KSW 23 (June 08, 2013)

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

Unibet odds:

Mamed Khalidov -1250
Melvin Manhoef +575


Mariusz Pudzianowski -275
Sean McCorkle +190


Michal Materla -500
Kendall Grove +315

Aslambek Saidov -835
Ben Lagman +450

Karolina Kowalkiewicz -225
Marta Chojnoska +155

Mateusz Piskorz -590
Luiz Ricardo Simon +325

Mateusz Zawadzki +145
Mateusz Gamrot -210

these odds not out at 5dimes or bookmaker yet, but if you have access to unibet you can these fight now. I'm fading the polish guys here, Sean McCorkle +190 and Melvin Manhoef +575, odds are way to high to pass even if they are fighting against hometown guys

[PunisherIND]

ksw not imprez with 3 silvas on one card. 3 mateuszez for the win!

[goodfellas433]

I'm convinced they do it just to screw up my props/parlays

[mirinquads]

Think McCorkle has been payed off? Cus he should trash the Strong man handily if not.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

McCorkle sucks too, he has lost 3 straight, but at 2 to 1 on your money i'm going with him

[MD]

I'm going to pretend to be betting on Ben Lagman so that when he loses, I can say "feels lag, man".

That said, McCorkle is money here.

[Educ8d Degener8]

ksw not imprez with 3 silvas on one card. 3 mateuszez for the win!

LOL... And two in one bout!

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

anyone else think McCorkles last fight vs Ishii was worked, no big punches landed and he didn't even try to avoid that sub

took the fall in Japan, maybe same thing gonna happen in Poland against Pudz

[mirinquads]

Thats what im worried about. And i saw some preweighin pictures, and it seemed like he didnt even bother cutting weight. Looked fat as penetrate.

[PunisherIND]

I'm going to pretend to be betting on Ben Lagman so that when he loses, I can say "feels lag, man".

That said, McCorkle is money here.

this is going way back, but weren't you the one who said a strongman would beat pretty much anyone in the world in a fist fight?

[MD]

this is going way back, but weren't you the one who said a strongman would beat pretty much anyone in the world in a fist fight?

Yes, I believe that a top-tier strongman would beat the vast majority of people in a fight most of the time. Not really applicable here as there are weight classes, and it's an MMA fight, not an actual fight. Part of my argument was the ridiculous size edge a strongman would have on almost everyone.

[PunisherIND]

Yes, I believe that a top-tier strongman would beat the vast majority of people in a fight most of the time. Not really applicable here as there are weight classes, and it's an MMA fight, not an actual fight. Part of my argument was the ridiculous size edge a strongman would have on almost everyone.

just busting yer chops.

[MD]

just busting yer chops.

I know bro, fear not.

Da haterz will be along to disagree with me shortly enough.

Also, that Khalidov line is insane. Seriously contemplating a Manhoef play.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

[Crassus]

Also, that Khalidov line is insane. Seriously contemplating a Manhoef play.

Edit: wrong line.

I think -530 is a good line for Khalidov.

[hobbesITD]

KSW has a long history of fixing fights. McCorkle is fighting against a stacked deck.

[Crassus]

KSW has a long history of fixing fights. McCorkle is fighting against a stacked deck.

which ones were fixed?

[MD]

which ones were fixed?

Which ones weren't fixed?

[hobbesITD]

which ones were fixed?

KSW 17 Pudz/Thompson was particularly blatant.

[Crassus]

KSW 17 Pudz/Thompson was particularly blatant.

crazy decision sure, but that doesn't mean it's fixed.

[MD]

crazy decision sure, but that doesn't mean it's fixed.

"Fixed" doesn't necessarily mean one fighter was paid to take a dive. I'd define it as a fight in which the promoters, officials, or sanctioning bodies have in some way unfairly stacked the odds in the favour of one competitor.

[Crassus]

"Fixed" doesn't necessarily mean one fighter was paid to take a dive. I'd define it as a fight in which the promoters, officials, or sanctioning bodies have in some way unfairly stacked the odds in the favour of one competitor.

I really doubt KSW paid the judges, it'd be such bad press if they got caught and they're the biggest promotion in Poland and have been around a good long time. Long before Pudz came to MMA, they're not gonna risk all that they'd built just for him.

[MD]

I really doubt KSW paid the judges, it'd be such bad press if they got caught and they're the biggest promotion in Poland and have been around a good long time. Long before Pudz came to MMA, they're not gonna risk all that they'd built just for him.

Did you see the fight? You're insane if you think that was just straight-up bad judging. None of them were related to Pudzianowski, so the only possible explanations are that someone paid them or that they really, really like Pudzian. Incompetence isn't a viable excuse.

[hobbesITD]

I really doubt KSW paid the judges, it'd be such bad press if they got caught and they're the biggest promotion in Poland and have been around a good long time. Long before Pudz came to MMA, they're not gonna risk all that they'd built just for him.

Poland doesn't have an athletic commission. KSW literally pays the judges.

[Crassus]

Did you see the fight? You're insane if you think that was just straight-up bad judging. None of them were related to Pudzianowski, so the only possible explanations are that someone paid them or that they really, really like Pudzian. Incompetence isn't a viable excuse.

Just watched the fight and it was a terrible decision and definitely was impacted by Pudz stardom and the expectation of his victory, but I doubt KSW actively sought for it to happen. I don't know, I've watched my fair amount of KSW, a while before Pudz was an MMA guy and I just don't buy that KSW is an active fixer of fights.

Granted, I didn't know that about Polands athletic commission, that's pretty crazy.

[The iron sheik]

I'm not betting this stuff because I don't trust it's "fair", they like their Pudzilla as discussed before in this thread. Whatever the case is, from what I understand is that McCorkle should be renamed Fatty McButtertitties after the weigh in, saw the figures and the dude was over 300 pounds. Sheesh. Seems unmotivated and seeing the Ishii fight, perhaps the fix is on.

[Crassus]

Paid for the stream and it's penetrating broken. So pissed. Anyone got an illegal stream?

[NunyaBidness]

http://www.vipboxonline.eu/boxing/158859/1/mma---gdansk-live-stream-online.html

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

McCorkle sucks too, he has lost 3 straight, but at 2 to 1 on your money i'm going with him