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  • Bread
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    • 03-16-08
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    #1
    UFC 94 Breaded
    Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.


    Win or lose, I will always remember UFC 94 as the event with no pink hamsters. Well, just one – Jake O’Brien – buried deep on the undercard. Does that count? No. So I’m left with a hamster-less pay-per-view with two of my most anticipated bouts of the year: GSP-Penn and Diaz-Guida. I say win or lose, but I really just mean win. I was undefeated on the last UFC with my wagers, and hoping that continues here.

    Georges St-Pierre -175
    BJ Penn +155

    The rematch of the decade headlines the evening. As most know, it was St-Pierre (17-2-0) winning that first meeting in 2006 via split decision. There were many questions that remained, the main one being “How long until the rematch?” Well look no further MMA fans, tonight is your night.

    Both come into this fight riding impressive win streaks. Penn (13-4-1) has disposed of Pulver (vengeful choke out), Stevenson (murderous choke out), and Sherk (straight beatdown). GSP has laid the smackdown on four straight: Koscheck (man vs. boy), Hughes (man vs. grandpa), Serra (vengeful whooping), and Fitch (any more questions?)

    Both fighters come in on top of their game and at the peak of their careers. Penn’s Jiu-Jitsu, boxing and wrestling skills, combined with his amazing flexibility, have him primed to take the belt from the champ. BJ Penn is a whack job, no doubt. That’s a good trait to have in a fighter. GSP has been dominating with his well-rounded game as well. Given the talent level of both fighters, one might be inclined to wager on Penn for the value. I have one problem with that.

    Penn has no respect for St-Pierre. He has been dogging him for some time. I realize that he has the chops to back up his nastiness, but why even go there? GSP is a champion, and conducts himself as one. Penn’s trash talking is going to come back to haunt him. The last guy to openly disrespect his upcoming opponent like this was Wanderlei Silva with “Rampage” Jackson. I was leaning towards GSP anyway. Penn’s behavior made my play even easier. Enjoy what could possibly be the fight of the year.


    I love this picture





    Lyoto Machida -270
    Thiago Silva +230

    Upset alert upset alert!! Rarely do you get two guys at this stage of their careers both undefeated. Identical 13-0-0 records clash and only one fighter shall remain unblemished. The UFC is high on Machida. He seems to get a lot of favorable coverage. He recently beat down Tito Ortiz like he was his little brother. That sounds great to the casual fan, but people who follow MMA know that Tito’s goose has been cooked for some time now.

    Silva is a beast. He is a well-rounded talent in his own right, and I feel that he has as good a chance, if not better, to take this match. At +230, I’m wondering what I’m missing. Machida being pushed as the next big thing? What else could it be? I’m not scared. I’m also jumping on a prop wager for Silva to win the fight inside the three rounds at +426 at 5dimes.

    Stephan Bonnar -165
    Jon Jones +145

    I’ve disliked Bonnar (14-4-0) ever since the first season of The Ultimate Fighter. I really have. My disdain has grown for this goofball every time he does something dopey. Whether it’s testing positive for veterinary horse steroids, or dubbing himself as the “American Psycho”, or listing his hero as Hugh Hefner, or describing his favorite technique as “the punch to the face”, or having a major role in what might be the worst movie ever filmed, it’s just all bad for this clown.






    Jon Jones (7-0-0) is a quick, athletic exciting fighter. He is 10 years younger than Bonnar. He’s undefeated and he’s hungry. So I’m all over him, right? Wrong. Everything about this fight SCREAMS for me to jump all over Jones. I lose those fights all the time. Jones’ day is coming, but the more experienced Bonnar will be able to pull out this one, mere months before he begins his inevitable soft porn career.

    Karo Parisyan -270
    Dong Hyun Kim +230

    The Armenian Cartel is in full swing as Parisyan (26-5-0) joins his cousin Manny Gamubryan on the UFC 94 card. Parisyan is no joke. His only UFC losses have come at the hands of GSP, Diego Sanchez and Thiago Alves. Dong Hyun Kim (11-0-1) is undefeated. To be honest with you, I could study styles and stats all night long, but for me, this fight comes down to this – the Armenian Cartel is far more impressive than the Asian Invasion in the UFC. I need to find some numbers on the records of Asian fighters. I know for a fact I make money betting against them, and I hope to do the same on this fight.


