1. 08-03-14 12:15 PM #1
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    Any experience with Premium Tradings? Anyone using Premium Tradings? (Agent/Broker)

    Anyone using Premium Tradings?

    They're a broker service like Asian Connect. All feedbacks are welcome, Thanks.
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  2. 08-03-14 06:20 PM #2
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    I think they charge fees for deposit + withdraw which negates the benefit of using an agent.
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  3. 08-03-14 09:11 PM #3
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    Never go through third-party to gamble

    Just a lot of hassles
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  4. 08-03-14 10:58 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Never go through third-party to gamble

    Just a lot of hassles
    As someone who has never used a broker before but is STRONGLY considering it, this is an ignorant statement to say the least. For professional gamblers, there are a multitude of reasons why they'd be needed.
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  5. 08-03-14 11:19 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Never go through third-party to gamble

    Just a lot of hassles
    Summer Fill in JJ
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  6. 08-04-14 02:08 AM #6
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    JJ finally pivoted on Bitcoin about which he knows nothing, so he'll do the same on brokers based on nothing but the passage of time and his exhaustion at holding an empty position.
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  7. 08-04-14 02:11 AM #7
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    Sawyer I wish I could tell you more about Premium Tradings...I've heard them called one of the big three, and the newest one I think. Isn't that the one where you don't have to bother with a VPN?

    About the all important trust issue, though, I'm in the same boat you are. Strongly tempted, but with some reservation.
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  8. 08-04-14 03:43 AM #8
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    I'm using Asian Connect Broker Service at the moment, happy with them so far but had some problems recently (they disabled person-to-person transfers so had some problems with neteller), I heard about PremiumTradings and wanted to check.

    Asian Connect gives %0.1 cashback based on your turnover (if your turnover is 200k/month above) and higher limits then ordinary pinnacle account. I heard about PT provides a tool called goalbet, lets you see all odds in one bookie. Timing is important in arbitrage/trading so it can be handy. I heard about they give generous cashback bonus (comission) on traders with high volume (300k+/month) but didn't had any experience with them yet. Some friends of mine signed up, so I guess I will wait for their feedback.
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  9. 08-04-14 08:47 AM #9
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    I hope you keep us updated about yours and your friends experience Sawyer.
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  10. 08-04-14 10:58 AM #10
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    Load of info about premiumtradings ****** I m sure that Sawyer already knows this link.
    Premiumtrading is an agent operating like Asianconnect88. You get almost the same services and bookmakers. Asianconnect88 is an older and established agent. Premiumtradings is new, looking for a bigger part of the pie.
    US and Israeli clients are excluded so dont bother asking.
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  11. 08-04-14 03:14 PM #11
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    I've never used but have been looking into these brokers lately. From other thread they say it is operated by the Bellona N.V. group under license 8048/JAZ in curacao. There are 100's of casinos operating under that license, 1bet.com is directly run by the Bellona N.V. group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyer View Post
    I'm using Asian Connect Broker Service at the moment, happy with them so far but had some problems recently (they disabled person-to-person transfers so had some problems with neteller), I heard about PremiumTradings and wanted to check.

    Asian Connect gives %0.1 cashback based on your turnover (if your turnover is 200k/month above) and higher limits then ordinary pinnacle account. I heard about PT provides a tool called goalbet, lets you see all odds in one bookie. Timing is important in arbitrage/trading so it can be handy. I heard about they give generous cashback bonus (comission) on traders with high volume (300k+/month) but didn't had any experience with them yet. Some friends of mine signed up, so I guess I will wait for their feedback.
    Does this mean you can bet with Pinnacle with them? If you live in the USA?
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  13. 08-04-14 03:34 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by ouzoun View Post
    US and Israeli clients are excluded so dont bother asking.
    I thought the whole point was for americans to place bets at pinnacle. Who plays with premium tradings if they don't allow US clients?
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  14. 08-05-14 04:06 AM #14
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    The rest of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ouzoun View Post
    The rest of the world.
    In my experience, many Yanks struggle with that concept.
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  16. 08-05-14 05:02 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by bisme View Post
    I thought the whole point was for americans to place bets at pinnacle. Who plays with premium tradings if they don't allow US clients?
    People who want to move money between supported books without fees.

    And don't want to deal with multiple Asian bookmakers directly.

    And like cashback on turnover incentive deals.

    Some of their books only work through agents too.
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  17. 08-05-14 09:15 AM #17
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    These broker services/agents provide you higher limits then an ordinary pinnacle account. Not to mention, you get a cashback comission based on your turnover. There's other bonus benefits also based on your deal. Aasian books/pinnacle are restricted in some countries (Netherlands, France, Spain, Turkey for example), if you're living in one of these countries these broker services is your best bet.
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  18. 08-09-14 11:48 AM #18
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    neteller fees and deposit withdrawal commissions are negative sides for now
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  19. 08-10-14 04:03 PM #19
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    I do not know much about agents but if you are able to deposit to books yourself, what are the advantages of using agents?
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  20. 08-11-14 02:43 PM #20
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    You do not need broker services in your Europe

    It makes no sense
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  21. 08-11-14 03:14 PM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    You do not need broker services in your Europe

