Will you contine to use Pinnacle?

Originally Posted by Bill Dozer

This really impacts the guy who wants to get in for 20k, make one bet, and get out. Pinny likes the market traders just fine but cant be moving it in and out every time the guy spots a 20k scalp. The player can still do it but they don't want to pay his Skrill or eWhateverwallet and they decided they don't have to. Pinny doesn't want to pay fees because a player doesnt have confidence to keep a balance in or pay extra fees to keep a traders money liquid because they dont have enough to hold balances at all their outs. It's not to keep player money, its to keep from paying to move back and fourth.

When you get a cash bonus at any -110 book its a form of discount off the vig and usually there so you try it out. If the player likes the book during the rollover period he stays and 'rolls' balance over more because he wants to. 95% of Pinny players like the pricing and keep a balance in. The other 5% are not "rolling" anything and are in and out because they can. Most of that 5% is expected to adjust their habits. This is similar to a bonus change.

The effect of this are not good for player. It's going to suck for some but this in itself doesn't make Pinnacle weaker or lesser of a book. They look at it as money saved paying the hoppers keep the margins lower for the loyal regular guys.

If those % are accurate then it makes sense.

Originally Posted by lecubs28

LOYALTY! Bill this isn't your neighborhood grocery store around the corner. There is no such thing as loyalty in the world of online bookies. How about your good buddy Bet Islands Jon? How did loyalty pay off there? Or Lenny?

Pinnacle is a faceless company in Curacao, if they think I'm going to keep 5 figures in my account out of "loyalty" then they're in for a surprise.

You seem to have a lot of issues/dislike for a lot of books.

Just saying.

Originally Posted by cloverfield

You seem to have a lot of issues/dislike for a lot of books.

Just saying.

it's just common sense that you wouldn't leave $15,000 in an online bookie account if you can't name one person at the head of the organization. way too shady. if you are betting 15k a day, then okay, maybe, but for people that deposit once, win a big bet, and want to withdraw some of their money, it's stupid to have a 5x rollover.

They can do whatever they want, but they need to tell the client when he deposits money the rules to take the money out. Not just make a rule and see who they can screw. If you know this upfront then the choice is yours.

As for their claim of low juice, for major events yes. But live lines and smaller sports no. Again, let the customer decide by pointing out your withdrawal rules. Not hide them under rule 30A or whatever it is. Before you accept a deposit you should tell the client this 3% rule and let him choose.

Can't wait to see the end result to this. Doesn't look good.

I will expose another thing that most people on this board have no idea that Pinnacle does. When you make a parlay on ANY sport the line is adjusted against you no matter which side you play in the parlay. Anyone with an account there can see this by going to straight lines on any sport and making a notation of the numbers, then to go Parlay and see the difference. They are clipping you good on this one.

But hey, they are a low juice book so it is OK.

Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick

They can do whatever they want, but they need to tell the client when he deposits money the rules to take the money out. Not just make a rule and see who they can screw. If you know this upfront then the choice is yours.

As for their claim of low juice, for major events yes. But live lines and smaller sports no. Again, let the customer decide by pointing out your withdrawal rules. Not hide them under rule 30A or whatever it is. Before you accept a deposit you should tell the client this 3% rule and let him choose.

They can justify the change but they really can't justify the way they did it. Totally unprofessional and way too shady as someone described it. Sharps won't mind, though. They'll keep betting, it won't affect them, business as usual.

Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick

I will expose another thing that most people on this board have no idea that Pinnacle does. When you make a parlay on ANY sport the line is adjusted against you no matter which side you play in the parlay. Anyone with an account there can see this by going to straight lines on any sport and making a notation of the numbers, then to go Parlay and see the difference. They are clipping you good on this one.

But hey, they are a low juice book so it is OK.

Wow. I did not know about this one. Sounds like classic "dirty" offshore bookkeeping.

Can anyone confirm that BI john is not a good friend of pinny owners? just kidding... but you never know...

Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick

I will expose another thing that most people on this board have no idea that Pinnacle does. When you make a parlay on ANY sport the line is adjusted against you no matter which side you play in the parlay. Anyone with an account there can see this by going to straight lines on any sport and making a notation of the numbers, then to go Parlay and see the difference. They are clipping you good on this one.

But hey, they are a low juice book so it is OK.

yes, I discovered that years ago and have questioned them about it as I know some books offer enhanced odds to encourage parlay taking

but in reality Pinnacle's parlay odds still beat the opposition more often than not so I don't have too much of a problem with it ... not that I'm a parlay taker very often anyway

Originally Posted by allin1

They can justify the change but they really can't justify the way they did it. Totally unprofessional and way too shady as someone described it. Sharps won't mind, though. They'll keep betting, it won't affect them, business as usual.

They could have rolled it out better. I havent seen anyone who wanted in and out in April that has been burned by it. As we can see from the thread, exceptions are being made for at least some players who said they werent aware.

Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick

They can do whatever they want, but they need to tell the client when he deposits money the rules to take the money out. Not just make a rule and see who they can screw. If you know this upfront then the choice is yours.

Agree. I would expect they will update that.

Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick

I will expose another thing that most people on this board have no idea that Pinnacle does. When you make a parlay on ANY sport the line is adjusted against you no matter which side you play in the parlay. Anyone with an account there can see this by going to straight lines on any sport and making a notation of the numbers, then to go Parlay and see the difference. They are clipping you good on this one.
But hey, they are a low juice book so it is OK.

BD, Pinnacle books exotics at -110. No reduced juice on parlays. Is that what you are seein?

	Philadelphia Phillies C. Lee	-1.5 +180	-122 C. Lee must start	Under 7.5 -125
Thu 4/10	907	New York Mets J. Mejia	+1.5 -184	+119 J. Mejia must start	Over 7.5 -104
04:10 PM	908	Atlanta Braves D. Hale	-1.5 +162	-135

Milwaukee Brewers M. Estrada			+111 M. Estrada must start
04:05 PM	906	Philadelphia Phillies C. Lee			-120 C. Lee must start
Live!
Thu 4/10	907	New York Mets J. Mejia			+122 J. Mejia must start
04:10 PM	908	Atlanta Braves D. Hale			-132

FIRST IS PARLAY SECOND IS STRAIGHT See what I mean? -120 on Phila str. -122 Parlay
-132 At. str. -135 Parlay

It's hard to tell without seeing the opposing teams but yea thats because Pinnacle has a 10c line for their ML baseball up to a certain amount. They graduate with the disparity of teams so its hard to tell whats going on but parlays will always be their full juice rate.

Originally Posted by Bill Dozer

They could have rolled it out better. I havent seen anyone who wanted in and out in April that has been burned by it. As we can see from the thread, exceptions are being made for at least some players who said they werent aware.

So you haven't read Real1992's posts then?

Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick

I will expose another thing that most people on this board have no idea that Pinnacle does. When you make a parlay on ANY sport the line is adjusted against you no matter which side you play in the parlay. Anyone with an account there can see this by going to straight lines on any sport and making a notation of the numbers, then to go Parlay and see the difference. They are clipping you good on this one.

But hey, they are a low juice book so it is OK.

That's because reduced juice is only for straight bets, that is not uncommon. And their 16-cent parlay lines are still better than the 20-cent standard.

Originally Posted by Bill Dozer

It's hard to tell without seeing the opposing teams but yea thats because Pinnacle has a 10c line for their ML baseball up to a certain amount. They graduate with the disparity of teams so its hard to tell whats going on but parlays will always be their full juice rate.

BOTH teams lines are worse than the straight lines. I am sure you can check for yourself, but this is what it is. Not only BB lines.