UFC on ESPN 2: Barboza vs. Gaethje (March 30, 2019)

[turbozed]

Maybe he faded himself in Vegas.. Rounded up every family member and friend and gave them each a stack of cash and told them to fade him days leading up. Never know? Looked like Eddie was getting tagged though. Didn't look like he took a dive to me.

All of you guys thinking there's any remote chance of a fix here are out of your damn minds.
I don't even think Vegas had a line for One Championship fights. Only maybe 3 or 4 books had any One Championship lines at all and the liquidity there is tiny. There was a move of about 200 pts from +500 to +300 or so, but any of us could've moved that line with a couple thousand dollars.

Eddie isn't the type of guy to fix a fight. If he had a brain tumor and decided to, he CERTAINLY wouldn't choose a One Championship undercard fight to do so where he can get like $1000 down at +500 at 5Dimes. He'd do it in a UFC fight where he can bet hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. Makes zero sense to do it now.

As far One paying him to take a dive, why would One approach one of the most respected guys in MMA, risk having Alvarez reject their offer and spill the beans, and jeopardize the legitimacy of their whole promotion? They can secure hundreds of millions of funding from Sequoia Investments but they want to potentially throw everything away to get Nastyukhin a win over Eddie Alvarez? In no world does that make any sense.

Eddie lost because he's been fighting for like 15 years and is an older fighter facing a young Tiger Muay Thai guy that hits hard. We've seen this shit happen in MMA all the time. Eddie was a -350 favorite and the underdog cash. There is no story here.

[Sanity Check]

The lighting @ One FC is on the dim side. Is it an accident or did they deliberately use a dim lighting system hoping it would increase the number of knockouts, due to fighters having a harder time seeing punches/kicks coming?

Awhile ago, Dustin Poirier said Eddie Alvarez "wasn't right" after their 2nd meeting.

The way Eddie Alvarez dropped after DP hit him with that last elbow before it was stopped could indicate head trauma or a brain injury. I'm no expert, Alvarez could be having concussion issues, which is why that relative unknown was able to finish him more easily than he otherwise would have if Alvarez were in his prime.

[TPowell]

Borg won-flat out...so did GM3.....Holland won maybe 15 seconds of round 2 and just bc GM3 was a gassed POS-it does not mean Holland won---Holland was getting taken down by a penetrating sloth....Hollan fought dumb as hell and easily lost rounds 2-3.....what a penetrating joke those judges were....he basically said it----I want a fighter!!! bc a low level grappler WAS ENOUGH......that shit ****** my night up....30-27 Holland W in the holy F was he watching.....

You just can't let a guy get in dominant position for the last 15 seconds and wail away at you though in boring rounds. They are both awful. Holland's ground game isn't had and even his wrestling is better than whatever he calls that pea in his head. Gm3 doesn't go late in fights because he's a quitter/gasser

[UncleChael]

All of you guys thinking there's any remote chance of a fix here are out of your damn minds.
I don't even think Vegas had a line for One Championship fights. Only maybe 3 or 4 books had any One Championship lines at all and the liquidity there is tiny. There was a move of about 200 pts from +500 to +300 or so, but any of us could've moved that line with a couple thousand dollars.

Eddie isn't the type of guy to fix a fight. If he had a brain tumor and decided to, he CERTAINLY wouldn't choose a One Championship undercard fight to do so where he can get like $1000 down at +500 at 5Dimes. He'd do it in a UFC fight where he can bet hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. Makes zero sense to do it now.

As far One paying him to take a dive, why would One approach one of the most respected guys in MMA, risk having Alvarez reject their offer and spill the beans, and jeopardize the legitimacy of their whole promotion? They can secure hundreds of millions of funding from Sequoia Investments but they want to potentially throw everything away to get Nastyukhin a win over Eddie Alvarez? In no world does that make any sense.

Eddie lost because he's been fighting for like 15 years and is an older fighter facing a young Tiger Muay Thai guy that hits hard. We've seen this shit happen in MMA all the time. Eddie was a -350 favorite and the underdog cash. There is no story here.