    Vic Mackey doesn’t like Armenians, but I do tonight





    OK, I admit, that was pretty weak reasoning. That’s why I am also betting on the fight to go the full three rounds at -215. In the UFC, Parisyan has had eight fights go to the judges, compared to just four early finishes. Kim is coming off a split decision victory over Matt Brown. He had a string of impressive KO’s while fighting in Japan, but the caliber of his opponents has been raised. The percentages favor a full three rounds, and this is my strong play for this fight.

    Nate Diaz -120
    Clay Guida +100

    Will tonight be the night? Are you out there, sweet justice? Sadness thy name be Gamburyan, Assuncao, Robinson, Pellegrino and Neer. I have been rooting and betting (and losing) against the cerebral wonder known as Nate Diaz (10-2-0) since we first met on the 5th season of TUF. Is it more personal than professional? Of course it is! I can’t stand this guy! Stick bug Nate has a great game plan. He endures a bit of a beating, ends up on his back, where his opponent will think they have the upper hand. That is when Nate “What did he say?” Diaz goes to work. He is more impressive on his back than Jenna Jameson - Tito and I both agree. These guys just need to learn to stay out of his spider web-like leg locks. Enter Clay Guida.


    In Guida I trust





    Guida (24-6-0) is one of my favorite fighters. He is exciting puts on good shows in the Octagon. The last time he fought a fighter I didn’t like (Mac Danzig) I actually was talked into betting against him. That didn’t work out well in my favor. Guida dominated Danzig and Bread learned a lesson. Never bet against one of your favorite fighters against a guy you can’t stand. If anything, just leave it alone. On this night, I will make back that loss and more. Because tonight is the night that it finally happens.

    I will leave you with this thought-provoking quote from Mr. Nate Diaz, contemplating his ensuing battle with Mr. Clay Guida. Enjoy.

    “He better put it on me if he wants to win he better…you know…he better go hard and, and finish hard and go hard if he want to do anything cause I got that pace too!”

    God bless you Nate Diaz.
    Last edited by Willie Bee; 01-30-09, 12:18 PM. Reason: add front page link
  • The HOFF
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    • 07-02-08
    • 4847

    #2
    So I was watching the trailer to "Ultimate Champion" and chuckled when I saw an African guy with long dreads fighting. I said jokingly, Sokoudjou makes a cameo! Then I actually saw it was Sokoudjou when he was shooting behind a tree and said to myself, oh how sad.

    Hoff loves The Shield.
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    • tsilvetti
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      • 01-26-09
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      #3
      Solid post there
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      • Bread
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 03-16-08
        • 23726

        #4
        Yep. Bonnar and Sokodjou. Hoff we really need to get together with an unlimited amount of beer and watch this cinematic abortion.
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        • Willie Bee
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          • 02-14-06
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          #5
          Talking with my buddy in Houston about this one, and he tells me that because of the crowd they're expecting at the Houston westside bar Frank-n-Steins, he's planning on getting there around 3-4 (Central) even though it doesn't even start on TV until 9 local time There are going to be some drunk sons a' bitches at that bar.
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          • themajormt
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            • 07-30-08
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            #6
            LOVE the Silva pick Bread... GL!
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            • pavyracer
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              • 04-12-07
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              #7
              These are solid matchups Bread. I may put some change on BJ and Dong.
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              • Bread
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                • 03-16-08
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                #8
                Don't fade me Pavy...and if you do, stay away from the Asian!

                Willie...sounds like there could be 4.7 brawls at that bar before the first fight even starts.
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                • raydog
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                  • 11-07-07
                  • 6984

                  #9
                  i dont like the idea of bj putting on weight. gsp too strong and his relentless gnp will win this fight for him. i might think differently if gsp dropped some weight to fight but this isnt the case. gsp for me. nice write ups breadman
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                  • Bread
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                    #10
                    Thanks Raydog. Honestly, if I lose all of my fights but one, I will be happy if it's Guida over that whiny bitch Nate Diaz.

