UFC 212: Aldo vs. Holloway (June 03, 2017)

**firekillex** · 06-04-17, 09:55 PM

in USA id say 90% chance Nate gets the decision.. it was a pretty obvious call imo
kinda bullshit how you get hometown judging should just be a fair judging call everytime regardless, can ruin peoples careers

**firekillex** · 06-04-17, 09:58 PM

chad has great hands imo, huge power for 145... guys top 5 still in the division for me....
hopefully they give a fringe top 10 guy to warm up and ill be on him big

him vs cub swanson or ricardo lamas would be a sweet fight but those will be tougher top 5 fights.. could see him winning either though imo if his heads on straight.. think hell be super hungry to get back into the octagon

**JIBBBY** · 06-04-17, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

chad has great hands imo, huge power for 145... guys top 5 still in the division for me....
hopefully they give a fringe top 10 guy to warm up and ill be on him big

him vs cub swanson or ricardo lamas would be a sweet fight but those will be tougher top 5 fights.. could see him winning either though imo if his heads on straight.. think hell be super hungry to get back into the octagon

Too short, mini Mendes gets exposed standing everytime against the real deals especially if he can't get the fight to the ground. His gas tank and heart is questionable as well.. Will fade and you should as well.

**firekillex** · 06-04-17, 10:10 PM

forgot actually Mendes kod Lamas first round and he beat Swanson by decision before
hes beat basically the whole division... Stood toe to toe with a prime Aldo for 5 rounds in one of the best fights ive ever seen
cannot be taken down pretty much, and has huge power , superemely athletic as well

hes on a bad streak but he took the mcgregor fight on 2 weeks notice and mcgregor is a friggen beast 155 champ whos way bigger then mendes and Edgar is easily top 3 145er who caught him on the chin.. hes finished plenty of guys on the feet as well

lets see who he gets matched up with we can do a betpoints wager for fun if the matchup is right?

**JIBBBY** · 06-04-17, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

forgot actually Mendes kod Lamas first round and he beat Swanson by decision before
hes beat basically the whole division... Stood toe to toe with a prime Aldo for 5 rounds in one of the best fights ive ever seen
cannot be taken down pretty much, and has huge power , superemely athletic as well

hes on a bad streak but he took the mcgregor fight on 2 weeks notice and mcgregor is a friggen beast 155 champ whos way bigger then mendes and Edgar is easily top 3 145er who caught him on the chin.. hes finished plenty of guys on the feet as well

lets see who he gets matched up with we can do a betpoints wager for fun if the matchup is right?

Lamas and Swanson aren't the very top of the food chain IMO, Swanson always gets beat by strong wrestlers..

Sure I'll wager with you.. Still trying to get my bet points back up.. Working on that now... I'm fading Chad for sure, his chin is suspect..

**firekillex** · 06-04-17, 10:20 PM

ranked #3 and #4 in the world at 145 gotta give some props , but cool sure he wont get a fight until end of summer i think he comes off suspension soon well do something if the fight is right

Champion : Max Holloway

1	Jose Aldo
2	Frankie Edgar
3	Ricardo Lamas
4	Cub Swanson
5	Chan Sung Jung
6	Anthony Pettis
7	Yair Rodriguez
8	Jeremy Stephens
9	Brian Ortega
10	Dennis Bermudez
11	Renato Moicano
12	Darren Elkins
13	Dooho Choi
14	Mirsad Bektic
15	Renan Barao

**JIBBBY** · 06-04-17, 10:26 PM

^^ Weak division I'll give you that much Fire.. Korean Zombie should be ranked higher.. Will take him over Lamas in the upcoming bout..

**Hugo de Naranja** · 06-05-17, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

^^ Weak division I'll give you that much Fire.. Korean Zombie should be ranked higher.. Will take him over Lamas in the upcoming bout..

Cancelled due to KZ injury

**JIBBBY** · 06-05-17, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Cancelled due to KZ injury

......

**Sanity Check** · 06-05-17, 01:39 PM

145 is a ghost of its former self without King Conor holding it down.

Conor basically threw the 145 lb belt into a trash can & said whoever takes the belt after him is a garbage picker.

Artem Lobov should also be ranked higher.

