UFC 219: Cyborg Vs. Holm | 30.12.2017 (Las Vegas, Nevada)

**Thor4140** · 12-31-17, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by turbozed

According to Fighmetric, Cyborg outlanded Holly 15-6 in the first round. And the shots were more powerful too.

Rd2: 21-4 strikes in favor of Cyborg.

You and the judges must have been scoring kiyais. Absolute shit scoring robs the point spread

i did watch it on a computer for the first time in years. Round one i will watch again but no way Cyborg out landed Holly that much. I really dont take Fightmetric as something that is gospel.

**Slevin07** · 12-31-17, 01:28 AM

I judged it cyborg 50-45. Cashed anyway for me, my book doesn't offer -5.5. Didn't put a bet on magny/condit, regret that right now. Lost on diakese with most of you. Positive night for me but I wanted bigger.

Some great cappers on this board. I usually only bet main card, as I don't know prelim fighters like you guys do.

**RussianMike** · 12-31-17, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Yeah. I am so sure Vegas fixed the scores to screw over people with prop bets.

C'mon man. Prop bets.

Right. Good luck even finding a casino in vegas that will allow you to parlay a fighter with the round total, let alone host props on a UFC fight. Dem shiny fountains and pointy needle lookin casinos weren't built off prop bets.

**Thor4140** · 12-31-17, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Yeah. I am so sure Vegas fixed the scores to screw over people with prop bets.

C'mon man. Prop bets.

all the guys complaining in here all have the same beef and they should. Now this was the main event. What do u think happen all around the country? Same shit, this was probably the majority of bets on this fight. This isn't bad judging this is stealing.

**firekillex** · 12-31-17, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Thor4140

Vegas is such an wonderful honest place no way they could do anything like that. KInda like when they CJ Ross had it 114-114 in the Mayweather Canelo match to wipe out all unanimous wagers. Kermit go away okay. I get it a trillion dollar business world wide has no corruption in it whatsoever. So over your head

or when mayweather beat mcgregor on some rounds without throwing a punch

**JIBBBY** · 12-31-17, 01:32 AM

Did anyone pick Cyborg by UN decision? I didn't see anyone call a Cyborg decision win period in this thread or among MMA friends of my own or in MMA write ups..

VEGAS wins tonight in the main event.. We all lose, end of story.. It happens. Next... That's why Vegas continues to survive, thrive and grow.. House wins...

Gotta pick your spots and think outside the box at times.. I don't even know what the odds were for that prop? Anyone, Bueler, Bueler?

**Thor4140** · 12-31-17, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by RussianMike

Right. Good luck even finding a casino in vegas that will allow you to parlay a fighter with the round total, let alone host props on a UFC fight. Dem shiny fountains and pointy needle lookin casinos weren't built off prop bets.

they take what they want and as long as u idiots think everything is on the up and up it will never change. This was a huge betting day in all sports and if u look around cbb was all books winning. NBA book won almost everything. CFB books won everything but the Penn state game. Sports betting is a lot like politics. Some guys figure it out and most get rolled right over. Have a nice night.

**Kermit** · 12-31-17, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Thor4140

all the guys complaining in here all have the same beef and they should. Now this was the main event. What do u think happen all around the country? Same shit, this was probably the majority of bets on this fight. This isn't bad judging this is stealing.

I am having a real hard time believing this was the main bet played for this fight.

What book(s) was this prop bet played at? What Vegas Casinos had this prop? And isn't there limits on these types of plays?

Did Tony at 5 Dimes call in favors to the judges?

**Thor4140** · 12-31-17, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by firekillex

or when mayweather beat mcgregor on some rounds without throwing a punch

i think Money was up 3-0 on some cards. He threw two punches

**Thor4140** · 12-31-17, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

I am having a real hard time believing this was the main bet played for this fight.

What book(s) was this prop bet played at? What Vegas Casinos had this prop? And isn't there limits on these types of plays?

Did Tony at 5 Dimes call in favors to the judges?

im gonna tap out

**Kermit** · 12-31-17, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by Thor4140

im gonna tap out

Well answer the question.

You can't go and fabricate stories with no proof.

**RussianMike** · 12-31-17, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by Thor4140

i did watch it on a computer for the first time in years. Round one i will watch again but no way Cyborg out landed Holly that much. I really dont take Fightmetric as something that is gospel.

Round one Holly looked nervous as hell, I think you putting too much value on that first exchange where Holm made it look ugly but landed a good combo to set up head kick. Other than that it was on to watching that animal stalk it's fookin prey all day long. Appeared to be her game plan to stalk without throwing leads, just hunch up like a gorilla and wait to counter. Especially in round 2. Looked like the exact same exchange the entire round. Holly leads with a weak jab, drops her left or even reaches with it, either way, boom , two to the dome, and out she bounces. Over. and over and over again. Like we were watching Mike Tyson's Punch-Out, and someone's controller got stuck. LOL. Still, Holm got nothing to be ashamed of at all and can build off this fight.

