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    UFC 77: Hostile Territory (Sat Oct 20th On PPV)

    UFC 77: Hostile Territory (Sat Oct 20th On PPV) @ 9pm (central time zone)


    UFC WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP

    Anderson Silva vs. Rich Franklin

    MAIN CARD

    Tim Sylvia vs. Brandon Vera
    Yushin Okami vs. Jason MacDonald
    Josh Burkman vs. Forrest Petz
    Alan Belcher vs. Kalib Starnes

    NON-TELEVISED PRELIMINARY FIGHTS

    Jason Black vs. Matt Grice
    Jorge Gurgel vs. Alvin Robinson
    Eric Schafer vs. Stephan Bonnar
    Demian Maia vs. TBA

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    the main 3 fights should be intriguing but i dont care about the rest. I like sylvia in this one. I think hes at +140 now.

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    Pretty average card, Franklin gets the rematch in his hometown, but I think he loses again to Silva.

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    Franlklin is at +155 by my bookie. Last time Franklin make tatical mistakes. He probably has fixed them by now.

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    Don't forget fellas...This Saturday is this event and I for one can't wait.

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    Im going with Silva. Rich got raped in that last fight (lol). I think Silva is just too much for him. I think Rich will have a chance if he can get it on the ground, but even then Silva has good submissions and long ass legs to tie you up with. Should be alot better then the first fight though.

    Im on the fence with Syliva vs Vera. About a year ago I would probably have easily picked Vera, but Vera has not fought in a year so he is probably rusty. That fight could go either way as both fighters could knock the other one out in 1 single punch. I say if Sylvia uses his jab and kicks to keep Vera at a distance and takes smart shots he will win a boring fight.

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    Silvia did have back surgery recently.. and big guys like him tend not to recover so well from that. That being said I'm all over Silvia as an underdog. I expected the line to be even.

    Okami is a solid bet IMO. Okami is probably better in all areas than MacDonald. The only threat MacDonald poses is the possibility subbing Okami. But I think Okami's too strong to get bullied into a sub and too experienced to get caught in a sub.

    I'll be staying away from Franklin/Silva... I don't think Franklin's been doing what he needs to do training wise to overcome a great MT/BJJ fighter like Silva. (His camp seems to be a bunch of brawlers/wrestlers... like himself).


    Anyway mainly pumped for Vera/Sylvia... I have no idea how that's gonig to go.
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    i have kalib starnes over alan belcher..

    kalib is a beast on the ground > than belcher imo.
    kalib is also training with ATT and we are bound to see vast improvements in his already decent stand up.

    i have also heard that belcher may have sustained a minor leg injury during training. it will not affect his ability to fight, but may have stunted his training camp a little. in interviews ive seen, belcher doesn't seem too focused on his opp.. he's young and may be underestimating kalib.

    at around -120, i think he's a solid fav with good value.

    okami over MacD.. but at -200 plus, he may be a bit steep..

    i also got sylvia at +171.. still amazed by the hype surrounding vera.. its going to be hilarious when he's chin checked by a beltless and hungery maine-iac.

    good luck!

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    i'm taking Silva and Sylvia, and leaning with Bonnar and Black.

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    I don't understand the Tim Sylvia picks. He is big... ok huge, but I just don't see any skill/talent beyond his physical size.

    If Vera isn't rusty, I see him running circles around the guy and winning an easy decision.

    What am I missing or not seeing in Sylvia?

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    As much as I want to lay the big wood with Sylvia in this fight, I just can't lay -220.


    Heres the odds on the entire UFC tomorrow night:

    Code:
    10/20/2007 9:00 PM  	Rich Franklin vs Anderson Silva
    381 	Rich Franklin    	 +180 	 
    382 	Anderson Silva    	 -220 	 
    10/20/2007 8:30 PM 	Tim Sylvia vs Brandon Vera
    383 	Tim Sylvia    	 +140 	 
    384 	Brandon Vera    	 -165 	 
    10/20/2007 7:30 PM 	Stephan Bonnar vs Eric Schafer
    385 	Stephan Bonnar    	 -345 	 
    386 	Eric Schafer    	 +285 	 
    10/20/2007 6:30 PM 	Yushin Okami vs Jason MacDonald
    387 	Yushin Okami    	 -240 	 
    388 	Jason MacDonald    	 +200 	 
    10/20/2007 5:00 PM 	Jason Black vs Matt Grice
    389 	Jason Black    	 -340 	 
    390 	Matt Grice    	 +280 	 
    10/20/2007 8:00 PM 	Jorge Gurgel vs Alvin Robinson
    391 	Jorge Gurgel    	 -155 	 
    392 	Alvin Robinson    	 +130 	 
    10/20/2007 7:00 PM 	Alan Belcher vs Kalib Starnes
    393 	Alan Belcher    	 +100 	 
    394 	Kalib Starnes    	 -125 	 
    10/20/2007 6:00 PM 	Ryan Jensen vs Demian Maia
    395 	Ryan Jensen    	 +160 	 
    396 	Demian Maia    	 -200 	 
    10/20/2007 5:30 PM 	Josh Burkman vs Forrest Petz
    397 	Josh Burkman    	 -290 	 
    398 	Forrest Petz    	 +240

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanjinfo View Post
    i have kalib starnes over alan belcher..

    kalib is a beast on the ground > than belcher imo.
    kalib is also training with ATT and we are bound to see vast improvements in his already decent stand up.

    i have also heard that belcher may have sustained a minor leg injury during training. it will not affect his ability to fight, but may have stunted his training camp a little. in interviews ive seen, belcher doesn't seem too focused on his opp.. he's young and may be underestimating kalib.

    at around -120, i think he's a solid fav with good value.

    okami over MacD.. but at -200 plus, he may be a bit steep..

    i also got sylvia at +171.. still amazed by the hype surrounding vera.. its going to be hilarious when he's chin checked by a beltless and hungery maine-iac.

    good luck!

    i would have to go with starnes too

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasis0066 View Post
    I don't understand the Tim Sylvia picks. He is big... ok huge, but I just don't see any skill/talent beyond his physical size.

    If Vera isn't rusty, I see him running circles around the guy and winning an easy decision.

    What am I missing or not seeing in Sylvia?
    Vera is faster and more accurate plus he has better kicks

    vera is probably a little better on the ground but Tim is decent there for a big guy

    i think the line is the way it is because Tim can end it at any time with one big right hand

    plus he has a lot of experience and can go the distance if need be

    i like vera but the line is very understandable imo

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    Sylvia will knock Vera out or they will just dance in circles until Sylvia wins a decision.

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    franklin got destroyed again

    can't say i'm surprised...you could see the doubt creep back into his eyes the first time anderson went for the clinch....even though franklin got out of it that 1st time, the doubt was clearly evident on his face

    rich's looping punches and weak clinch is just tailored made for anderson

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    Franklin doesn't look like the same fighter he was 2 years ago. Maybe Silva just arranged that for him.

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