**firekillex** · 06-05-17, 02:01 PM

artem lobov lost his last fight
and will never be a top 10 fighter in any weight class loll
hes a low end guy, hes improved a ton ill give him that but hes to one dimensional to be top 15

**Sanity Check** · 06-05-17, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

artem lobov lost his last fight
and will never be a top 10 fighter in any weight class loll
hes a low end guy, hes improved a ton ill give him that but hes to one dimensional to be top 15

Artem fought the #4 ranked FW.

He won the 1st round.

In the 2 frame Artem got taken down & gased his arms out defending a choke/getting back to his feet.

If not for that, the fight could have been much closer.

There are a few things Artem needs to work on and he'll be solid top 10, top 15 imo.

He can bang. Only needs to be more confident in his grappling/jiu jitsu game.

**firekillex** · 06-05-17, 02:35 PM

13-13 record
beat one even slightly decent guy in the UFC
was a punching bag against Swanson he had one solid round in rd 1... doesnt mean much
id be extremely shocked if he ever cracked top 15.... wouldnt be surprised to see him outta the UFC soon, only reason hell stick around for a bit because hes mcgregors best friend

**Sanity Check** · 06-05-17, 03:57 PM

lol you sound like one of those haters that said Donald Trump would never beat Hillary, the falcons are "90% guaranteed" of beating the patriots and russia "h4xed" the elections.

Try looking on the bright side for a change mr doom and gloom.

**firekillex** · 06-05-17, 04:28 PM

What are you talking about lol... saying a persons factual record is hating

I've literally never heard one person in my entire life of talking mma say artem lobov is a potential top 10-15
talent in the UFC

thats the go to response of somebody who knows they lost a debate / discussion these days "you're a hater, you're a racist , you're a feminist " you literally give 0 facts to why artem could be a top 15 fighter you said he got a takedown in a 25 minute fight where he got unanimous decisioned and looked like a human punching bag lol... I agreed he's improving but improving from a guy who lost his TUF prelim on a terrible season isn't much to say

**Shagdogy** · 06-05-17, 04:37 PM

I'm with Fire, Artem sucks.

**Shagdogy** · 06-05-17, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Shaggy another winning event for you good work!!!

Yup... needed one. Had cooled off for a little while. Congrats on your night.

I think the lesson here is we definitely need to bet much more from now on. What could go wrong? That's responsible gambling, right?

**Thor4140** · 06-05-17, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Sanity Check

Artem fought the #4 ranked FW.

He won the 1st round.

In the 2 frame Artem got taken down & gased his arms out defending a choke/getting back to his feet.

If not for that, the fight could have been much closer.

There are a few things Artem needs to work on and he'll be solid top 10, top 15 imo.

He can bang. Only needs to be more confident in his grappling/jiu jitsu game.

lol. The guys only offense was using his face to bust up Swansons hands.

**firekillex** · 06-05-17, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I'm with Fire, Artem sucks.

It's pretty obvious he just wings punches and hopes they land he has a solid chin that'll deteriorate eventually and he'll be a regional scene bum ... not to hard to see

I enjoy watching guys succeed and evolve in the game but I cannot see it happening for artem lobov especially at 145 where talent is always coming in , he's to slow for the division and to small for 155

**Sanity Check** · 06-05-17, 05:10 PM

Artem doesn't have the best record or the most well rounded game.

What he does have that a lot of you are missing is: BALLS.

How are you going to root against one of the few fighters in the UFC today who is a real fighter that would fight anyone @ anytime, that doesn't whine and complain like an old lady?

**Demonata** · 06-05-17, 06:28 PM

Artem lobov reminds me of ross pearson

**Sanity Check** · 06-05-17, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Artem lobov reminds me of ross pearson

Lobov is russian. Russians know how to deal with immigrants & protect their people.

Pearson is british. Most brits are atheists whose personal fantasy is being fkd in the ass by their government.

That's why brits open their borders to foreigners who want to rape and murder their women. They worship the state in blind faith and react like someone pissed on the koran if you dare to question the things their government deity says.

Big difference between the two, yo.

