1-vice

Originally Posted by bostonboss

hope your surgery went well captrobey need work on my knee have had 6 surgeries on it and need another..going to wait til after the summer though....as far as bet phoenix/bet mania I think there are a lot of Indians who think they are chiefs there...if you deal with people at the top they do well customer service wise and they do pay....but rebate wager is my number 1 book as well.....

Yea i was rear ended by a young guy on I-76 by Boathouse Row last June. Been going in for neck,lower back, and then my Left Arm. I qualified for the Barbados trip at end of May so i figured if i get it done now the therapy should be complete right before the trip.

The thing that really infuriated me at Betmania though is they admitted to doing wrong and he had no right to do what he did. But yet they did NOTHING to at least meet me halfway. Someone there that is an employee promised me $5000 limits if i deposit. So Ok why not say we will put you at $2000 or so since They were the ones that screwed up. Then the guy tries calling me again from there months later like i would not remember him i guess. BB this was not a 1 -time thing . For over a year they called me over and over asking me what it would take to get me to deposit. I told them the same thing over and over , Higher Limits. I guess when someone gives me their word i expect them to be honest enough to keep it. When you deposit with a rollover to complete it is not right when a book limits you like that. Maybe you are right this guy did it on his own without management knowing. But $250 after one bet is still a major shitty thing to do after an agreement was made.

I just do not want that again to happen here at 1-vice if i deposit.

I hear you....

Originally Posted by captrobey

Got contacted by a guy named Paul. Promised me $3000 limits and i would not get limited while i am completing a rollover. Bonuses look good . But have not seen too much on these guys since 2012 . Has anyone else dealt with them more recently then 2012 ? From the older threads seems like they pay but did limit a few people.

good to know that is amazing they will let you bet that high during rollover. Did you ask how much you can bet with the freeplay itself?? I've always had $50 bet limits with freeplay never had one over $200 but If you're looking for a dime freeplay , ask them that and report back i'm very curious to know that.

Originally Posted by Redondo

good to know that is amazing they will let you bet that high during rollover. Did you ask how much you can bet with the freeplay itself?? I've always had $50 bet limits with freeplay never had one over $200 but If you're looking for a dime freeplay , ask them that and report back i'm very curious to know that.

Great point i never even thought of asking that Red .I will ask and let you know.

Originally Posted by Redondo

good to know that is amazing they will let you bet that high during rollover. Did you ask how much you can bet with the freeplay itself?? I've always had $50 bet limits with freeplay never had one over $200 but If you're looking for a dime freeplay , ask them that and report back i'm very curious to know that.

He said it would be the same as what my regular Limits are. So if i deposit $500 and get a $500 FP i would be able to bet the whole thing.

yeah that's a hell of a deal, I'm out of the game for awhile now, I bet on okc/sac over 202 the other night and it ended at 199, thing that sucked is there was 107 at half 162 after 3 quaters and i can't get 40 points in the fourth. (bet a dime on it)

Originally Posted by Redondo

yeah that's a hell of a deal, I'm out of the game for awhile now, I bet on okc/sac over 202 the other night and it ended at 199, thing that sucked is there was 107 at half 162 after 3 quaters and i can't get 40 points in the fourth. (bet a dime on it)

Sounds like the run of losses i have been getting

it will turn around

Originally Posted by bostonboss

it will turn around

In hope so it has been really a nightmare.I finally had a nice win the other day when at first i thought it was a definite win. Had Jazz at -3.5 and they were up 10 with 2:40 to go. Next thing you know they are up 2 with like 1 second left and they get fouled. I was thinking watch this, he will make the first and miss the second FT making me lose by Half a point. But he made both . I would not say it was a miracle win but i thought that would get me out of this slump.

Spot on

Originally Posted by Winner_13

Billy- what does APEX have to do with 1VICE?

Originally Posted by Jnas

1Vice isn't even part of RDG anymore but I guess around here guilty by association ?

I stand corrected. Looks like they moved out about 2 months ago. We need to speak with them and update their listing on SBR. I can see they are on another platform and server with many other PPH sites. We will inquire about their affiliation with the provider.

Originally Posted by bostonboss

what did I post that is inaccurate? I have a few people I respect on here and chat too.....the rest I don't really care about...but like aortega said some people treat what sbr says as gold....fact is 1 vice is a good rec book...nothing special nothing bad...for bill to bring up apex is absurd..there is no connection there...but there is never any talk of the sponsor books and their shady doings/stiffings and if there is it gets deleted. I think people want to hear all the FACTS and not just bs through rose colored glasses...therefore captobey was inquiring about 1 vice I say go for it..and don't let bill's scare tactics scare you off. now ive got to make my wagers and get back to work. people do your homework..and do your own research.