**turbozed** · 12-31-17, 01:38 AM

Two judges scored the first 2 rounds for Holm.

Imagine if Holm won the 5th round. It would've been a majority decision for Holm.

Let that sink in.

**firekillex** · 12-31-17, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by Thor4140

i think Money was up 3-0 on some cards. He threw two punches

thats vegas judging for ya

**firekillex** · 12-31-17, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by turbozed

Two judges scored the first 2 rounds for Holm.

Imagine if Holm won the 5th round. It would've been a majority decision for Holm.

Let that sink in.

that wouldve probably been the worst title fight robbery in UFC history if that happened
literally Holm only won the clinch battles and she just held her on the cage and pushed off after 10 seconds , other then that she got outlanded and by a big margin on damage imo

**PaperTrail07** · 12-31-17, 01:46 AM

What hilarious to me is the sharp judging the fight before....then 48-47's LOL.....hilarious......in other new I felt VERY lucky to cash the over 2.5 on the Khabib fight....went big after losing on Roundtree and cavillo....Nurg could have easily sunk in the RNC a few time even tho Barbosa did an OK job of defending.....he even said after he wanted it to go 15 LOL....

**RussianMike** · 12-31-17, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Thor4140

they take what they want and as long as u idiots think everything is on the up and up it will never change. This was a huge betting day in all sports and if u look around cbb was all books winning. NBA book won almost everything. CFB books won everything but the Penn state game. Sports betting is a lot like politics. Some guys figure it out and most get rolled right over. Have a nice night.

Dude, I just told ya, Vegas casinos don't offer that prop. None. I'm in vegas now, guy. Bad judging in fight game as old as Moses. doesn't necessarily mean always for the fix. Home crowd might have given Holm couple extra rounds. Maybe was judged some on outcome relative to expectation. Valient effort. maybe one of the judges busted their girlfriends suckin Cyborg's rooster before the fight and had it out for her. This is a crazy world that revolves around more shit than sticking it to Thor and his fuckin prop bet.

**Shagdogy** · 12-31-17, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Here's where I am at so far... will prob be adding more throughout the night. We'll see.

Straight Plays
De La Rosa +195, .5u
Vettori -235, 3u
Magny +135, 1u
Barboza +250, 1u

Parlays
Rountree+ Diakiese parlay +100, 1.5u
Nicolau + Cyborg parlay -115, 1.5u
Nicolau + Rountree/Oleksiejczuk parlay u1.5 +112, 1.33u

Good luck everyone!

Pretty bad set of circumstances for me so far... Now I wanna turn degenerate. Here's the first step:

Added: Diakiese+Cyborg, +112, 1.5u

Continue degenerate style. Added Calvillo -215, 2.15u. This is a square ass bet. Oh well.

Literally everything is bad tonight. Doubling down on Barboza. Added 1u at +300. Let's see how low we can go.

Card Total: 2-6, -6.32u

FINAL YTD OF 2017: 127-121, +9.35u

Sucks to end the year with my biggest loss of the whole year. I need to do a lot more reflection on the year's bets, but ultimately, any year where you end in the positive is a victory in its own right, though I really hope to turn out much better than this in the long run. I did manage to pay for both of my trips to Vegas this year as well, so I'll take it. Two paid trips and finishing in the plus. Much higher goals for next year though.

**turbozed** · 12-31-17, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by RussianMike

Dude, I just told ya, Vegas casinos don't offer that prop. None. I'm in vegas now, guy. Bad judging in fight game as old as Moses. doesn't necessarily mean always for the fix. Home crowd might have given Holm couple extra rounds. Maybe was judged some on outcome relative to expectation. Valient effort. maybe one of the judges busted their girlfriends suckin Cyborg's rooster before the fight and had it out for her. This is a crazy world that revolves around more shit than sticking it to Thor and his fuckin prop bet.

I agree with you Mike. Prob nothing to do with Vegas. Either insanely incompetent judges or they wanted Holly to win for unknown reasons.

**PaperTrail07** · 12-31-17, 01:49 AM

No doubt....nice to see her step up ...respect.....are these judges so DUMB that when people cheer for Holly or React to their hits...does that weigh in? lol seemed too and does in brazil...

Originally posted by RussianMike

Round one Holly looked nervous as hell, I think you putting too much value on that first exchange where Holm made it look ugly but landed a good combo to set up head kick. Other than that it was on to watching that animal stalk it's fookin prey all day long. Appeared to be her game plan to stalk without throwing leads, just hunch up like a gorilla and wait to counter. Especially in round 2. Looked like the exact same exchange the entire round. Holly leads with a weak jab, drops her left or even reaches with it, either way, boom , two to the dome, and out she bounces. Over. and over and over again. Like we were watching Mike Tyson's Punch-Out, and someone's controller got stuck. LOL. Still, Holm got nothing to be ashamed of at all and can build off this fight.

