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  • shady610
    SBR MVP
    • 01-12-06
    • 1570

    #1
    Wand vs. Ace at ufc 99
    not sure what to think. Wand hasnt looked good lately and i havent seen Rich fight for a while since he always manages to be placed on international shows.

    At minimum, its a nice looking fight.

    also cro cop should be fighting at this card too
  • supershark
    Restricted User
    • 03-11-08
    • 231

    #2
    99 looks to be featuring some amazing bouts. Theres two matchups here allready that never crossed my mind, but now seem like obvious (andgreat) choices.
    Couture vs Cro Cop
    Ace vs Wandy.
    now just fill up the rest with some decent fights and we got a superior card.
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    • THE_LOCKSMITH
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 08-25-08
      • 7237

      #3
      I think i've heard randy won't be ready for this card, but Cro cop needs to be on this card who ever he might fight. UFC is known for having local talent when going to London, Ireland, Montreal. Since there really are no German fighters i know off the top of my head, they will need some fighter from europe and CroCop tops that list

      Mirko Filipovic (Croatia)
      Goran Reljic (Croatia)
      Cheick Kongo (France)
      Martin Kampman (Denmark)
      Tomasz Drwal (Poland)
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      • brooks85
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 01-05-09
        • 44709

        #4
        new video going around of randy saying Crocop fight is possible for ufc 99.
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        • THE_LOCKSMITH
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 08-25-08
          • 7237

          #5
          i'd love to see the fight with Coture. Other fights i've heard rumored were

          Couture
          Gonzaga (rematch)
          Overeem (rematch)
          Nogueira (rematch)
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          • The HOFF
            SBR MVP
            • 07-02-08
            • 4847

            #6
            I think Wanderlei is past his prime, no matter what weight he is fighting at. I see this fight going the same as Franklin/Henderson did. Nothing spectacular, going to the scorecards after 3, but this time Franklin wins (going the full 3 rounds is assuming Wanderlei doesn't get caught, BOOM lights out).

            I'm glad to see CroCop back. Hopefully he regains his old form. I think if he loses this next fight, no matter who he is fighting, Dana will quickly cut him again.

            I just peed a little thinking about Overeem in the UFC.

            I'm very excited for the Spencer Fisher / Caol Uno fight as well!
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            • Skanless1
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 11-15-08
              • 706

              #7
              i think wanderlei overpowers him... wanderlei still has SOME gas left in his tank.
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              • TheGovernor11
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 09-17-08
                • 583

                #8
                Wand vs. Ace could be really sweet or three rounds of dry humping. It all depends on what Franklin tries to do. If he decides to stand and bang it's going to be spectacular. Two powerful guys with wild looping stand-up is always entertaining. If however he looks for non-stop take downs, I hope Wand knees him to death (wishful thinking but MK Fatality style?) because Rich is just going to grind out a decision. But I think it's pretty straight that the fights going to take place at a catch weight between 185 and 205 so the cut won't hurt Wand.
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                • j0hnnyv
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-06-09
                  • 3620

                  #9
                  unload on rice "ace" franklin here. wand is DONE

                  anyone who still thinks he can beat any1 respectable is simply a nuthugger. i have been a fan of wandy for years but stick a fork in him
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                  • dudnaito
                    SBR Rookie
                    • 02-28-09
                    • 8

                    #10
                    love wand, but would probably take franklin. The odds will probably favor franklin only a tad too... -160?
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                    • vassman86
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-11-08
                      • 1042

                      #11
                      With both fighters coming off of a loss, I expect Franklin to open as a slight favourite, and rightfully so. An opening line of approximately -120 for Franklin for the books to feel things out.

                      I agree that Franklin is the right call here. UFC-era Wanderlei is a totally different person than Pride-era Wanderlei. One thing that must be noted is that Franklin does not fair well against the muay thai clinch.
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                      • THE_LOCKSMITH
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-25-08
                        • 7237

                        #12
                        5Dimes

                        Franklin -150
                        Silva +120
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                        • The HOFF
                          SBR MVP
                          • 07-02-08
                          • 4847

                          #13
                          Added fight to the UFC 99 card:

                          Alessio Sakara vs Rousimar Palhares

                          Palhares will dominate.
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                          • brooks85
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 01-05-09
                            • 44709

                            #14




                            insert rich franklin
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                            • illmatick
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 01-05-09
                              • 5451

                              #15
                              exactly how I see it books, Wandy still has a few good fights in him, excited about him dropping weight, 185 is the true weight he should be fighting at, 195 will still benefit him,this fight could easily come down to who throws the straighter punches but my money will most likely be on wanderlei
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                              • Riot
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                                • 04-16-09
                                • 437