Damn. You know it all.

[PaperTrail07]

It was not that scary of a 15 seconds LOL....his legs were still tied up.....his he took mount and was dropping proper elbows MAYBE....but not what Holland did....I made a LAUGHABLE post during the fight saying oh Holland won 10 seconds-lets give him the round LOL.....it was absolute TERRIBLE judging....you cant lose over 4 mins and get a few ground punches in and think you won the round LOL...

You just can't let a guy get in dominant position for the last 15 seconds and wail away at you though in boring rounds. They are both awful. Holland's ground game isn't had and even his wrestling is better than whatever he calls that pea in his head. Gm3 doesn't go late in fights because he's a quitter/gasser

[PaperTrail07]

Did enough to beat Holland IMO lol....it was pathetic....lazy....gassed...boring....b ut sadly enough...

You just can't let a guy get in dominant position for the last 15 seconds and wail away at you though in boring rounds. They are both awful. Holland's ground game isn't had and even his wrestling is better than whatever he calls that pea in his head. Gm3 doesn't go late in fights because he's a quitter/gasser

[PaperTrail07]

Educate these boxing idiots....just like I said....smh

https://www.mmanews.com/ray-borg-ufc-philadelphia-judges/

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Drinking on the job-what does it say BOXER lol.....holy fuckkk

[firekillex]

definitely wasnt a 30-27 for casey kenney but it was a close fight, Borg got slams but then literally did nothing with them, Kenney would just pop right back up with 0 damage , thought it wouldve been a split whoever won tbh, pretty crap fight and Borg looked like nothing special

when they said 30-27 i thought it was going to Borg though i had him slightly winning but wouldnt call this a robber all the rounds were razor thin tbh, Borg needs to do more after the takedown and he wouldve had an easy decision win here

[PaperTrail07]

Correct...but getting tossed around and getting out does not win you a fight...your getting controlled...I'm glad you withstood the takedown and controlled wrists smh....look at the scoring criteria for UFC/MMA... if the scoring system was based on damage and punches-YOUR CORRECT----this is MMA scoring-not boxing-

[PaperTrail07]

Scorecards like this inch the sport closer to boxing which is a very fuckn scary thing IMO

[firekillex]

definitely not even close to a top 10 judge robbery in 2019 imo, Borg literally just did slams and casey kenney would get up or reverse him , damage is a factor in scoring , Borg didnt really control him at all he would slam him down and everytime he got the back he would slip off over and over
round 1 i had Kenney, round 2 was Borg and round 3 i slightly was leaning Borg but thought either could win

sherdog judges are usually pretty solid and had it scored
Sherdog Scores

Adam Martin scores the round: 10-9 Kenney (29-28 Kenney)
Cole Shelton scores the round: 10-9 Borg (29-28 Borg)
Ant Walker scores the round: 10-9 Kenney (29-28 Kenney)

[Enfuego]

definitely not even close to a top 10 judge robbery in 2019 imo, Borg literally just did slams and casey kenney would get up or reverse him , damage is a factor in scoring , Borg didnt really control him at all he would slam him down and everytime he got the back he would slip off over and over
round 1 i had Kenney, round 2 was Borg and round 3 i slightly was leaning Borg but thought either could win

sherdog judges are usually pretty solid and had it scored
Sherdog Scores

Adam Martin scores the round: 10-9 Kenney (29-28 Kenney)
Cole Shelton scores the round: 10-9 Borg (29-28 Borg)
Ant Walker scores the round: 10-9 Kenney (29-28 Kenney)

Why do you consider Sherdog judges as the authority on decisions in a fight?

