Kimbo Slice -120?

**doubleleg** · 05-03-10, 08:52 PM

I think this fight is a toss-up. Kimbo has limited skills but Matt is a quitter.

**Eccocide** · 05-03-10, 09:12 PM

I have the over 1.5 rounds in this one just because I think the power of both guys is overrated. You can actually get Kimbo at -105 if you line shop. Line has plummeted from -200 to -120 on Bodog - I think mostly due to the fact that Matt is a a much bigger heavyweight and I think its assumed he has the better chin based of Kimbo getting KO-jabbed by Seth and Mitrione taking mad shots from Junk on TUF. Kimbo showed he can be patient in his last fight and I don't think Mitrione is going to commit to a slugfest early so thats why I like the over. Not touching a side.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 05-03-10, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by killawookie

How is this not a STEAL? Yes, anyone can get lucky in a heavyweight bout and get a sneeky knockout, but I've been watching Kimbo's opponent and see very little knockout ability. This chump better have more than just standup to go against even a one-sided Kimbo.

For those pro cappers out there the question stands... how is -120 not a fricken steal, lock, guarantee , whatever?

I think the value is with Mitrione; well particularly if you got him at his open of +160... I'm hardly a fan of Meathead, but I recall his guard being decent, well by TUF standards anyway. I do have some brushing up to do in prep for capping this, but off the cuff I'd rate their striking about equal, so it's a 50/50 either KO'ing the other, and on the ground I give the advantage to Mitrione. So that's why Mitrione at +160 had some value imho. And I still kinda like him at -105 as it stands now. I know Kimbo's been working on his ground game, but I gotta go by what I've seen up to this point.

**clarkd32** · 05-03-10, 10:20 PM

is kimbo training with ATT???

**Educ8d Degener8** · 05-03-10, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by clarkd32

is kimbo training with ATT???

Yeah, down in Florida. On the Countdown show they mentioned he's training/trained with the Thiagos (Alves and Silva). Not sure if that'll help his ground game any though -- maybe Alves could give him tips on TDD though to keep it standing??? If I were Kimbo, I woulda been rolling with Jeff Monson...

**Tunaman** · 05-03-10, 10:31 PM

IMO, This fight can go either way. I would give a sight edge to Matt because he can take a beating vs. Kimbo's glass chin. I would give Matt the edge on the ground but I'm sure Kimbo improved his ground game since that was his weakness. Kimbo seems to have more heart. I guess we have to wait and see.

**Shane** · 05-03-10, 10:46 PM

I like Matt here. Two big dudes with limited skills, you got to take the one with the better chin.

**Preston09** · 05-03-10, 11:04 PM

Not to sure about Kimbo? Depends on his recent training.

**Varker** · 05-03-10, 11:29 PM

Matt might be heavier, but isn't kimbo the stronger guy here. I mean Mitrione's weight is mostly gut.

**RobbReport** · 05-04-10, 12:23 AM

both have heavy hands I think Mitrione goes for the KO and if it fails him early he'll go for takedowns and gnp.

**JC2008** · 05-04-10, 12:30 AM

I think the UFC is putting Kimbo in with guys they think he can beat. He's still popular and can generate money. I think he wins here, probably by decision.

**Shane** · 05-04-10, 12:40 AM

Elite XC put him in with guys they thought he could beat, too. Just sayin'

**talnted** · 05-04-10, 01:10 AM

I agree so many people want to see kimbo win, this sport would definitely get bigger with him as there face. Everyone loves kimbo slice!

**knownone** · 05-04-10, 02:38 AM

why are these 2 in the UFC...

**cky312** · 05-04-10, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by knownone

why are these 2 in the UFC...

theres always been a lack of depth in the talent pool of the heaviest weight classes in combat sports, yet that is the division that easily garners the most interest from the casual public.

**Vaughany** · 05-04-10, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by killawookie

How is this not a STEAL? Yes, anyone can get lucky in a heavyweight bout and get a sneeky knockout, but I've been watching Kimbo's opponent and see very little knockout ability. This chump better have more than just standup to go against even a one-sided Kimbo.

For those pro cappers out there the question stands... how is -120 not a fricken steal, lock, guarantee , whatever?

You've been watchin Kimbo's opponent? He TKOd Marcus Jones who is a better fighter thn Kimbo! Kimbo got TKod by a jab! U clearly have limited knowledge! Mitrione at Evens or better is the steal in this matchup. He trains his jiu-jitsu with Schafer, Standup with Duke Roufus and spars with Pat Barry. He is going to destroy Kimbo....dont be surprised to see him leg kick the shit out of kimbo like Houston attempted to do.

**Mr.Kitty** · 05-04-10, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

You've been watchin Kimbo's opponent? He TKOd Marcus Jones who is a better fighter thn Kimbo! Kimbo got TKod by a jab! U clearly have limited knowledge! Mitrione at Evens or better is the steal in this matchup. He trains his jiu-jitsu with Schafer, Standup with Duke Roufus and spars with Pat Barry. He is going to destroy Kimbo....dont be surprised to see him leg kick the shit out of kimbo like Houston attempted to do.

YES

, Mitrione is the right play here imo.

**1UP** · 05-04-10, 11:47 AM

Anyone can be knocked out if the punch is placed in the right spot. It doesn't matter if it's a jab or uppercut. If you can't see a punch coming, or the punch is fast enough, it can be even worse.

**killawookie** · 05-04-10, 01:58 PM

Kimbo was a blank slate just like Brock Lesnar was when he first started. Both Brock an Kimbo are both physical beasts that just needs to be tamed and taught a thing or two and get some experience in the cage. I think Kimbo knocks this guy out 2nd round..

