Shamar Bailey vs. Ryan McGillivray

**bogbat** · 06-02-11, 03:02 AM

Just be happy the card is free. Personally I'm very excited about the main event and seeing Kyle Kingsbury, this guy is a beast and he is supplemented to the gills under the direction of the infamous Victor Conte.

**RaiderNation MMA** · 06-02-11, 03:41 AM

i hope my buddy george roop wins!

**Ladle** · 06-02-11, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by terpkeg

Loughran was a decent prospect. I only watched the Quarry fight live, i guess my memory failed me. But, I think this fight will be fun to watch. Both guys coming off injuries though.

Loughran isn't a UFC caliber fighter though. Most of his wins are over scrubs.

I do think the fight has potential to be enjoyable. Just don't necessarily think it's something which belongs on a UFC card (a main card, no less).

Yes, it is in dispute. Rick Story fought Johny Hendricks on the last TUF finale main card. That was a HUGE contender eliminator, and was worthy of a PPV main card slot.

That card was co-headlined by a fight which featured Igor Pokrajac. That salient fact alone proves that TUF finale main cards are a step below other UFC main cards.

**Fiasco01** · 06-02-11, 08:29 AM

Why is this even a post? It's free. How could you POSSIBLY have a qualm with that? If you don't like it wait a week and purchase the next card...or don't and keep complaining. But complaining over a free card is ridiculously childish.

**Ladle** · 06-02-11, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Fiasco01

Why is this even a post? It's free. How could you POSSIBLY have a qualm with that? If you don't like it wait a week and purchase the next card...or don't and keep complaining. But complaining over a free card is ridiculously childish.

**rocky502** · 06-02-11, 09:14 AM

I think you just have to look at the TUF finale cards as a last chance for the eliminated castmembers from the show to impress Dana White. Kind of a live tryout. If they are impressive, maybe they can get on some future UFC cards and work their way up. If they are not, they go back to fighting the local circuit or quit. I saw most of the episodes from this season, and I thought this was one of the worst seasons in memory talent-wise. The two guys in the finale are decently talented but I don't see any of the others making it big unless they get in with a serious camp and improve a lot. What the hell it's a freebie and I will watch if I am home, if I miss it, oh well.