                    Please dear lord...please.....
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                    • raydog
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                      #11
                      glad im not the only one who hates those fukking diaz punks
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                      • Bread
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                        • 03-16-08
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                        #12
                        I'm betting everything on Guida. I'll bet my couch. I don't care. I'm going to be homeless if Guida loses.
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                        • poetwarrior41
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 06-20-08
                          • 963

                          #13
                          Outstanding write up on the fights Bread, but i got a disagree with you on a few of your selections. I am going to be all over BJ Penn and Nate Diaz.

                          I think BJ Penn wants this fight bad, and when he is on his game he is nearly unbeatable, i got to take the live dog in this spot. I have mad respect for GSP and if he is fighting anybody else, i would be all over him, but not in this spot.

                          I have cashed alot of tickets on Nate Diaz, and the antics that he and his brother cause before and after the fight are worth the price of admission in my book. Nate is the kind of kid that gets under his opponents skin so bad, that he takes them out of their game, and then Diaz catches them in a mistake and he finishes them.

                          I am expecting BJ to be 'flashing' the 'hang loose' Hawaii sign after his victory and the Diaz brothers to be 'flashing' the Stockton gang 'signs' after his victory. Im very pumped up for Saturday night!

                          BJ Penn +155
                          Nate Diaz -120
                          Thiago Silva +230
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                          • poetwarrior41
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                            • 06-20-08
                            • 963

                            #14
                            Originally posted by raydog
                            glad im not the only one who hates those fukking diaz punks
                            I love the Diaz Brothers they are the new "first family" of MMA, i just need Dana White and Nick Diaz to 'kiss and make up" so we can start seeing Nick knocking out fools on the big stage once again.
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                            • Bread
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                              #15
                              Ug...against me on my 2 biggest fights.

                              He has to annoy his opponents because he annoys the piss out of me just watching.
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                              • poetwarrior41
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                                • 06-20-08
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                                #16
                                Here you go Bread, this should get the 'blood boiling'!
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                                • Bread
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                                  #17
                                  Yep and sure enough, there is little brother Nate right behind him.