**firekillex** · 06-05-17, 07:52 PM

sanity check you need to seriously get your sanity checked lol
its a business not street fighting guy sucks his record is 13-13 hes a low level fighter in the UFC
ross pearson would beat lobov 10 outta 10 times

**Hugo de Naranja** · 06-05-17, 09:41 PM

UFC 212: Holloway vs. Aldo Picks:
Deiveson Figueiredo Round 1 Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Jim Wallhead Round 3 KO (Punches)
Jamie Moyle Split Decision (30-27, 29-28, 28-29)
Iuri Alcantara Round 1 Submission (Armbar)
Matthew Lopez Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Antonio Carlos Junior Round 3 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Marlon Moraes Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Yancy Medeiros Round 2 [T]KO (Punches)
Paulo Borrachinha Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Vitor Belfort Round 1 KO (Head Kick)
Claudia Gadelha Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Max Holloway Unanimous Decision (49-46, 48-47 x2)

**Hugo de Naranja** · 06-05-17, 09:41 PM

UFC 212: Holloway vs. Aldo

Fight Pass Prelims:

Fight #1: Beltran vs. Figueiredo (DEBUT)
Figueiredo ITD (+146) +1.46u
Figueiredo Round 1 (+375) -.5u
Figueiredo/Beltran Draw (+6500) -.1u

Hedge:
Beltran Submission (+1000) -.25u

Result: Deiveson Figueiredo Round 2 TKO (Punches)
Fight: +.61u
Card: +.61u

Fight #2: Wallhead vs. Chagas
Wallhead (+185) -1u
Wallhead ITD (+484) -.5u
Wallhead KO/TKO (+885) -.25u
Wallhead Round 3 (+1800) -.1u
Wallhead/Chagas Draw (+5500) -.35u
Hedge:
Chagas Round 1 (+250) -.5u

Result: Luan Chagas Round 2 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Fight: -2.7u
Card: -2.09u

Fight #3: Pereira vs. Moyle
Moyle (+135) -1u

Result: Viviane Pereira Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Fight: -1u
Card: -3.09u

Fox Sports 1 Prelims:

Fight #4: Alcantara vs. Kelleher (DEBUT)
Alcantara ITD (+145) -.5u
Alcantara Submission (+220) -1u
Alcantara Round 1 (+325) -.5u

Hedge:
Kelleher Round 3 (+2500) -.1u

Result: Brian Kelleher Round 1 Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Fight: -2.1u
Card: -5.19u

Fight #5: Eduardo vs. Lopez
Eduardo+Lopez Under 2.5 (+105) +1.05u
Lopez Submission (+315) -1u
Lopez Round 1 (+375) +1.875u

Hedge:
Eduardo ITD (+404) -.5u

Result: Matthew Lopez Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Fight: +1.425u
Card: -3.765u

Fight #6: Carlos Junior vs. Spicely
Carlos Junior ITD (+160) +1.6u
Carlos Junior Submission (+315) +1.575u
Carlos Junior Round 3 (+1050) -.25u

Hedge:
Spicely ITD (+475) -.25u

Result: Antonio Carlos Junior Round 2 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Fight: +2.675u
Card: -1.09u

Fight #7: Assuncao vs. Moraes (DEBUT)
Moraes -3.5 (+125) -1u
Moraes ITD (+216) -1u

Hedge:
Assuncao Decision (+290) +1.45u

Result: Raphael Assuncao Split Decision (30-27, 29-28, 28-29)
Fight: -.55u
Card: -1.64u

Main Card:

Fight #8: Silva vs. Medeiros
Mederios ITD (+244) +1.22u
Medeiros/Silva Draw (+6500) -.1u

Hedge(s):
Silva Round 1 (+475) -.25u
Silva Submission (+500) -.5u

Added:
Silva+Medeiros GD (+250) -1.5u

Result: Yancy Medeiros Round 2 TKO (Punches)
Fight: -1.13u
Card: -2.77u

Fight #9: Borrachinha vs. Bamgbose
Bamgbose Round 1 (+525) -.5u

Result: Paulo Borrachinha Round 2 TKO (Punches)
Fight: -.5u
Card: -3.27u

Fight #10: Belfort vs. Marquardt
Belfort Round 1 (+125) -1u

Result: Vitor Belfort Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Fight: -1u
Card: -4.27u