**Kermit** · 12-31-17, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by RussianMike

Dude, I just told ya, Vegas casinos don't offer that prop. None. I'm in vegas now, guy. Bad judging in fight game as old as Moses. doesn't necessarily mean always for the fix. Home crowd might have given Holm couple extra rounds. Maybe was judged some on outcome relative to expectation. Valient effort. maybe one of the judges busted their girlfriends suckin Cyborg's rooster before the fight and had it out for her. This is a crazy world that revolves around more shit than sticking it to Thor and his fuckin prop bet.

That is why I asked him what Vegas casinos took that kind of bet. When I was in Vegas last year, the MGM didn't have any point prop bets for the decisions in UFC fights.

Thor thinks that Judges in Vegas are fixing the points in decisions for obscure off-shore prop bets.

**turbozed** · 12-31-17, 01:54 AM

Ended year (actually since I started tracking in July) up 42 units.

Bet $71k and profit of $7.87k for an average return of 11% of amount wagered.

Ended this month down $2k though so that hurt a bit.

Some other fun stats:

ML betting returns 34% of amount wagered
Point spread betting returns 36.3% of amount wagered
Over/under return 12.4% of amount wagered
Props returned -21.2% of amount wagered
Live betting returns 43.4% of amount wagered

Looks like I need to stop playing props!

**PaperTrail07** · 12-31-17, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by RussianMike

Dude, I just told ya, Vegas casinos don't offer that prop. None. I'm in vegas now, guy. Bad judging in fight game as old as Moses. doesn't necessarily mean always for the fix. Home crowd might have given Holm couple extra rounds. Maybe was judged some on outcome relative to expectation. Valient effort. maybe one of the judges busted their girlfriends suckin Cyborg's rooster before the fight and had it out for her. This is a crazy world that revolves around more shit than sticking it to Thor and his fuckin prop bet.

**Kermit** · 12-31-17, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by turbozed

Ended year (actually since I started tracking in July) up 42 units.

Bet $71k and profit of $7.87k for an average return of 11% of amount wagered.

Ended this month down $2k though so that hurt a bit.

Some other fun stats:

ML betting returns 34% of amount wagered
Point spread betting returns 36.3% of amount wagered
Over/under return 12.4% of amount wagered
Props returned -21.2% of amount wagered
Live betting returns 43.4% of amount wagered

Looks like I need to stop playing props!

Maybe Thor was right. Vegas IS focused on fixing prop bets.

**Slevin07** · 12-31-17, 02:06 AM

I'm a fan of ferg but I want to see Khabib vs Ferg just so I can bet Khabib. Put money on khabib against Conor too, left hand has a chance in that though but probably better odds.

**Thor4140** · 12-31-17, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

That is why I asked him what Vegas casinos took that kind of bet. When I was in Vegas last year, the MGM didn't have any point prop bets for the decisions in UFC fights.

Thor thinks that Judges in Vegas are fixing the points in decisions for obscure off-shore prop bets.

When i say Vegas i mean gambling world wide. I guess i just use that term "Vegas" for some strange reason. Let me show u something. Look at some of the horrible decisions that have happen. Im not talking about shit fights. Im talking about big betting fights. You will find a lot of those same judges on those fights. That guy Sal something seems to be on every big fight. In boxing you have Jerry Roth, Moretti, and two others i can't think of on the top of my head. Why u think Benson Henderson kept that title so long. Nobody was betting this fuk but sure as hell he was getting every close decision. A guy like Frankie Edgar everyone loves to bet. After BJ he couldn't buy a decision. Think what you want. Heck i remember a time i told a site that i was gonna predict a game and show them who would stiff the game and how it would happen. You know what happen? It went exactly how i said it would. You know what guys said to me? I got lucky. The certain quarterback just had a bad game. The same guy who had three terrific games until he played a shitty team. Watch tomorrow in the NFL how the teams that have to win struggle. flacco might be the biggest crook since Brett Favre. Watch him keep that game inside the number. Watch Seattle struggle and the biggest crook of them all Matt Ryan most likely won't cover and i even doubt if he wins. This same prick in the superbowl was snapping the ball with 23 seconds left on the clock when they were up big, to let the all American boy Brady win that game. Same Ryan taking horrible sacks. Fumbling in key spots. He went from having a good game to forgetting how to even play the game all in one game lol. Honestly i don't care if anyone believes me. I know im right and only one in ten would agree with me. Heck i even had times where nitwits wanted to fist fight me because they didn't like me talking about their hero's like this. Coaches, targeted players and refs are all in cahoots to fuk the bettors. I always wondered what the payoff was for these guys fixing games. Well beside the league making billions off this cheating these certain atheletes seem to always get these cushy tv jobs. The latest was Romo. I knew when that stiff was gonna tank a game almost as easily as when i see Flacco and Rivers tank one. Rivers will end up with one of those tv gigs just like the super crook Fouts did.