                                  I just punched a coworker. I'm livid.
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                                  • raydog
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                                    • 11-07-07
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                                    #18
                                    how much bigger you think gsp will be when they get in the cage? 10-15lbs
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                                    • poetwarrior41
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                                      • 06-20-08
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                                      #19
                                      If any of you guys missed the 3 part UFC Prime Time on the Penn VS GSP shows leading up to the fight, you can watch them here, they were outstanding!
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                                      • chikenkiwi2
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                                        • 07-16-08
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                                        #20
                                        kokk boi bonnar was sporting some nice gyno at the weigh in.
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                                        • The HOFF
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by raydog
                                          how much bigger you think gsp will be when they get in the cage? 10-15lbs
                                          BJ just weighed in at 168. GSP was 170 and they said he would be in the cage about 185.
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                                          • raydog
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                                            • 11-07-07
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                                            #22
                                            too big. gonna be 15-20lbs bigger. thats huge. i know bj is probably the best sub guy of the 2 but i dont see gsp getting suckered. ground and pound to a stoppage is my opinion.
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                                            • poetwarrior41
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                                              • 06-20-08
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                                              #23
                                              - UFC line-up and weigh-ins for tonight:
                                              1. Matt Arroyo (3-2, 171) vs. Dan Cramer (0-0, 171)
                                              2. Jake O'Brien (10-2, 205) vs. Christian Wellisch (9-3, 206)
                                              3. Chris Wilson (13-4, 170) vs. John Howard (10-4, 171)
                                              4. Thiago Tavares (17-3, 155) vs. Manvel Gamburyan (10-4, 155)
                                              5. Jon Fitch (21-3, 171) vs. Akihiro Gono (28-13-7, 171) weighing in with large Afro wig
                                              6. Stephan Bonnar (14-4, 206) vs. Jon Jones (7-0, 206)
                                              7. Nate Diaz (10-2, 156) vs. Clay Guida (24-6, 156)
                                              8. Karo Parisyan (26-5, 170) vs. Dong Hyun Kim (11-0-1, 171)
                                              9. Lyoto Machida (13-0, 206) vs. Thiago Silva (13-0, 206)
                                              10. Georges St. Pierre (17-2, 170) vs. B.J. Penn (13-4-1, 168) for the UFC welterweight title
                                              -- Almost no news of note from the weigh-ins. BJ weighing in at 168 suggests he'll go into the Octagon at no more than 175 pounds, and St. Pierre at 170 was absolutely tiny, meaning he'll probably go in close to 185 or perhaps more. That's a significant weight difference right there. St. Pierre remains the betting favorite. Penn has vowed to win via submission. The show is completely sold out and they're opening up closed circuit locations around Vegas, and Dana White is expecting this to be the biggest UFC PPV of all time. If it breaks 1 million buys, which most expect, it will be the third UFC show to do that in the last three months, which is pretty incredible given the economy.
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                                              • Bread
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                                                • 03-16-08
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                                                #24
                                                No undercard plays for me tonight so I don't have to worry about reading early results before I see them! YAY!
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                                                • pavyracer
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                                                  #25
                                                  My neighbor invited me to watch this shit tonight bread. They will get the PPV. I'm studying your write ups right now so I wouldn't sound stupid when I watch.
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                                                  • j0hnnyv
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                                                    #26
                                                    its gonna be sick pavy enjoy it.
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                                                    • Bread
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                                                      #27
                                                      There you go Pavy...you picked a good one to check out. Print out my picks and you'll sound like a real winner in front of your friends.
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                                                      • freeVICK
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                                                        • 01-21-08
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                                                        #28
                                                        penn 2nd round TKO
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                                                        • RumpledForeskin
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                                                          • 452

                                                          #29
                                                          I'm actually pretty pumped about this one, ordered UFC for the 1st time on PPV. Not sure if I am betting anything, got completely burried today. But I prolly will
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                                                          • Skanless1
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 11-15-08
                                                            • 706

                                                            #30
                                                            i actually work in nate diaz's hometown (stockton)... he's definitely a prick, but has skills... question is whether he can weather guida's tenacious pace, not take any major damage, and get guida to the ground... if he gets guida to the ground... watch out. though he is an a-hole like his bro., dude's got ground skills!

                                                            as far as the main event: it's a toss up.. not sure if i'm putting anything on it.