    It makes no sense
    Pretty ignorant summation of the issue.
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  22. 08-11-14 05:12 PM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMGRandyJackson View Post
    I do not know much about agents but if you are able to deposit to books yourself, what are the advantages of using agents?
    + Cashback bonus based on your turnover, usually %0.1 or %0.15. (A Good bonus if you're an arber, it means 600-700€ extra profit every month)
    + Higher limits.
    + There was 0.1 better odds bonus in the past but it's not available in today's broker services I guess.
    + Useful softwares like goalbet and asianodds. (Lets you pick best odds between 8-9 books with a single tick)
    + Reduced betfair comission.
    + And Higher limits.
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  23. 08-12-14 08:53 AM #23
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    I think asianodds is not working now
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  24. 08-18-14 06:21 PM #24
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    On their sign-up page, they allow US accounts to sign up. They also take Bitcoin. I am going to look into this further.
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  25. 08-19-14 03:23 PM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyer View Post
    + Cashback bonus based on your turnover, usually %0.1 or %0.15. (A Good bonus if you're an arber, it means 600-700€ extra profit every month)
    + Higher limits.
    + There was 0.1 better odds bonus in the past but it's not available in today's broker services I guess.
    + Useful softwares like goalbet and asianodds. (Lets you pick best odds between 8-9 books with a single tick)
    + Reduced betfair comission.
    + And Higher limits.
    What agents offer betfair? Not seeing it offered on premium tradings.

    I do see premium tradings talking about betfair on their twitter, so I guess it must be offered. Just didn't see it on their website as an option.
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  26. 08-19-14 03:24 PM #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_quant99 View Post
    On their sign-up page, they allow US accounts to sign up. They also take Bitcoin. I am going to look into this further.
    I live chatted with premium tradings, and they said they do NOT take U.S. customers. Maybe you can register, but they won't take you as a client.

    Unfortunately for us.
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  27. 08-19-14 03:32 PM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478 View Post
    I live chatted with premium tradings, and they said they do NOT take U.S. customers. Maybe you can register, but they won't take you as a client. Unfortunately for us.
    Darn! good to know, thanks ..... time to set-up an apartment in Montreal for me to be able to get onto Pinnacle

    I wish some of these Bitcoin books would get their act together - huge riches for the first big Bitcoin sportsbook that allows peer-to-peer matching
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  28. 08-19-14 03:39 PM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_quant99 View Post
    Darn! good to know, thanks ..... time to set-up an apartment in Montreal for me to be able to get onto Pinnacle

    I wish some of these Bitcoin books would get their act together - huge riches for the first big Bitcoin sportsbook that allows peer-to-peer matching
    Asian connect told they don't take U.S. clients UNLESS you use bitcoin as a payment method. So maybe there is a way to do this through premium tradings as well. I am new to brokers/bitcoin but I am interesting in learning whatever it takes.
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  29. 08-19-14 04:05 PM #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478 View Post
    Asian connect told they don't take U.S. clients UNLESS you use bitcoin as a payment method. So maybe there is a way to do this through premium tradings as well. I am new to brokers/bitcoin but I am interesting in learning whatever it takes.
    Good to know, thanks! I am actually more interested in doing this with Bitcoin anyway. I am going to register, thanks!
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  30. 08-19-14 04:45 PM #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478 View Post
    Asian connect told they don't take U.S. clients UNLESS you use bitcoin as a payment method. So maybe there is a way to do this through premium tradings as well. I am new to brokers/bitcoin but I am interesting in learning whatever it takes.
    I just live chatted with both AsianConnect88 and Premium Tradings. PremiumTradings does not take US customers, period.

    AsianConnect88 does take US customers if you use bitcoin. They have a 1X rollover requirement, and then do instant payouts after each bet is graded. They have no limits on winning players. That's what they said, not sure if it's true.
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  31. 08-19-14 04:56 PM #31
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    Asian Connect doesn't limit of winning players. Pinnacle does.
    They decrease max bet limit of winning players in order to take their reference to shape odds. If you're a losing player, then they give you very high limits so you can't change/effect lines easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_quant99 View Post
    They have a 1X rollover requirement, and then do instant payouts after each bet is graded.
    By instant payouts do you mean that they send winnings to your bitcoin address after a 1x rollover?

    They told me just a couple of weeks ago that they zero out the account each month. So this is a change. Can anyone confirm it?

    If they're now cashing out each winning bet that's awesome news. I guess when you're losses catch up to you you redeposit, and do the 1X rollover thing again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookie View Post
    By instant payouts do you mean that they send winnings to your bitcoin address after a 1x rollover?

    They told me just a couple of weeks ago that they zero out the account each month. So this is a change. Can anyone confirm it?

    If they're now cashing out each winning bet that's awesome news. I guess when you're losses catch up to you you redeposit, and do the 1X rollover thing again?
    Yes. I live chatted with them, and got into the details. They said first payout occurs after 1. 1X rollover and 2. a verification ... and then after that, payouts whenever you want them in BTC. Seems too good to be true.
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  34. 08-20-14 01:39 AM #34
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    PremiumTradings is brand new. Asianconnect requires personal information for withdrawals so US players are banned unless you have someone outside of the US with ID that is willing to collect.
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  35. 08-20-14 01:42 AM #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_quant99 View Post
    I just live chatted with both AsianConnect88 and Premium Tradings. PremiumTradings does not take US customers, period.

    AsianConnect88 does take US customers if you use bitcoin. They have a 1X rollover requirement, and then do instant payouts after each bet is graded. They have no limits on winning players. That's what they said, not sure if it's true.
    You can use a VPN to get into bitcoin books that don't accept players from the US. As long as they don't require personal information for withdrawals, you are OK.
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