Ten big time athletes who are horrible tippers

Originally Posted by artofaggression

Tipping is so much an American customary thing than so in other countries. why tip someone for DOING theyre job. We seem to think that these direct-service jobs require a tip. Go to Europe where tipping is quite foreign. I cant believe that if I go to Ponderosa that I not only have to pay for my meal but the employee's salary as well cuz if I dont tip them they make $2.38/hr and they will give you horrible service the next time around.

Art I agree with all of your posts so much I thought you were my ghost for a minute

Originally Posted by artofaggression

Thats not my fault. This is same country that doesnt see my health care and education as universal rights as the other 314 countries in world; I have to pay to be healthy and pay to be educated....and now I have to pay for a person that took employment-at-will to work for pennies an hour? Restaurants are at fault -- they let fat assholes eat all they wanna and offset that by lowballing employees. Raise prices of meals then. Look what just happened at IHOP - that grimey waitress stole $200 tip. If it aint enough money, quit. i tip bcI want to, not because I need to.

If everyone just did what they want or felt was right instead of following laws and social norms the world would be more fukked up than it already is

Tipping is normal in America....Love it or hate it

Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg

If everyone just did what they want or felt was right instead of following laws and social norms the world would be more fukked up than it already is

Tipping is normal in America....Love it or hate it

It is also a norm in some countries stoning women that had sex outside marrieage to death...I am sure thats also something to follow in the future right?

Good point. Or in Germany, its a social norm to make scheisse videos....we dont want that to become the MO do we?

Originally Posted by Burkina2008

It is also a norm in some countries stoning women that had sex outside marrieage to death...I am sure thats also something to follow in the future right?

Horrible comparison.....You don't like tipping while in America? Then don't...you're just being a cheap fukk, saving a few bucks and denying workers their wages....Is what it is

Reflects poorly on you, but hey if you don't care then that's your prerogative

I agree that the restaurants and other establishments should be paying them more money but that's not how the system is currently set up

Not tipping isnt denying anyone anything; its opting not to tip. If I fail to leave a tip its not an indictment on my character. Ive already paid for the meal, why should I have to pay something akin to the waitress' wages? Fukkin cheap-a$$ corporate fat cats undercutting these employees and they willfully opt to work there. No one forced them to work for next to nothing. That right there is not a social norm.

Tips have been always a pet peeve of mine. It is not because I am cheap, I agree on tipping as an appreciation gift for an extraordinary service. But now it is more like an expected extra cost for a merely passable service. It is so expected that it is already distributed to the rest of the staff and taxed BEFORE it is done.

In Japan tips are prohibited, and they are regarded as one of the best services on the world. USA has the highest tip rate of any country and the service is usually good, but not great. So much for the "better tips mean better service". In reality, a higher tips business means a lower base salary for the worker. If tipping were prohibited, the employer would be forced to increase the wages, and of course increase the price of the items. As 99% of business, using "one full price" without extra charges for the standard service.

Tips are underreported often, stiffing taxes and retirement plans. And in many countries is hard to get business expenses refunds on tips. Sales taxes are also stiffed, as the prices are artificially low, meaning lower taxable amount.

From a debate I read:

Tipping is absolutely an arbitrary practice. The practice of tipping simply allows the employer to shirk on the responsibility of paying the worker a living wage. Tipping is the practice of playing the worker and the consumer against each other to the benefit of the employer. This is what the employer gets: he gets to advertise an artificially low price, and he gets to pay his workers a low wage, keeping more profit for himself, because the consumers will pay the worker for him.

This is a flawed system. In an ideal system we would simply have one price where all services and employees wages are built into that price. In fact we do have that "one price" in 99% of the services and products sold in our society. It is only in a specific few that the "one price" method becomes unworkable.

Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg

Horrible comparison.....You don't like tipping while in America? Then don't...you're just being a cheap fukk, saving a few bucks and denying workers their wages....Is what it is

Reflects poorly on you, but hey if you don't care then that's your prerogative

I agree that the restaurants and other establishments should be paying them more money but that's not how the system is currently set up

Dude when I am in the US I do tip but it an absurd thing because you are not responsible for paying for other peoples salary unless u are employing them. Do you tip the police officer who gives u a ticket for doing his job? Do you tip the guy in ur office who is in charge of marketing? No

Tipping is a dumb practice like many things in the US.
16 you can drive and go to jail but you can only drink at 21...this is another one that makes perfect sense...
Or the ridiculous speed limits on US highways
Or the fact that you really dont care about universal healthcare and Social Security, because it would mean paying more "taxes", but you think you should take care of people serving you food...

Originally Posted by Burkina2008

Tipping is a non-sense...
You go a restaurant in Europe ask for a steak and a bier and you pay what it says on the Menu: 20 euros stake + 4 for the bier, u end up rounding to 25, so u tip 1 euro

You go to the US, the menu says Stake 20$ and Bier 4$, then comes the check and instead of 24$, u see tax of 3$ + 5$ of service/tip..its just retarded...

The truth is he is right, we are just conditioned to do it and forced to because then wages of the servers factor our tip into the pay scale. If we don't tip because of the corrupt system in place we are screwing the little guy.

Originally Posted by byronbb

I tried tipping at a club in Europe and the guy was almost insulted.

LOL in non tourist areas that happened to me a couple times as well. Tourist areas they are usually ok with it.

Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg

Either tip or don't go out to eat.....blame the system but don't take it out on the workers.....people that work for tips make 20 bucks a shift literally without tips

I agree we absolutely have to tip. They set up. A system that makes us the bad guy if we don't.

Originally Posted by Burkina2008

Dude when I am in the US I do tip but it an absurd thing because you are not responsible for paying for other peoples salary unless u are employing them. Do you tip the police officer who gives u a ticket for doing his job? Do you tip the guy in ur office who is in charge of marketing? No

Tipping is a dumb practice like many things in the US.
16 you can drive and go to jail but you can only drink at 21...this is another one that makes perfect sense...
Or the ridiculous speed limits on US highways
Or the fact that you really dont care about universal healthcare and Social Security, because it would mean paying more "taxes", but you think you should take care of people serving you food...

I agree but if we didn't have to tip I'm sure restaurants and other service places where you normally tip would just charge more to make up for the higher wages.....Also I really don't mind people working harder for better tips

Lots of fukked up shit in this country but I really don't mind tipping people when they did a job well done.....Don't even really think twice about it

Originally Posted by artofaggression

Not tipping isnt denying anyone anything; its opting not to tip. If I fail to leave a tip its not an indictment on my character. Ive already paid for the meal, why should I have to pay something akin to the waitress' wages? Fukkin cheap-a$$ corporate fat cats undercutting these employees and they willfully opt to work there. No one forced them to work for next to nothing. That right there is not a social norm.

If everyone had your attitude and no one tipped you would get dumb fukks that work at Taco Bell serving you your filet mignon.....when I go out to eat I want someone that knows what they're doing and gives effort to serve my table the right way....I don't mind paying a little extra for someone that makes my experience more relaxing and enjoyable

Going out to eat is meal+tip, you should understand that going in....would you feel better if they jacked up the prices on the menu and you didn't have to tip? Either way you're paying for it

I tip 20% at Chinese all you can eat buffets. The girls there love it.

As mentioned earlier, some grubby IHOP waitress just "received" a $200 tip from a customer. The circumstances are dubious, but shiiiiiit -- I aint making no $200 in gratuities a day, and the job I hold is adjudicating ppl's claims to large retroactive payouts. So last week I actually discovered this employee was underpaid $51,000 over the last five years...so I contacted employee and informed her shes owed this money and she will receive it as a lump-sum payout next pay check. You think I expected or received a tip? Well wish in one hand, shit in the other. I got a wow thank you youre so efficient, kind, blah blah blah. And thats fine by me.

Like Burkina said, were facilitating these restaurants to skim paying going rates for labor. And in turn these "poor underpaid waitresses" who are forced by gunpoint to work these jobs, conveniently fail to report their tips accordingly. Thats tax fraud, folks. Theyre just as grimey and scuzzy as restaurant execs. And when or if I tip the BJ dealer at the casino here nearby, dont think I dont know floormen and pitboss arent keeping 90% of the tip. AND even with the preponderence of said tip being ganked, BJ dealers (with reduced tip) make $20/25 an hour if not more. Everybody is greedy, yo.

Yes, JACK UP the prices for food like society has done for gas, health care and so on -- that way the waitress would be properly compensated and would be held accountable for their service. Then I dont have to worry about whether they pissed in the coffee cuz I didnt tip them last time. So the level of service is contingent on whether we tip or are seen as a potential good tip? Greedy fukks want something for nothing.

USA is as fukked-up as they come when it comes to its customary standards.

Originally Posted by Burkina2008

Dude when I am in the US I do tip but it an absurd thing because you are not responsible for paying for other peoples salary unless u are employing them. Do you tip the police officer who gives u a ticket for doing his job? Do you tip the guy in ur office who is in charge of marketing? No

Tipping is a dumb practice like many things in the US.
16 you can drive and go to jail but you can only drink at 21...this is another one that makes perfect sense...
Or the ridiculous speed limits on US highways
Or the fact that you really dont care about universal healthcare and Social Security, because it would mean paying more "taxes", but you think you should take care of people serving you food...

Burkina you have a fan here. May I ask where youre from? I spent a while in Europe and saw these same hypocracies as well....

To let a 16 yr-old drive a car and they cant vote or legally drink (tho do it anyway) is absurd. I know less 16 yr-olds who steal cars and drive underage than I do who drink AND drive. And the texting think is even scarrier...

USA is crazy....but God Bless America, right?

Originally Posted by Da Manster!

this is the very reason why a lot of establishments automatically include the gratuity and/or tip on top of the bill....especially in large parties of like 8 or more...usually it's around 18%....It disgusts me that these black athletes are cheap like this...it just reinforces the stereotype of African Americans being bad tippers...I'm old school and I sincerely believe that if you can't afford to give a decent tip like 20 - 30% (what I usually do) then you shouldn't go out eating in the first place!......furthermore, a restaurant should reserve the right to refuse service to known bad tippers but then again we all know what kind of issues that would create...Conversely, look at a high class athlete like Peyton Manning doing the right thing!...even after the gratuity was added on!.......he gave an additional 30% on top of the 18%!...total tip = 48%!...now that's a little excessive and too generous but it sure as hell is better than being a total cheap ass!

It is really irritating,when you think about it. Most of us give good tips im assuming,and were just working men.