It isn't hard. You should see pro VP players who play two machines at once in the casinos. They go for hours with no break and they actually have to both think ( the incredibly simplistic strategy of the game in question here coupled with some autoholding makes it uniquely fast really ) and turn their heads while doing it. This was a piece of cake for someone grinding out a living.
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of course u hear a diffrent tone wvu. 5dimes is a cash cow for sbr!! Justin7 were is the vid regaurding this??
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#1. There are shills in this threadIt isn't hard. You should see pro VP players who play two machines at once in the casinos. They go for hours with no break and they actually have to both think ( the incredibly simplistic strategy of the game in question here coupled with some autoholding makes it uniquely fast really ) and turn their heads while doing it. This was a piece of cake for someone grinding out a living.
#2. SBR cant win here
#3. Tony is NOT taking a 14 dime hit...you can bet your life on that
#4. End result? Player dosent get a penny...5dimes remains A+
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It isn't hard. You should see pro VP players who play two machines at once in the casinos. They go for hours with no break and they actually have to both think ( the incredibly simplistic strategy of the game in question here coupled with some autoholding makes it uniquely fast really ) and turn their heads while doing it. This was a piece of cake for someone grinding out a living.
this are words of reason. and you can add other break patterns to it...Actually, if three breaks were in fact 491.3 seconds (and one 491.4), this pretty much does prove the use of a bot. To toss this off as a coincidence is to purposely ignore the evidence, or have a complete lack of understanding of math and probability. Any objective person should be able to see this.
Frankly, it doesn't matter to me if 5dimes pays this guy or not, heck I hope they do. But its pretty clear that a bot was used, so they shouldn't HAVE to pay.
For me - this is good enough to prove BOT use ... rules is rules.The first day they go 491.3/491.3/491.3/491.5/491.4/272.7/254.2/2hr 15 min.
The next day they go 264.4/500.5/500.3/500.2/500.3/ 4hr 12 min.
The whole irony of this is the exposing. IMO it dosent matter how the online casino game was beat. Tony making the statement "people that dont use a bot lose" is the same as admitting "our online games are fixed."
So Tony has these fixed online casino games raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars yearly. One day someone comes along and stings his fixed casino game. Its actually great to witness something like this. Sad thing is people will continue to play the online games donating their money to these managers.
The thing that will be interesting to watch is how this will unfold in regards to SBR's rating of 5dimes. If SBR backs a operation that admits to having fixed online casino games where will people turn?
I actually had a dispute years ago with Intertops and I asked SBR to intervine. I was taken care of within 2 days by Intertops. My dispute was for $500 though. This situation is bad news. Trust if it was for a minimal amount SBR could side with the player quick. They could even pay the debt themselves letting Tony know they handled it and to keep the % checks rolling in.
Nobody is quick to pay out 14dimes. 5dimes aint paying out 14dimes. SBR is not paying out 14dimes.
End of story
"people that dont use a bot lose"For me - this is good enough to prove BOT use ... rules is rules.
^^Why is that 'rule' not posted on the front page of their website?
Maybe 491 seconds is a lucky number for him. Maybe it was superstition, or maybe he was winning with that amount of break and figured that was the best way to beat the game. It really makes me mad, even if he was using a bot. Players usually have no chance to win in an online casino, Tony knows that. That's why if somebody happens to win he knows it must have been a bot.
Having started looking at the logs, the breaks are a definite anomaly. So far, I've got 491.3, 491.3, 491.3, 491.5 and 491.5.
On this evidence, I have to say I think this suggests a badly-programmed 'bot, assuming the logs are correct and have not been doctored by 5Dimes to make this case. Does the player have an explanation? The liklehood of these breaks being human is zero in my opinion.
They're still fundamentally at fault, and totally incompetent, for offering such an idiotic game, and the chat transcript demonstrates a deplorable attitude. They should not offer such wildly +EV games to encourage 'bot use, then bury a "no bot" rule in the terms. It's smacks of freerolling on the players. I'm also sure the player had no idea bots weren't allowed, otherwise why waste the time on a hiding to nothing?
Assuming I'm right and this demonstrates 'bot use, I think they should make good in some way on this.
Tony buried himself in my eyes when I read the chat transcriptHaving started looking at the logs, the breaks are a definite anomaly. So far, I've got 491.3, 491.3, 491.3, 491.5 and 491.5.
On this evidence, I have to say I think this suggests a badly-programmed 'bot, assuming the logs are correct and have not been doctored by 5Dimes to make this case. Does the player have an explanation? The liklehood of these breaks being human is zero in my opinion.
They're still fundamentally at fault, and totally incompetent, for offering such an idiotic game, and the chat transcript demonstrates a deplorable attitude. They should not offer such wildly +EV games to encourage 'bot use, then bury a "no bot" rule in the terms. It's smacks of freerolling on the players. I'm also sure the player had no idea bots weren't allowed, otherwise why waste the time on a hiding to nothing?
Assuming I'm right and this demonstrates 'bot use, I think they should make good in some way on this.
Evidence is very strong a Bot was used, perhaps even conclusive (not sure). Other than speed of play, did the Bot give him an added advantage---No. How hard is Tony looking for players that used a Bot and lost? It's his own fault for offering such a lucrative game.
If you play any game long enough you will loose eventually...Maybe 491 seconds is a lucky number for him. Maybe it was superstition, or maybe he was winning with that amount of break and figured that was the best way to beat the game. It really makes me mad, even if he was using a bot. Players usually have no chance to win in an online casino, Tony knows that. That's why if somebody happens to win he knows it must have been a bot.
The longer you play the closer you get to the EV, whether that is negative or positive... unless the casino is cheating or the program is malfunctioning.
When Tony said that people who don't use bots lose at that game, I think what he meant was that only someone using a bot would be able to employ the proper strategy. This pretty much shows that he doesn't know jack shit about VP, because he clearly didn't realize the massive player edge nor the relatively simple optimal strategy (and the free websites which calculate the strategy for you). It doesn't mean he thinks a bot can overcome a -EV or rigged game. More likely, it means that:
1. his records show that most clowns who play the game play it so badly that they don't win
2. Tony doesn't know enough about VP to figure out the optimal strategy
3. Tony doesn't know enough about VP to determine the house edge (player edge in this case)
I would not take that as an admission of cheating or wrongdoing on the part of 5Dimes. Also, it would be completely ridiculous for him to make that comment if he did indeed mean that the game was somehow rigged. He would never make such a comment. He clearly meant something else.
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