                                #16
                                well ... rich isnt the toughest chin in the world, but he is one of the smartest fighters out there. He, Hume , and Gurgel will have a strategy to get around Wanderlais 1 demensional assult. (he may still get K.O., nothing is guarenteed) Im pretty Biased because meeting Rich and training out there in ohio with him for a bit is what motivated me to keep fighting and try and go all the way, so i dont know if my vote should count on this one, but i think rich has the edge on the ground and in Cardio
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                                • illmatick
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 01-05-09
                                  • 5451

                                  #17
                                  agree about his strength being his ability to game plan, he has been a much crisper fighter since the addition of Hume, I saw a video today where Anderson was pissed wandy was coming to the middle weight division, Anderson is supposedly training rich how to be wandy, not quite sure why anderson is so mad,but either way wandy is the faster and harder striker imo, add wandy's clinch game to that and I think its quite possible wandy puts him away early, not sure I even make a play though, could make a case for both fighters
                                  Last edited by illmatick; 05-29-09, 06:52 AM.
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                                  • illmatick
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 01-05-09
                                    • 5451

                                    #18
                                    have any of guys looked at the Terry Etim v Justin Buchholz matchup, Etim may be play of the night, -240 high price but this fight will be the closest thing to a lock on the entire fight card imo, not counting paul kelly, wtf is Rolando Delgado doing in the ufc, I remember him from tuf, striked me as a very fragile fighter that could never make it in the Ufc, not sure wtf dana is thinking on that guy, but back to my main point, Etim is a brilliant striker, only real weakness is his takedown defense, which led to both his losses against Rich Clemente and Gleison Tibau, no shame in that though because both of those guys have superb ground skills, basically both guys layed and prayed for 3 rounds, not like they were able to dominate him, as for Justin Buchholz I see him as a good fighter but nothing special, One indicator on how Justin will do against terry's standup is the corey hill fight, a long striker with good footwork and distance much like Etim, Corey was able to easily pick him apart on the feet, Etim will do the same and maybe even make it look easier, etim a much more fluid striker than corey hill, Corey did lose that fight but the guy had very little sub defense so he was choked out, only chance I give justin is if he can take Etim down, I do give him a strength advantage against etim but not by much, at least not enough to be able to hold etim down in the same fashion Rich Clemente and Gleison Tibau were able to
                                    Last edited by illmatick; 05-29-09, 06:59 AM.
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                                    • brooks85
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 01-05-09
                                      • 44709

                                      #19
                                      I havent thought about this fight in awhile. I thought they were fighting at 185...
                                      Last edited by brooks85; 05-29-09, 11:06 AM.
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                                      • Riot
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 04-16-09
                                        • 437

                                        #20
                                        eh lil matick .. becareful bro, Justin was a 3-1 underdog going into to corey fight. I was there and i think justin was at a slight disadvantage in the striking game, but he held his own given the reach advantage for corey. hes a good wrestler, he had Urijah Faber in his corner for the Hill fight, so i would have to look it up, but im assuming they train together .... i might mix it into a parlay, but there is no way i pay the juice on that one . Good luck !
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                                        • illmatick
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 01-05-09
                                          • 5451

                                          #21
                                          yeah he does train with faber, he held his own in the second round as far as striking, but was dominated in round one,Corey hill not even a good striker imo, way to loopy and his punches are weak, just has a huge height advantage so hes a bit hard to deal with but the guy will never cut it in the ufc, look up paul slappy williams in boxing, same deal, Etim's striking is on a whole nother level, you could make the case he is a top 5 striker in the UFC, Justin does have a wrestling background and that is the only reason this line isnt -300 or higher, very hard to do work in etim's guard so even if it goes there I could see the ref standing it up fairly quick,
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                                          • illmatick
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 01-05-09
                                            • 5451

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by illmatick
                                            have any of guys looked at the Terry Etim v Justin Buchholz matchup, Etim may be play of the night, -240 high price but this fight will be the closest thing to a lock on the entire fight card imo, not counting paul kelly, wtf is Rolando Delgado doing in the ufc, I remember him from tuf, striked me as a very fragile fighter that could never make it in the Ufc, not sure wtf dana is thinking on that guy, but back to my main point, Etim is a brilliant striker, only real weakness is his takedown defense, which led to both his losses against Rich Clemente and Gleison Tibau, no shame in that though because both of those guys have superb ground skills, basically both guys layed and prayed for 3 rounds, not like they were able to dominate him, as for Justin Buchholz I see him as a good fighter but nothing special, One indicator on how Justin will do against terry's standup is the corey hill fight, a long striker with good footwork and distance much like Etim, Corey was able to easily pick him apart on the feet, Etim will do the same and maybe even make it look easier, etim a much more fluid striker than corey hill, Corey did lose that fight but the guy had very little sub defense so he was choked out, only chance I give justin is if he can take Etim down, I do give him a strength advantage against etim but not by much, at least not enough to be able to hold etim down in the same fashion Rich Clemente and Gleison Tibau were able to
                                            Etim line jumped from -250 to -350
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                                            • Riot
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 04-16-09
                                              • 437

                                              #23
                                              Parlay !
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