Fight #11: Gadelha vs. Kowalkiewicz
Gadelha Decision (-116) -4.64u
Gadelha -3.5 (+165) +2.475u
Gadelha/Kowalkiewicz Draw (+5000) -.1u

Hedge(s):
Kowalkiewicz Decision (+368) -1u
Kowalkiewicz Round 3 (+2500) -.25u

Result: Claudia Gadelha Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Fight: -3.515u
Card: -7.785u

Fight #12: Aldo (C) vs. Holloway (IC)
Aldo+Holloway Over 4.5 Rounds (-145) -5.8u
Holloway Scorecards = No Action (+106) +4.24u
Holloway (+130) +1.3u
Holloway Decision (+240) -1u
Holloway ITD (+500) +2.5u
Holloway Round 3 (+1400) +7u
Holloway Round 4 (+1800) -.25u
Holloway Round 5 (+2600) -.25u
Holloway/Aldo Draw (+5500) -.1u

Added Hedge:
Aldo KO/TKO (+350) -1u

Result: Max Holloway Round 3 TKO (Punches)
Fight: +6.64u
Card: -1.145u

Straight Parlays:
Carlos Junior/Belfort+Marquardt Under 1.5 (+106) -1u
Moraes/Borrachinha ITD (+121) -1u
Silva+Medeiros Won’t Go Distance/Borrachinha+Bamgbose Under 1.5 (+128) +2.56u
Carlos Junior+Spicely Won’t Go Distance/Belfort+Marquardt Under 1.5 (+158) -1u
Carlos Junior+Spicely Won’t Go Distance/Silva+Medeiros Won’t Go Distance (+182) +1.82u

Results: See Above
Fights: +1.38u
Card: +.235u

Prop Parlays:
Carlos Junior/Borrachinha ITD (+120) +1.2u
Moraes Decision/Mederios/Costa KO (+586) -.25u
Belfort/Gadelha -3.5/Aldo -3.5 (+965) -.25u
Alcantara+Kelleher WGD/Lopez+Eduardo WGD/Carlos Junior Submission (+1053) +2.6325u
Figueiredo+Beltran WGD/Wallhead/Moyle (+1308) -.25u
Alcantara Submission/Silva Submission (+1700) -.25u

Results: See Above
Fights: +2.8325u
Card: +3.0675u

Full Card Props:
Over 6.5 Fights Go Distance (+194) -1.25u
Borrachinha Wins Fastest KO (+250) -.5u
Alcantara Wins Fastest Sub (+400) -.5u
Over 7.5 Fights Go Distance (+528) -.5u
Medeiros+Silva FOTN (+575) -1u
Figueiredo Wins Fastest Sub (+1300) -.25u
Over 8.5 Fights Go Distance (+1599) -.25u
Figueiredo+Beltran FOTN (+2500) -.25u

Results: 3 Decisions, Gadelha Fastest Sub, Lopez Fastest KO
Fights: -4.5u
Card: -1.4325u

Live-Betting:
Marquardt (+140) -1u
Belfort+Marquardt Goes Distance (+260) +2.6u

Results: Belfort+Marquardt Goes Distance, Marquardt Loses
Fights: +1.6u
Final Card Total = +.1675u

Multi-Event Parlays:
Torres/Silva+Medeiros Won’t Go Distance (+124) +3.72u

Results: Silva+Medeiros Doesn’t Go Distance
Fights: +3.72u
Multi-Event Parlays Total = +3.72u

**Demonata** · 06-05-17, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Sanity Check

Lobov is russian. Russians know how to deal with immigrants & protect their people.

Pearson is british. Most brits are atheists whose personal fantasy is being fkd in the ass by their government.

That's why brits open their borders to foreigners who want to rape and murder their women. They worship the state in blind faith and react like someone pissed on the koran if you dare to question the things their government deity says.

Big difference between the two, yo.

What does that have to do with fighting style?

**JIBBBY** · 06-06-17, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by firekillex

sanity check you need to seriously get your sanity checked lol
its a business not street fighting guy sucks his record is 13-13 hes a low level fighter in the UFC
ross pearson would beat lobov 10 outta 10 times

Agreed.. Artem while tough as nails, too slow, to methodical, and he sucks..He will continue to lose fights by decision to anyone with half way decent boxing and good footwork.