Its not absurd. The poster above was the owner of Apex, now using a new name. We arent talking about a bet dispute you disagree with, but a couple hundred thousand in balances that disappeared overnight. Unfortunately most players who were stiffed weren't able to be found. Those who stuck around in forum land got a settlement including one that popped up in 2011. The Apex books are off the blacklist but I agree with you, the players should know the facts.

I think he learned a lot after the sharp players sunk Apex. He is a good marketer who built up customer lists before Bet33. He knows who posters are and keeps them happy which is well worth it. Unfortunately we know that isn't good for the board. The last thing we reported on APEX was his BetJambo using fake SBR Rating accolades which has since been replaced by his own rating site's approval.

SBR always said ratings are only a "guideline" and not meant to provide any proof in regards to a books solvency. They cited it enough when BetIslands went bankrupt losing hundreds of thousands of dollars from SBR posters. So the "guideline" says that 1 vice a D Book yet have no payout complaints within the last 3 years, tons of p2p payout reports from posters across North America and the world as well as tons of contest winnings paid out across other sports betting forums.

There's a reason you can't even type 1 vice at SBR without having it blocked out. They say it's because they don't want it spam advertised but what it really means is they have no AFFILIATE relationship with the book and aren't making any KICKBACKS off poster signups and LOSSES. If a sportsbook doesn't pay out that affiliate ransom money to SBR it's automatically an "untrustworthy" book and they will dredge up whatever scum off the bottom of the pond to smear its repuation until they pay up (SEE WAGERWEB).

Good Story for anyone who hasnt been here long enough to use the search feature. We censor spammers who have people on their sales team work the board and PM users. Vice will likely get a fresh start here after we communicate again.

But you are correct SBR's primary tool is the logs and info for the player. Don't take one person's opinion. Read about the books that have failed in the past, the quotes of the players who were stiffed or about the payment plans etc.

Vice hasn't had a payout complaint and players seem to be happy so far. Thats good. Concerns are as of January, TMK, they didnt own an asset contributing to their business. No office, no servers, no website, no daily staff, no computers. They were a white label copy of Bet33. Now what is their situation? Who are the leaning on? Or did they get bought out and decide to buy this office? We dont know. Hopefully we can talk about some new positive things. But reality is they are a new, small book that plugged into a new provider. Paying "posters all over the world" and spending marketing on them just means posters are happy.

Yes no doubt 1 vice will get a fair rating IF they PAY UP via an affiliate agreement or with advertising. Why should whether they have their own staff, office, services, website or computers matter? Did it make any difference in Betislands case? I'm sure Betislands had fantastic offices and friendly staff yet still STIFFED SBR posters nonetheless. You can also list all the other "highly rated" books like Legends, The Greek, Cascade that all went broke over the years screwing players. Did the ratings guide making them A books any difference then? So why should it now?

Give me a PPH shop that actually PAYS 100/100 then a fancy operating screwing players by stealing their money. I mean it's crazy that SBR provides higher ratings for other books than 1vice but offers no further evidence of fiscal stability yet they are somehow less suspect. a book like "looselines" is really more stable? Based on what? So just stop, the ratings literally mean nothing if they are merely a "guideline" and SBR doesn't stand by them in any fashion.

I would also rather a book spend money on its actual customers making them happy through bonus/expediant withdrawals then paying huge fees to big affiliate portals (like SBR/Covers etc.) and then shutting down like any number of "respectable" books that SBR has rated highly over the years. Isn't player experience a large part of how ratings are determined anyway? I mean we "vote" for A rated books. I'm glad SBR can steer players past all the "poorly rated" books like 1-vice, Americas bookie, HR-wager, Hollywood and into more "safe/highly rated" operations that SBR happens to have an AFFILIATE relationship with. SBR is simply an Affiliate PORTAL masquerading as a "sportsbook guide" when they won't even stand by the guide ratings themselves.

BILLY Enough with the defensive responses, everyone here is tired of listening to the same old song and dance from YOU. By the looks of it, time is what really has proved to many SBR posters that V I C E is a great place to be playing. When you start spewing garbage about thousand of dollars in balances being lost, why don't you start with the fiasco that YOU and SBR initiated by WORSHIPPIN BETISLANDS (Funny how I can still type that name in sequence and it not mysteriously disappear). SBR is a place for players to connect. SBR went wrong when it started telling players where to play. WE can decide where we want to play on our own. stop insulting our intelligence and start making this a place to talk sports.