Andrian Broner says MMA is not a REAL sport, I agree

[varkolek]

What he is saying is true. But that is pretty simple minded. I'm sure 20 years into boxing (perhaps bare knuckle) there were tough dudes who came off a bar stool to beat "champions". I doubt you would see Jon Jones type fast rises in MMA if it were over 100 years old. Not to mention the pay sucks so you are going to have less kids interested in becoming an MMA fighter, getting choke ****** for 5,000 bucks.

This could be true for bare knuckle, but I think gloved boxing was fairly refined from the beginning although the champions weren't much good due to racial segregation. Bob Fitzsimmons started his career in bare knuckle, and didn't have much skill but was champ, but apparently he used to get literally schooled in sparring and unofficial bouts by Peter Jackson. I think Peter Jackson couldn't get title shots due to his race. Joe Gans was also supposedly extremely good, basically a prototype of Joe Louis. And of course we know what happened when Jack Johnson got a title shot.

I'm not saying the difference in skill was due to race, but the champions had a luxury of not facing much real competition so there was probably a discrepancy in skill between black and white fighters at the time. Dempsey has admitted to ducking Sam Langford, and said he doubted he would have beat him at any point in his career.

[varkolek]

Can't wait til a legend in your sport (James Toney) steps in the octagon and loses in 2 minutes. LOL

David Haye was saying Toney was delusional leading up to that bout. Haye also said he had been cross training in mma, so he knew the of the difficulty involved, and said when he retires from boxing he'd like to move into mma.

But the strikers in mma are about as delusional as Toney. JDS has said with a few months training he could take the Klitchskos, and Overeem has said he wants to fight Vitali. It'd be a blood bath in either case, JDS is crude and Overeem can barely walk.

[MD]

The prevalence of boxing styles has more changed in waves, rather than evolved. Boxers who defend with a tighter guard may be less prevalent at the moment, but it's not because boxing technique has evolved absoloutely. There have also been many defensive techniques that have been almost lost. Hardly any boxers feint anymore. Ezzard Charles, George Benton, Eder Jofre, and Niccolino Locche were also more masterful with the use of angles than any active boxers, as older boxers generally I think generally were compared to active boxers. I'm not saying boxing skill has regressed, just that it hasn't evolved through athleticism. Considering UFC fighters are as strong and fit as boxers I'd think they use athleticism more. I can tell just from coming across highlights that that Canadian UFC guy uses athleticism to succeed.

I'm not really a fan of 'combat', no. I already spend too much time watching boxing, and think there are otherwise so many better things to do in life than find out what cagefighters are doing.

But this is a diversion I won't let you trap me into: there are way more than 10 times professional boxers than MMA fighters worldwide, and also many more times the viewership of boxing compared to MMA. There just isn't enough quantity there to fool anyone into thinking that the moderate success of the US-centric UFC gimmick that MMA puts all its promotional muscle into means MMA is even close to a properly established sport, which boxing still is.

I've never commented online about UFC before. I'm here for the tennis, and for the couple boxing threads. But before every really big boxing event UFC fans always have to come out in droves to bash boxing. Boxing fans or promoters don't do that before UFC events, because boxing doesn't see UFC as a threat, while UFC is so insecure about becoming the number 1 super awesome combat phenomenon that it needs to take every opportunity to bash boxing. Kind of suggests that it isn't actually as popular as it thinks it is.

I think it's a stretch to claim that UFC is not a properly established sport. It's certainly a sport, a sport that draws good money and ratings for major television networks.

It's also a stretch to claim that UFC fans insult boxing, while the opposite is not true. The logic behind why boxing fans don't insult UFC fans is also pretty bad. UFC fans are loud and obnoxious and claim that boxing doesn't represent actual fighting. Boxing fans are elitist and snobby and claim that UFC is unrefined, the strikers are terrible, it isn't as big as boxing, and that it doesn't have any major stars. Elitist boxing fans are more bountiful than boxing bashers, if anything. I always read the boxing threads and the MMA threads here, and I very rarely see anyone bashing boxing and saying that the UFC is better. It's the opposite, if anything.

[MD]

David Haye was saying Toney was delusional leading up to that bout. Haye also said he had been cross training in mma, so he knew the of the difficulty involved, and said when he retires from boxing he'd like to move into mma.

But the strikers in mma are about as delusional as Toney. JDS has said with a few months training he could take the Klitchskos, and Overeem has said he wants to fight Vitali. It'd be a blood bath in either case, JDS is crude and Overeem can barely walk.

I think that referring to JDS as "crude" is questionable, but you're 100% correct here. Overeem claiming that he could beat Vitali is about as silly as Tyson Fury thinking that he'd have even a 5% chance against Velasquez.

[snufflyjoe]

cant believe there is still such stupidity about combat sports from self proclaimed "sharps"

Let me break this down for you.

in a boxing match a proffesional boxer will more than likely defeat a proffesional mma fighter.
in a MMA match an mma fighter will more than likely defeat a proffesional boxer. This isnt news to any objective fan of combat sports

MMA Is as close to a complete combat sport that there is. Boxing is only a tiny component of combat. Again this isnt news to any objective an of combat sports.

I like both sports but my main interest is in Mma simply because i want to see who the best "fighter" is in the world not who is the best at one small component of fighting.

[Wanna Bet On It?]

And rap isn't music. No musician can master their craft in 2 years (and I use that term loosely, Adrian). People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

Anyone else think that Broner's appearance and high pitched voice remind them of Dodson? Yes, all black people look the same but he's like a slightly bigger manlet version.

On point, anyone who thinks Jon Jones became the UFC champ after 2 years of training is a penetrating retard. He was mastering various elements of his craft for years, namely Greco-Roman wrestling and was the JUCO champ before going pro. Wrestling was his base and refuge early in his career: see him toss Bonnar on his head over & over? See his piss poor boxing get saved by clinch work versus Gusmao? It took him a couple of years (and a bunch of YouTube videos) with Greg Jackson to learn the gamut of striking techniques for MMA. He still has holes. He also has holes in his BJJ, as TRT Vitor demonstrated. Regardless, his natural athleticism, fundamental elements of MMA (wrestling) which have been cultivated for years and his unsurpassed hunger & desire to learn made him the UFC's youngest & most dominant champ.


tl;dr: I know Sider is just clowning because he loves women chinky winky MMA fighters too much to be serious but for any casual boxing fans/gamblers hitting up the forum this week, you'd do well to read above about Jon Jones & MMA as a sport.

[Wanna Bet On It?]

Ugh, I feel ill taking time out of my (Internet) medical practice to waste it on the above rambling. I haven't had this much regret since my post-coital panic attack after a REALLY drunken night with Ma from honey boo boo fame.


I'm not posting for the rest of the month. At least. Unless it involves a banana dance for a BIGDAY play...

[Rubber Guard]

I always read the boxing threads and the MMA threads here, and I very rarely see anyone bashing boxing and saying that the UFC is better. It's the opposite, if anything.

It is Ironic that the guy brings this up when he is posting in a "Boxing star says MMA isn't a real Sport!" -And I agree with him, thread.

[Educ8d Degener8]

would rather stick my dick in aids than watch a fight like that

l o l

[Demonata]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/5/10/4318418/ufc-mma-vs-boxing-enough-already-tyson-fury-jon-jones