**Thor4140** · 12-31-17, 02:24 AM

Ten guys in here talking about inept judges. You guys will be talking about inept judges till the day u die and nothing will change until u figure it out. It is like a concrete block with some of u guys to even think maybe something shady happen.

**Kermit** · 12-31-17, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by Thor4140

Ten guys in here talking about inept judges. You guys will be talking about inept judges till the day u die and nothing will change until u figure it out. It is like a concrete block with some of u guys to even think maybe something shady happen.

UFC Judges in America are not fixing scores for freaking prop bets from an offshore book's prop bet.

And if players were fixing games like you say, they would be coming out of the woodwork like termites writing books and doing interviews about the corruption in the league when they are flat broke off of their ass. Look how many NFL and NBA players are out of the league and don't have 2 nickles to rub together. Now if these guys were part of a grand scheme of cheating and fixing games, you know damn well that they would be spilling their guts to make a buck so that they wouldn't have to go back to the shitty run down car wash hat they are working at.

Sure Joe Flacco may get a cushy TV gig after he retires, but Travis Henry still can't pay the child support he owes for his 11 kids.

Was JaMarcus Russell in on the NFL football fixing too?

Think about it.

**Shagdogy** · 12-31-17, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by turbozed

Ended year (actually since I started tracking in July) up 42 units.

Bet $71k and profit of $7.87k for an average return of 11% of amount wagered.

Ended this month down $2k though so that hurt a bit.

Some other fun stats:

ML betting returns 34% of amount wagered
Point spread betting returns 36.3% of amount wagered
Over/under return 12.4% of amount wagered
Props returned -21.2% of amount wagered
Live betting returns 43.4% of amount wagered

Looks like I need to stop playing props!

Damn Turbo. Someone is slinging some real money... do you know what % you increased your starting bankroll? I made 14% profit. It was 24% before the last two events. I figure I'm racing my investment accounts... if I can beat them then I feel like I've done ok.

I need to get better about keeping bet specific stats. It's all recorded here but it would take forever to go back through and break it down.

**thewitchinghour** · 12-31-17, 03:26 AM

Any idea what the odds would be on a Justin Gaetje vs Khabib fight?... would be fun to watch...

**RussianMike** · 12-31-17, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

No doubt....nice to see her step up ...respect.....are these judges so DUMB that when people cheer for Holly or React to their hits...does that weigh in? lol seemed too and does in brazil...

Don't even get me started on that shit. Brazil? Brazil??? How about penetrating land of bad food and shitty weather, UK? How many times did Bisping get the shit beaten out of him over there and still come out with a victory? Almost all of them, seems like. Oh, and they do boxing, too. Anyways, in this case I think the judges gave Holm some credit for the effort is all.

**Sato** · 12-31-17, 08:46 AM

Holly did exactly was she had to do. Cyborg really changed her style. Big patience and control. Shes more dangerous now.

Well, took a stab at Edson and some props, Calvillo and Holly and they lost. Edson and Holly are pure odds plays but Calvillo really dissapointed me. She needs to extremely work on her hands.

And I didnt bet Hooker. Bums me out.

**Demonata** · 12-31-17, 11:01 AM

Hey guys. I feel so sick cyborg and khabib won easy. If memphis or Louisville would have won i would have won over 10 grand last night. Lost 5 grand. Saved up for couple months and savings for tgis but got greedy and added two college football moneylines to the khabib cyborg parlays. Ibwould have won so much money. Finished the year down like 20 grand. Worst year ever. Parlays penetrate you so bad. Dont add other sports to ufc parlays. Cant trust other sports at all.

**thewitchinghour** · 12-31-17, 12:30 PM

Last night was a fun card with some value opportunities that worked out great, Esparza, Hooker, and a favorite that ended up in a draw, Marvin, also some nice parlay material in Tim Elliot, Cyborg, and Khabib, Cyborg... and then a loss suffered on Smolka for a value play...

overall wins

Esparza
Hooker
Elliot/Cyborg
Khabib/Cyborg

Loss
Smolka

4-1-1

**firekillex** · 12-31-17, 12:49 PM

decision fest last night, but some interesting scraps
smolka is to weak for the weight class, id suggest he packs some muscle on and move up tbh
khabib vs big ferg is what everybody needs to see
cyborg vs nunes is a very good matchup
esparza showed shes improved her standup slightly and Calvillo isnt at elite status
condit didnt look GREAT but he showed he still has some left for fun matchups
and myles jury looks like a solid top 10 prospect still would like to see him versus Yair or Ricardo lamas