[firekillex]

Why do you consider Sherdog judges as the authority on decisions in a fight?

different perspectives of scoring , never said theyre the end all be all
like i said i had Borg winning very slightly , it was no "robbery" people throw that word around far too much lately
if its a robbery you better win all 3 rounds decisively and have no arguments
Borg won 1 possibly 2 rounds with literally 0 damage, just doing slams and getting no position or damage with them , if youd ask 10 people who won that fight it would probably be fairly close 6/4 or something who thought Borg won , a robbery is when 9 or 10 outta 10 say they won , didnt bet on the fight and have 0 dog in the race just saying what i saw

[Enfuego]

different perspectives of scoring , never said theyre the end all be all
like i said i had Borg winning very slightly , it was no "robbery" people throw that word around far too much lately
if its a robbery you better win all 3 rounds decisively and have no arguments
Borg won 1 possibly 2 rounds with literally 0 damage, just doing slams and getting no position or damage with them , if youd ask 10 people who won that fight it would probably be fairly close 6/4 or something who thought Borg won , a robbery is when 9 or 10 outta 10 say they won , didnt bet on the fight and have 0 dog in the race just saying what i saw

I don't think it was a robbery but Borg won that fight. To me, he won 2 and 3 decisively.

[firekillex]

I don't think it was a robbery but Borg won that fight. To me, he won 2 and 3 decisively.

i had it 1 round a piece going into round 3 and had Borg winning round 3 very slightly , seen much worse decisions
i dont like rewarding wrestlers who get takedowns that do absolutely nothing with them though , i dont think that should be scored for a ton of points... was surprised Kenney got the unanimous though , thought it would be a split for whoever won

3 round 10 point must system is tough though , i think the scoring needs some adjustments no doubt, sport is still very young

[turbozed]

For anyone still wondering why Eddie seemed to give up after getting hit by Nasty, he says this on his instagram:

The punch that hit me , instantly blinded me and split both eyelids in half . It felt like my eye exploded from the inside and the pain was instant .

And here's a picture of his eye after:

[PaperTrail07]

be real post the WHOLE MMA decisions lol....it was like 17-3....BORG lol...

definitely not even close to a top 10 judge robbery in 2019 imo, Borg literally just did slams and casey kenney would get up or reverse him , damage is a factor in scoring , Borg didnt really control him at all he would slam him down and everytime he got the back he would slip off over and over
round 1 i had Kenney, round 2 was Borg and round 3 i slightly was leaning Borg but thought either could win

sherdog judges are usually pretty solid and had it scored
Sherdog Scores

Adam Martin scores the round: 10-9 Kenney (29-28 Kenney)
Cole Shelton scores the round: 10-9 Borg (29-28 Borg)
Ant Walker scores the round: 10-9 Kenney (29-28 Kenney)

[PaperTrail07]

15-3 from "Professionals"....http://mmadecisions.com/decision/994...ey-vs-Ray-Borg

Why do you consider Sherdog judges as the authority on decisions in a fight?

[PaperTrail07]

100% agree.....fire you keep using the word damage.....focus on how its scored....

I don't think it was a robbery but Borg won that fight. To me, he won 2 and 3 decisively.

[PaperTrail07]

Ouch for Eddie----hope he covers and comes back strong..

[firekillex]

100% agree.....fire you keep using the word damage.....focus on how its scored....

watched the fight again , think the exact same thing ... split for whoever won and it was super close
scoring fights is perspective just because you see it go a certain way doesnt mean everybody else will, didnt hear any actual fighters call it a robbery really, mostly people just sad for Borgs situation with his family so theyre giving him some sympathy since he lost 20-30% purse for missing weight for the i dunno how many times now, buddy came in on a weeks notice and basically had a 50/50 fight with Borg

seems like youre getting salty, i said personally i had Borg round 2 and slightly 3 not sure what youre sending me links saying he won when i already agreed ??? still think it couldve gone either way if i bet Borg at the end of the fight i wouldnt have been confident at all, when i heard the 30-27 i then wouldve been confident though ill give you that he won round 2 100% for me

[PaperTrail07]

not salty, just don't see how someone see's it as THAT close-I rewatched it as well....im way past this bet I just hate how people see it as razor thin....damage shouldn't be discussed like is major judging criteria...hes getting tossed around and slipping out of position....if it was that close....90% of people wouldn't have picked borg....again just pointing out-that if this is how its scored---totally against the criteria.....welcome to boxing---just lift someones fuckn hand smh...