**Educ8d Degener8** · 05-04-10, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by killawookie

Kimbo was a blank slate just like Brock Lesnar was when he first started. Both Brock an Kimbo are both physical beasts that just needs to be tamed and taught a thing or two and get some experience in the cage. I think Kimbo knocks this guy out 2nd round..

Granted they were both D1 athletes, buuuuuuuuut Brock was THE elite athlete in his sport (wrestling) that also lends itself as arguably the best working base for one transitioning to mma. And Kimbo has arthritis. I like him and hope he does well 'cos he seems like a cool dude, but comparing him to Lesnar is a bit of a stretch imho.

**Vaughany** · 05-04-10, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Granted they were both D1 athletes, buuuuuuuuut Brock was THE elite athlete in his sport (wrestling) that also lends itself as arguably the best working base for one transitioning to mma. And Kimbo has arthritis. I like him and hope he does well 'cos he seems like a cool dude, but comparing him to Lesnar is a bit of a stretch imho.

Ha U cant compare D1 Wrestling to D1 Football! Plus Mitrione was a NFL player so if anything Mitrione is an even better athlete thn both Lesnar and Kimbo if ur working it out like tht!

**Educ8d Degener8** · 05-04-10, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Ha U cant compare D1 Wrestling to D1 Football! Plus Mitrione was a NFL player so if anything Mitrione is an even better athlete thn both Lesnar and Kimbo if ur working it out like tht!

That was my point.

The only similarity is that, technically, they were both D1 athletes. Aside from that, Brock >>>>>>>> Kimbo.

**36mafia** · 05-04-10, 04:11 PM

i like mitrione here

**Straight Cash** · 05-04-10, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by doubleleg

I think this fight is a toss-up. Kimbo has limited skills but Matt is a quitter.

I completely agree with this...

**vassman86** · 05-04-10, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by doubleleg

I think this fight is a toss-up. Kimbo has limited skills but Matt is a quitter.

That says it all. I agree that Kimbo is improving, but this is far from a lock.

**Kaladarus** · 05-04-10, 06:55 PM

Kimbo Slice is getting better everyday "you know what I'm saying".

**smarmy** · 05-04-10, 11:28 PM

last I saw they were both -115. flip a coin and hope you get lucky. staying away from this fight.

**bogbat** · 05-04-10, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

You've been watchin Kimbo's opponent? He TKOd Marcus Jones who is a better fighter thn Kimbo! Kimbo got TKod by a jab! U clearly have limited knowledge! Mitrione at Evens or better is the steal in this matchup. He trains his jiu-jitsu with Schafer, Standup with Duke Roufus and spars with Pat Barry. He is going to destroy Kimbo....dont be surprised to see him leg kick the shit out of kimbo like Houston attempted to do.

I dunno about that, Marcus Jones has decent BJJ but he has TERRIBLE stand up. Kimbo could KO him too if he could keep it standing for a while.

That said I'm staying away sides, but if you put a gun to my head I would have to pick Mitrione if I had to make a choice, as Shane said he has the better chin.

**Gee** · 05-04-10, 11:58 PM

No idea what happens when these two clowns fight.

i'm staying away. they are both terrible.

like a few others - if push came to shove, i'll take mitrione and he's a steal at the odds.

**RobbReport** · 05-05-10, 06:59 AM

kimbo might **** around and go for takedowns all day.

**ddream1** · 05-05-10, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

You've been watchin Kimbo's opponent? He TKOd Marcus Jones who is a better fighter thn Kimbo! Kimbo got TKod by a jab! U clearly have limited knowledge! Mitrione at Evens or better is the steal in this matchup. He trains his jiu-jitsu with Schafer, Standup with Duke Roufus and spars with Pat Barry. He is going to destroy Kimbo....dont be surprised to see him leg kick the shit out of kimbo like Houston attempted to do.

thats the key, matt has crisp striking, he uses his reach and fights punching away like liddell does at times, combine the reach, straight techincal strikes and then hard leg kicks i cannot see kimbo closing in.

the one thing that bothered me in the houston fight was kimbo did very little to nothing on cutting angles. he just circled and circled, matt does appear to be soft and will welcome circling throwing variety and power.

kimbo needs to blast straight in, cut angles and throw bombs hoping to fish matt into a flat footed affair where kimbo will win. i see matt just kicking the shit out of kimbo' legs. kimbo is flat footed when he strikes. this fight is interesting but i see value in matt

**THEGREAT30** · 05-05-10, 02:58 PM

Kimbo is a sideshow, good day

**Educ8d Degener8** · 05-05-10, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by ddream1

thats the key, matt has crisp striking, he uses his reach and fights punching away like liddell does at times, combine the reach, straight techincal strikes and then hard leg kicks i cannot see kimbo closing in.

the one thing that bothered me in the houston fight was kimbo did very little to nothing on cutting angles. he just circled and circled, matt does appear to be soft and will welcome circling throwing variety and power.

kimbo needs to blast straight in, cut angles and throw bombs hoping to fish matt into a flat footed affair where kimbo will win. i see matt just kicking the shit out of kimbo' legs. kimbo is flat footed when he strikes. this fight is interesting but i see value in matt

After watching some older Mitrione footage yesterday, this was one of the first things that came to my mind. Value in the Meathead line -- it's skewed due to public perception / notoriety with Kimbo. Joe Public thinks Kimbo is an mma contender

In the absolute sense, yes, both of these guys are not high caliber. But in the relative scenario of one versus the other, I cannot see how the line does not reflect value with Mitrione.

**Straight Cash** · 05-05-10, 05:34 PM

Kimbo has never beaten anyone resembling an MMA fighter. Houston is NOT an MMA fighter, he's a striker posing as a MMA fighter, no ground game.