                                                            i think lyota (or however the F his name is spelled) probably wins this one like EVERY OTHER of his boring-ass fights... by decision after running most of the fight.
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                                                            • Bread
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                                                              #31
                                                              RF...I went a little crazy on Thiago. Let's doodiss!!!
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                                                              • poetwarrior41
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 06-20-08
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                                                                #32
                                                                Matt Arroyo vs. Dan Cramer in a battle of Ultimate Fighter alumni opens the show.
                                                                Arroyo tried a takedown, easily blocked. Arroyo reversed a takedown attempt and is on top. Reverse by Cramer but Arroyo going for an armbar from the bottom. Cramer escaped. Arroyo with some elbows from the bottom. Cramer with two good elbows from the top. Arroyo working for a triangle although not close. Cramer with a few more punches from the top, most blocked. Cramer throwing more punches mostly blocked. Arroyo going for an armbar. Time running out. Arroyo still blocking most of the punches. Cramer will probably win the round, but he shouldn't because almost all the punches were blocked, Arroyo tried the subs and connected some from the bottom.
                                                                Arroyo pulled guard to start round two. Cramer throwing more punches that aren't connecting. Fans booed Arroyo for staying on his back as Cramer got up. Cramer jumped back down to the top position. Ref Steve Mazzagatti warning the guys. Cramer connected with a solid elbow which was the only real telling blow of the fight so far. Nothing much happened. Cramer won the round so I have it even but I'm pretty sure the judges have it 20-18 for Arroyo, who has risked giving away the fight by staying on his back. Dull round.
                                                                Arroyo opened getting the takedown and now Cramer is using a rubber guard. Arroyo got his back and working for a choke. He's close to finishing. Cramer escaped. Arroyo back to the choke attempt. Cramer turned and got on top. Cramer throwing a lot, most blocked. This is an easy crowd as they are cheering every movement. Place is also 80% full already. Mazzagatti ordered a stand-up. Arroyo has some nasty swelling on the left side of his face from that second round elbow. Cramer took him down and fire some punches. Arroyo trying for a triangle but not getting close. Time running out and Cramer is going to get the decision. I'd have it 29-28 but I'll predict 30-27 across the board.
                                                                Split decision 29-28, 28-29, 29-28 for Cramer. All three judges gave Arroyo the first round. Very rare for a guy to win a round on his back. Dull fight. Doubt you'll be seeing this on the PPV.
                                                                Jake O'Brien vs. Christian Wellisch
                                                                O'Brien took the first round 10-9. He decked Wellisch early and then was on top most of the round.
                                                                Wellisch came out to Boy George's "Do you really want to hurt me?"
                                                                O'Brien got a takedown in the second round. Wellisch has bloody nose. O'Brien is targeting it. O'Brien with a second takedown. Wellisch back at the end of the round. O'Brien's round.
                                                                Trading, Wellisch getting the better of it. Another takedown by O'Brien. Wellisch's nose looks like hell. Wellisch starting to tag him. Another takedown by O'Brien. Wellisch getting the better of the tanding and moving forward. Nice counter by O'Brien. Body kick by Wellisch. Another takedown by O'Brien. He let him up right away. Another takedown by O'Brien. Wellisch escaped. He sprawled from O'Brien's takedown attempt with a few seconds left. I have it 29-28 for O'Brien. Not much of a fight here either.
                                                                29-28 Wellisch, 29-28 O'Brien and 29-28 for O'Brien.
                                                                Chris Wilson vs. John Howard is next.
                                                                Another split decision 29-28, 28-29 and 29-28 for Howard. Don't know if they are going to give a best decision bonus. Three close rounds but I had Howard taking rounds two and three. Wilson put Howard down in round one with a low kick and Howard did the same in the second round. Howard got Wilson's back in the third round with a body triangle and held him for much of the third round working for a choke. He never came close. Crowd liked the fight.
                                                                Lots of GSP and B.J. Penn chants back-and-forth.
                                                                Thiago Tavares vs. Manvel Gamburyan is up now.
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                                                                • poetwarrior41
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 06-20-08
                                                                  • 963

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Thiago Tavares vs. Manvel Gamburyan is up now.
                                                                  Takedown by Tavares. Gamburyan is giving away a lot of size here. Tavares lookis to have gained a lot since weigh-ins. looks 175 to me,and Gamburyan not so much, looks 158 ish. Tavares with a lot of punches connecting. Gamburyan went for a straight armbar. Tavares spun out and is back on top. Great judo throw by Gamburyan but Tarvares held onto the position. Gamburyan connected late. Crowd cheered both. 10-9 Tavares.
                                                                  More GSP chants. Gamburyan with a high kick. Gamburyan swinging wildly. Tavares tried a takedown but Gamburyan ended up on top. Some body shots by Gamburan on top. Gamburyan quickly went for a heel hook, Tavares pulled out and Gamburyan is back on top in guard. Gamburyan with a hard elbow. Ref Josh Rosenthal stood them up as Gamburyan was throwing a punch. That was weird. Wicked punch by Tavares and a takedown makes the wrong close but I'll go 10-9 Gamburyan.
                                                                  Thrid round all stand-up. Tavares rocked Gamburyan with a punch. Some trading. Gamburyan with an attempted takedown. Tavares threw a hard punch off the takedown attempt. Gamburyan aback with a punch and a takedown attempt but didn't get it. I've got 29-28 Tavares.
                                                                  29-28 for Tavares across the board.
                                                                  The last two fights were good.
                                                                  Jon Fitch vs. Akihiro Gono is next in our night of decisions.
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