watched the fight again , think the exact same thing ... split for whoever won and it was super close
scoring fights is perspective just because you see it go a certain way doesnt mean everybody else will, didnt hear any actual fighters call it a robbery really, mostly people just sad for Borgs situation with his family so theyre giving him some sympathy since he lost 20-30% purse for missing weight for the i dunno how many times now, buddy came in on a weeks notice and basically had a 50/50 fight with Borg

seems like youre getting salty, i said personally i had Borg round 2 and slightly 3 not sure what youre sending me links saying he won when i already agreed ??? still think it couldve gone either way if i bet Borg at the end of the fight i wouldnt have been confident at all, when i heard the 30-27 i then wouldve been confident though ill give you that he won round 2 100% for me

[PaperTrail07]

https://mmashare.fullfight.video/mma...aert-t571.html Holland Gets throws like a ragdoll round 2-3, shows terrbiel D.....using ear claps LOL.....and they credit him 30-27........

watched the fight again , think the exact same thing ... split for whoever won and it was super close
scoring fights is perspective just because you see it go a certain way doesnt mean everybody else will, didnt hear any actual fighters call it a robbery really, mostly people just sad for Borgs situation with his family so theyre giving him some sympathy since he lost 20-30% purse for missing weight for the i dunno how many times now, buddy came in on a weeks notice and basically had a 50/50 fight with Borg

seems like youre getting salty, i said personally i had Borg round 2 and slightly 3 not sure what youre sending me links saying he won when i already agreed ??? still think it couldve gone either way if i bet Borg at the end of the fight i wouldnt have been confident at all, when i heard the 30-27 i then wouldve been confident though ill give you that he won round 2 100% for me

[firekillex]

https://mmashare.fullfight.video/mma...aert-t571.html Holland Gets throws like a ragdoll round 2-3, shows terrbiel D.....using ear claps LOL.....and they credit him 30-27........

didnt get to watch that fight so dont really have an opinion
no doubt theres a lot of bad scoring in MMA and the scoring criteria could be explained better... imo in a fight damage should be the MAIN criteria, youre there to do damage not to pick somebody up and drop them and they get back up in 2 seconds... but like i said everybody scores fights differently , thats why judging is subjective... again i had Borg winning but i couldve seen it going either way

cheers

[PaperTrail07]

Agree....and I'm all for changing the scoring system-its the setup that gets the sanctioned is why they use it OBV...but damn judges....go w it ..............I also am not THAT bothered by it, but if everyone keeps looking the other way when it happens....the % it happens will def increase.....it SHOULD upset people....

didnt get to watch that fight so dont really have an opinion
no doubt theres a lot of bad scoring in MMA and the scoring criteria could be explained better... imo in a fight damage should be the MAIN criteria, youre there to do damage not to pick somebody up and drop them and they get back up in 2 seconds... but like i said everybody scores fights differently , thats why judging is subjective... again i had Borg winning but i couldve seen it going either way

cheers

[firekillex]

who knows though boxing been around forever and they have the worst judges ive ever seen in my entire life , judging combat sports is just tough because you cant always know from the sidelines how hard a shot lands and some people cut open/ mark up way easier so a glancing jab can cut 1 guy and a full power hook can leave 0 mark on another guy.... definitely need some adjustments with MMA scoring though no doubt and i dont love just having 3 judges

[PaperTrail07]

for sure....but boxing is a dying sport riddled with rigged decisions and payoffs.....no Bueno...Yeah...its just had to get the new model into place IMO

who knows though boxing been around forever and they have the worst judges ive ever seen in my entire life , judging combat sports is just tough because you cant always know from the sidelines how hard a shot lands and some people cut open/ mark up way easier so a glancing jab can cut 1 guy and a full power hook can leave 0 mark on another guy.... definitely need some adjustments with MMA scoring though no doubt and i dont love just having 3 judges

[Enfuego]

15-3 from "Professionals"....http://mmadecisions.com/decision/994...ey-vs-Ray-Borg

Media lol. These guys are fans that write for websites in their basements.

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could say the same for CNN war reporting

Media lol. These guys are fans that write for websites in their basements.